Marlim sill waiting to get to know how many cadets expect to graduate from your bach. It is a fast paced training then why is the entrance exam so simple that anyone can qualify. My friend tells me that the entrance to Alpha is a cake walk and does not reflect in any way the intense training one is put through. So, I am curious to know how many cadets will eventualy reach the final stage after investing huge amount of money.

Base Training
 

Ok guys...Finally...The great news...Base Training has started...more news to come hopefully end of next week :ok:

I would probably post again when I have the License in-hand ;)

Go malirm go!

Don't forget us!!

Marlim still waiting to know how many cadets expect to graduate from your batch. What is the success ratio? How many drop out at ground school and how many are removed at a later stage after investing huge amount of money. You can throw some light on the outcome of cadets from batch first and second. Your answer will help many future cadets to make their mind before joining Alpha.

@ malirm.

How is it that you are not able to get your pass ? :uhoh:

Replies
 

@ Aakhan,

I would rather contact Alpha for such questions, as I don't really know about what's happening between batches in ground school...as far as my batch is concerned, all 100% signed the contracts with Air Arabia & are doing our final stage of MPL (Base Training), please research about the MPL/CPL differences...you can browse my previous posts instead of waiting :ok:

@ Captain.Weired,

Thanks... ;)

More Good News to come for next week, 4 of us are done already...5 to go, I guess it'll take 2 more weeks ;)

I too think Malirm is misleading the innocent future cadets. Maybe he has been assured employment with Air Arabia. According to your previous posts you have mentioned that you joined in the second batch which started with 6 cadets and ended up with 2 as others failed to keep up. Is this good success ratio. You havent completed your training in these years which Alpha claim is completed in just eighteen months.

@ LOLO
 

I understand all of that Granpa, but please don't even talk about AAA of Sharjah, you DON'T Know anything in there, flight line will be closed in Sharjah not because of GCAA, its because of the Airport, the airport is busy & is only less than 20 NM away from Dubai, this makes it really hard for the guys to fly without getting stressed & let almost over a Dozen to fly per day...etc. I can tell you that it is really CROWDED out there the smallest Jet is an A320 in the skies of UAE almost 90% of the time, you've got A330s, 340s, 380s, 777s & 737s flying all around the small Dubai Airspace !

The Flying was shifted to Australia, with AAPA in Wagga, already some cadets came back for MCC from there while others have left to Wagga, Batch 1 is doing the base training, while batch 2 & 3 are in the Type Rating...Another Batch is starting in Jan, I have spent 2.5 years being told I will be done in 12 months, where does that put me...don't just take revenge from AAA UAE because of AAG Philippines !

Now, please tell me, what is the hidden 99%...please tell me...delays (Aviation is full of delays...starting with Aircraft manufacturers ;) )?

Guys, it is your soul decision to join or not join AAG, please wait for a couple of Batches to Graduate & work before you join...check the product at the end of the line...then decide

@ aakhan
 

We started with 6, 1 has left to join later after struggling to shift his house & study in the same time, 1 have had difficulties with the ground school (but was done after 9 months), 1 have had Financial troubles as he suddenly (his family) lost all of their money somewhere, 2 have joined late & had to spend 7 more weeks to cover what the 2 of us had to cover (more ground school subjects).

Batch One were done in Oct 2009 from Ground School, we (the 2) were done from Ground School in Jan 2011, 7 of the 9 in Batch One accepted to fly in Clark, this made Alpha to come & ask us (batch 2) to cover the 2 empty slots, accordingly we became batch 1, while the other guys became batch 2 ;)

You guys should contact guys from the other batches...there's a big difference between the guy watching the match on TV & the guys who are PLAYING the match...

Malirm you are doing an excellent job in supporting Alpha all the way. According to your earlier posts your batch of six was reduced to two as others failed to keep up. Now you are covering up by giving frivilous reasons. The ground school modules are same for everyone so why will you do extra subjects, everyone would make full financial arrangements before starting the training and nor would one shift house in the middle of their training. The reason is simple Alpha has got rid of them. Come out with facts and be honest. What is the success ratio.

@ aakhan
 

It seems that whatever I say, it doesn't matter, anyways, I'll see where it'll go with you :confused: whether you like what I'm saying or not...I myself was going to dropout because of shifting problems too...Finally I found a house in Ajman, rented it for 12 months, but used it for 6 months only, then I had to leave to the Philippines & loose the other 6 months rent costs...about 2500 USD !!! would you like me to swear on alpha? I spent 3 months waiting for my MCC training...would you like me to swear on the GCAA? and another 3 months for the Type Rating...and now for another 4 months for the 12 Take Offs & Landings...would you like me to Cry...REPUTATION is what pays me back, not nagging & Swearing...;)

Here you go, the ground school is similar for everyone 6 to 7 months & maybe more if you Have Ramadan, Eid & other National Holidays, here's the explanation :ok: :

You Have 3 Modules in the Ground School called Module 1, Module 2 & Module 3 and it doesn't matter whether you start with Module 1 or Module 2 or Module 3:

In order to keep the batches running, my Batch started with Module 1 (we were 4, then became 2 in less than a week from the start date), while the new joiners have joined us in Module 2 (Another 2 Guys), so for Batch 2A (me & my friend) Module 1 & 2 were done, and we have module 3 left...while Batch 2B (done with Mod 2 & 3) had Module 1 to go :ok: so, they had to spend about 2.5 months in ground school & so on for the other Batches, this then changed I guess from batch 5, where there is no intersections/overlapping between batches...unless if some people had failed in the Module...they had to join the new comers again...etc.

As far as I can tell you "aakhan", you can ask Alpha or GCAA for clear number of "Success Ratios" (by law they must be truthful) as most of the dropouts happen in the ground school & I don't have a track of that, plus, the fact that some batches have merged...etc. but for the Batches that I know 1, 2 & 3 (probably some of the 4)...1 is 100% success, 2 until the moment is 100% success & 3 had only one who have dropped out from the core flying as I heard he had some difficulties...he started good, then nobody knows what happened...as far as I heard, he was unsafe to go solo...I don't know if the Psycho-motor test would have shown it :confused: he had the skills, but...Solo phobic...I don't want to judge or give a bad impression about him, if he's reading...let him answer by himself !

At the end of the day aakhan, if you have the Numbers...let me know...it is none of my business to support any side, as far as I see it, AAG have screwed up in a lots of places at the beginning...I confess that batch 1 was like Lab Rat/Mouse, but would I regret it?...would you regret it ?

To all
 

I have been reading this thread; more like an 'overlord' but with a secret hope of finding my own salvation...

From what I see, read, hear & asked...and BTW that includes, AAAirline, AAAcademy, GCAA & a two of the major AAAAirlines here (sorry had to add the 'AAA' because every other word had it)....I have come to the conclusion that has been said many times before, here on this site & in life.... DECIDE FOR YOURSELF!

MPL is new, new is risky
PPL/CPL is old, old is not fast, not fast is risky (except on the roads)
AAAirline is an LCC, LLC(s) are risky
AAG is at the end of the day a business, money making is risky
PPRuNE is a rumour network, rumours are risky
.... I think you get the point...

Basically, at the end of the day it all boils down to the RISK you want to take in life & how much will you put on the line for it. So the least risky options are, in order of ascending RISK level:

//1// Keep the job you have & just get a PPL to satisfy the pigeon inside you
//2// If you are young, go get a degree in something you fancy & make your parents proud (and broke)
//3// Wait for initial batches to complete their 80 sectors & see what happens to them & the following batches
//4// GO FOR IT, but DON’T think twice (saves you some neurons for studying)
//5// Jump off a cliff & flap your arms hoping you can fly, no PPL/CPL/MPL & brains required for this, BUT do take a parachute & safety gear & a BASE jumping licence or else it will surely end up in your soul flying up to the heavens. Oh and BTW do not try this at home; apart from the safety factor, YOU DON’T HAVE A CLIFF AT HOME (unless you are Tarzan).

Anyhow, weird literature aside, do your research PROPERLY & decide for yourself. Reading this site is considered research, but bickering on it is NOT. Visit the school, the GCAA & if possible the airlines & ask questions.

Best of luck to us all… we need it…. right after the money ;)

@ Risk
 

I 2nd say what he said...Specially the WAIT part :)

The bigger question.
 

A GCAA inital license is not worth 5 dhs like alone 500,000 or whatever the final figure is now for alpha. This stands be it ppl/cpl/mpl.

Anyone who has a serious interest in flying for food should take there monies to a reputable school which has not only graduated students but got them into full time paid employment as well.

Marlim and the rest are now pot comitted and have no choice but to stick with alpha and the route it takes them.

The real question however is not will these unfortunate few get into AA before the retirement age but will they be able to comtinue a career from there. One would assume flying through the night into third world countries is not where they want to spend the rest of there years.

@malirm

go back to post 21.....was I right ??

:ok:

:D
 

@ Duboy

Great Answer...Keep in mind, these 3rd world Countries are now richer than any EU or North American Countries you can think of (Hence, it's GCAAs), don't you ever speak about this, they call it Respect...Being committed is the part of the deal my dear, I Got a Job before I even graduate...:ok:

@ Masif

You are Totally Wrong...MPLers are Falcons ;) but thanks for keeping up :)

Happy New Year Guys...enjoy it...As I & my colleagues will do :ok:

Duboy & Masif...I understand your views...all the PPRuNers do need it as much as I do...please, if you have intel/info that can screw me or proof me otherwise...or help the other guys, please go ahead...

I will be leaving this Thread in 2 weeks time for a long long time... TC :oh:

Sure Malirm you will get employment with Air Arabria before you graduate after all you have put in a lot of energy in supporting Alpha. Good job you have done for Alpha. By the way what was the final figure you ended up paying Alpha? I am sure you will not tell the truth? A friend cadet from Alpha tells me that you pay Dh5000 for every subject you resit at ground school. A lot of fee is added as you go along. If a cadet is thrown at ground school then the loss is Dh 150,000 or more, if you are thrown at core flying stage you have lost Dh300,000 or more and if you are thrown at the final stage God alone help you because Alpha would have got all their money from you and then they dont care.

I agree with Taras B. I too would like to see the aviation community boycott the Alpha Aviation Group at Sharjah. It is indeed a money making business and the selection exam is of a low standard so that they can get the required number of cadets to fill up their seats and then once you are inside you are like a hostage. Fees are added on, cadets are removed in the name of keeping to their high standards and the cadets are made to sign one sided contracts which go in favour of Alpha.

@ Taras B
 

Serious Information to be honest, go now & check Horizon Flight Academy, Fujairah Flight School & Emirates Flying School by contacting GCAA, then come back here...(I DO NOT Imply that these flight schools have any problems...but since you want a bycott thingy...lets do you the fair way ;) )

The information I was given for closing down the flight line was for the favor of having more flights (congested skies) & the time reduction for the period of core flying (2 months instead of 5 or 6 months)...which sounds nice to the public, unfortunately...I hear something else now...Thanks Taras B, I hope AAG can proof otherwise :)

Aakhan, you are right about money making, but I guess that all Universities & Schools should also be fair & let me pass in the tests & exams, specially in getting my Masters in Physics !...because I am paying...:ok:

Aakhan, you are Right in asking for a Stronger/Higher selection criteria... I was around the Academy last week, I asked about the Selection process, they were using COMPASS as a part of the Selection process, we had Pilapt at our times...I don't know of it had become easier or Harder...never did a COMPASS test...but since AAG has people dropping out...they must make their analysis & accordingly improve the selection process...

Waiting for more info before I Graduate... :ok:

Malim you must be really desperate to get the Air Arabia employment thus you have written over 200 posts in this thread in support of Alpha. Dont worry now nobody will take you seriosly though in the past you have mis lead many innocent cadets into joining Alpha. There are no negative posts about any other aviation schools in this region but Alpha. Infact they have been kind in accomodating Alpha cadets who have been thrown out

It is not a cake walk getting admittion into a good university or an aviation academy which has a good success ratio. On the otherhand the selection criteria to Alpha is a joke and any sixth standard primary school child can clear it including the compass test. The reason is clear to fill up the vacant seats and make money. Four month into the training one sided contracts are given to the cadets to be signed which go in favour of Alpha and give them the upper hand. Cadets are then left with no choice but to sign. Then the process of elimination begins in the name of high standard .

@ aakhan
 

Nicely said :ok:

Bytheway...to all of those who are desperate to know...Alpha has its first 6 Cadets Out ;) (GCAA Licenses Received) 3 more to go next week for the First Batch to Officially Graduate :)

More to come next week...:ok:

I've spoken to AAA people, Air Arabia people and I really thrust malirm on his replies and his stories. I really want to thank him!

Aakhan and the others, thank you very much for bashing this thread too! If you really want to hate and let people think that AAA is a dead group, you can have your choise and good luck with that.

- Yes AAA has to make money to stay alive
- Yes you have to pay a lot of money
- Yes you will get a qualified training
- Yes you will get your MPL license after the training
- You really have to fill in yourself your Yes of No for Air Arabia!

Air Arabia will take the cadets who got their licences and perform well. If you do your job, everything will be fine. If they need pilots they will pick up those from AAA. If all batches are flying with the airline and there are no qualified MPL cadets anymore, they will take 1500hr+ experienced FO's.

Just do your job.

If you are a bad pilot, you won't get hired by any airline, because all of them has a simulator screening. But if you perform only that day well and you get the magic YES and get the job, you will be jobless during your TR or/and Linetraining. You have to do all kind of tests..

Life has a lot of exams.. Learn that..

Malirm, please go with your news.. We are waiting for it!

Are you now with Air Arabia? Do you now have a contract?

Stop using this thread to cover up for Alpha and misleading innocent cadets into joining Alpha. At the time of intake all kind of false verbal promises are made by Alpha. You are told that the success ratio is 100% and that each and everyone will get employment. This is how Alpha fill up their vacant seats by making tall promises. Six months later the cadets are given contracts to sign when they have no choice. Then after Alpha has got their money they start slowly throwing the cadets one by one. Batches are reduced from 10 to 4 then batches are merged like just now batch 1 and 2 have been merged and given the name of batch 1. Alpha and Marlim will then go on to say success ratio for batch 1 is 100%

@ aakhan & Taras B
 

Calm down guys...more news to come...Taras B & aakhan, I am not saying that you are wrong...or...even...Right !!! Same thing applies to me !

I am talking about something I have been through, I'm not recommending Alpha or any other flight school...

Aakhan, this 100% is a reality for Batch ONE & I say it again Batch O N E ;)

Batches can change...the same way in a University or College...what is the responsibility of a batch if a guy fails in his Semester...he has to do it again :{ !

Captain.Weird, thank you :) Batch One has the contract signed with Air Arabia, YES I am with Air Arabia...to confirm it...I have an Air Arabia ID with my Picture & Name on it ;)

Guys, what I can say is, Air Arabia & other airlines in the UAE, are thirsty for Pilots...probably, if the first few batches succeed, AAG won't worry about asking or Pegging airlines to come & get cadets...(Just some analysis)...but AAG must provide better answers (no doubt) to Aakhan & Taras B, why not even solutions :ok: I hope everything will be clarified for all of us once at least 20 guys graduate & get their JOBS from AAG UAE...fingers Crossed :)

Malirm what was the final amount you ended paying Alpha. At every stage they charge extra. It must be easily more than Dh 500,000 that is if you intend to tell the truth. What is the amount you payed Air Arabia at the time of signing the contract DH 200,000 or more

@ aakhan & Taras B
 

Taras B

As Per ICAO, the MPL is restricted to the Airline until the Line Training is Over & an official letter is sent to the GCAA...nothing NEW :D

@ Aakhan

I Paid the 440,000 AED, they ended up paying me back for 3 meals a day in the Philippines plus transportation at some points & the same applied to Jordan (Intermediate & Advanced training).

I cannot speak about the Air Arabia exact amount, as I have signed a confidentiality paper as well, but I can tell you...its less than 50,000 AED :ok: that is for the Line Training ;)

More news to come in the coming few days :)

This is exactly what I would like to confirm. The slightly challenged cadets are removed and there is no question of semester repeating as mentioned by Malirm. Cadets are removed at ground school stage and others at core flying. Three cadets from my batch out of 9 have been removed and we are only at MCC stage at Alpha and I cant sleep at night because it could my turn next at MCC stage. The batch of 9 will be reduced to 3 by the time we reach line training. The entrance to Alpha is made so easy that even a sixth standard primary school child can get in. Then they fill up their seats by giving false figures like 100% success.

Aakhan, in which batch are you? I would advise you that you don't have to be scared for failing for your license. Just work hard and you will win! If you are going to f*ck yourself like this you won't make it man. Just work hard and I hope a day you will be a pilot for Air Arabia too.

But a question, if a cadet is removed from the groundschool how much does he have to pay for his 'study'?

@Malirm, come on with the news!

A cadet who is removed at ground school has payed Alpha Dh150.000 Cadets removed at core flying stage lost DH 300.OOO. My two friends at Australia were not even allowed to complete their 70 hours flying time for which they had paid. A one sided contract is given to the cadets to be signed when they are five months into their training. My request to all cadets wanting to join Alpha get hold of the contract before paying the first instalment

Excellent points everyone!
Just few more to add:
1. Just because you get into any training institute does not mean you will graduate. CPL/IR or MPL route, both will have failures and dropouts. All depends on how much hardwork one puts in.
2. From the limited experience that I have, I have seen its mostly the good ones who end up a job first!*
3. Comparing the CPL vs MPL, both have their advantages and disadvantages. With MPL you have an assessment guarantee with the partner airline. *Try getting an assessment with any airline with 200/250 hrs and a CPL/IR!!! On the other hand, MPL is expensive, type specific and has a risk of getting stuck, if not taken!

Keep working hard guys! This whole region needs tons of pilots!
Happy landings!
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Training institutes should not make you sign a contract five months into the course where by cadets do not have any rights. Should the authorities paint a rosy picture by telling them that they have 100% success ratio and no drop outs when surely that is not the case. Should entrance to Alpha made easy so that they can fill up their places. Yes it should be brought to the notice of GCAA, ICAC AND WATS 2012

Not trying protect AAA here. Other institutes might be operating differently. Totally agree that aaa should change their operation should there be a better way of doing it.
However, there is NO way to assess true abilities of a cadet beforehand. One can do several assessments to reduce the failure rates later but there is no foolproof method! Pilot training is about focus, hard work, aptitude and attitude. Loss of any of these attributes will affect training, even if one did well in the assessments. So I beg to differ on that point of yours.

Moreover, ALL schools are there to make money! Sad but true! AAA no exception.

I agree that there can be no fullproof method. Alpha has so many dropouts that shows that their selection process is faulty and made easy to fill vacant seats in Alpha. I srongly urge cadets that they should get hold of the contract before paying the first instalment.

Alpha Needs to prove a point
 

Alpha Aviation Academy has two issues to deal with...

1. they are a relatively new company, and just like any new company in the middle-east (also worldwide) they need a constant flow of students/work to survive, and

2. the MPL program is relatively new as compared to the traditional CPL/IR syllabus. So a lot of potential student pilots and their parents are hesitant to enrol into the known.

I can only imagine that the administration staff at Alpha are feeding their visitors some kind of BS about how good the program is, and regardless of the COMPASS scores, are putting "bums in seats" for the sake of AED 440 000.

If I was an Auditor looking into Alpha's recruitment methods, paperwork and history, I'm sure I would find a few students who should not have been there, but selected anyway, and who are now either struggling to make it through the course, or who are threading deep water.

Alpha is not able to get enough sudents to fill up their seats and thus to help their intake have made entrance to Alpha easy. Secondly four months into the course they make cadets sign a contract where in cadets have no rights for refund if thrown out in the middle of their training. From my batch alone three cadets have been thrown. Smart Alpha has the date of joining mentioned in the contract though it was given and signed four months into the course.

So considering that Alpha are struggling to get students, and that they have lowered their standards of assessment, I guess most of (if not all) the student candidates successfully get through the screening process. And if they don’t make it, then too bad. It’s a win-win for Alpha - they get rid of bad students, and keep the AED 440 000 anyway.

Well done Alpha, you are setting new standards in money laundering.

To safeguard themselves they make cadets sign a contract wherein the cadets have no right for any refund. Contract is issued four month into the training but the date mentioned on the the contract is the date of joining. In my batch there were two cadets who were underage (less than 18 years) who were given contracts to sign.

TarasB you sounded like an ex employee of AAG and have an axe to grind.
 

You posted only on AAG treads. Your many bad comments of AAG about Sharjah and Clark seem like you know lots about them. Calling AAG a pariah (dictionary meaning outcast) group. By saying that you not only insulted AAG but their present and past cadets. It does not sound right of you. You should be banned from posting further for spreading lies.