Taras B is right and he points undeniable facts.

If fatcadet had bothered to check PPRuNe threads since 2006 he could see for himself that the AAG/Clark Aviation saga began long before he registered as a member of this forum.

Fatcadet being a supporter of Alpha can answer why Alpha made cadets sign the contract which was given to them four month into their training but the date mentioned was the date they joined. Two cadets were underage ( less than 18 years) Alpha and their management know the thuth. Truth will prevail one day.

Fatcadet I disagree that Taras B should be banned from posting. You and other supporters of Alpha are scared to face the truth which he puts down in his posts. I think you have an axe to grind. Alpha has been singled out because there are a lot of wrong things happening out there. Cadets are made to sign a contract four months into their training when they have no choice. Then they mention the date of joining which is clearly not the case. Cadets saw the contract for the first time four month into their training. Is that fair? Taras B do continue with your posts

Where do cadets get kicked out?
 

Hey Taras B, if Alpha is taking in more cadets than Air Arabia can handle, then where are the Cadets being retrenched from the course? And what excuse does Alpha give the students for not taking them all the way through?

If it’s not only the bad students that get kicked out, I am presuming that at some point, the Management will have a chat to the student and tell them they are not good enough? So where does this happen? in the Ground School, Core Flying, MCC, or Intermediate and Advanced training?

From what I hear though, the Intermediate and Advanced training is done by Air Arabia? Or does Alpha still handle this aspect?

Alpha does not care about the retrenched cadets. No refund is made because of the contract signed four months into the training. You could be in the middle of your ground school or middlle of your core flying. A cadets friend was not allowed to resit his exams in ground school other friend was removed after 35 hours of flying time though he had payed Dh 150,000 for 80 h0urs of core flying. No refund is made. Doors of Alpha are closed for them and the money gone. It happens at all stages. I am only MCC stage and our batch of 9 has been reduced to 6.

Sorry guys, I can't reply to all of you at once, I need quiet a time, I'll find the time for that...line training needs a lots of preparation & sleep ;)

Keep on posting :ok: good or bad, more news to come from my side :cool: just don't take it personal...as it seems to be :bored:

If you are going to share your successes, by all means do, we are interested to know your progress. But to those cadets who have not shared your advantages and good luck, I ask you to please show a little respect.:ugh:

TB its not about good luck or praying or advantages... ITS ALL ABOUT HARD WORK AND STUDYING AND READING UP ON A/C SYSTEMS AND ASKING QUESTIONS TO YOUR INSTRUCTOR :ok: nothing can stop you then from becoming a very successful pilot..

Left Wing if Alpha is confident about being honest and upright then why do they have to make cadets sign contracts four months into their training? Why is the entrance exam made so easy that a primary school child can get through ? Why do they not want to refund part of the payment for the unused flying hours of my cadet friend who payed Dh 150,000 for 80 hours of core flying but was sent home after 35 hours? Did not Aipha save on gas, plane, instruction time etc but they pocketed rest of the money. Malirm remember I am still there and know exactly what is happening out there. In fact I hold you responsible for my plight because I trusted your updates. My request be honest.

Yet another cadet removed from Alpha in Australia in the core flying stage while Alpha pockets the money.

Beside all the above mentioned reasons I would like to add Alpha made underage cadets - less then 18 years to sign the contract which is against the Uae law.

By the way Alpha at Sharjah was shut down by GCAA for two months in Nov and Dec 2010.

Great Stuff Taras B :ok:

I really Appreciate it (Really) ;)

The problem is that, you are mixing stuff now, COMPASS (in a way or another) is a certified selection tool (AAA has their asses covered legally), if AAA (Sharjah) was that bankrupt, why didn't the GCAA close AAA (big Question)?

When comparing, Please get the TOTAL NUMBER of students & the TOTAL NUMBER of people screwing it up...the Majority screw it up in ground school & by LAW (GCAA), if you fail 4 times in ATPL exams...you're OUT...is it AAA's fault now, I can tell you that we have a bunch of EXPERIENCED & skilled ground instructors, who I respect & wish the best for, they made ground school fun, but there are some cadets who just DON'T CARE...:ugh:

& AAKhan, why was that ?

TARAS B, I'm not going against you, but putting the blame TOTALLY on one side is not right, it is a COMBINATION. Please check the problems with the other flight schools in the Region, I guess MPL training is becoming a Headache for FTOs

I don't know whether it was AAG's, ICAO's, GCAA's or MPL's fault, but I can assure you, they are all awake now including other concerned parties...lets hope for the best, I just want all the MPLers to live happily ever after, My colleagues & I are trying to establish a Good Benchmark for the others to improve on...again I say blaming Alpha alone for the training delays & dropouts is unfair...hope I find more time next month to catch up with you guys :cool:

Two experienced and skilled ground instructors left Alpha and joined Horizon at Al Alin because they got disgusted with Alpha. Some cadets are not allowed to sit for their third attempt well my friend was not allowed. Malirm get your facts right. I hold you responsible for my plight because I got influenced by your updates. I Know you have your own axe to grind but dont pass wrong information and dont play with dreams and money of future cadets

@ AAKhan, you are completely wrong with the instructors' reasons, they got a better pay, thus they decided to leave, which is a Normal thing BTW, do you want their phone numbers to ask them by yourself ?

AAKhan, I don't think that I have influenced you that much since Nov 2011, that was the time you joined us in PPRUNE ;) go find another person to blame...I was sharing MY experience & what I know about MPL & what I heard from here & there...its PPRuNe. AAKhan...GROW UP :ok:

@ Taras B

Failing cadets in core flying will KILL the company, plus, AAG (Sharjah) has no influence on the Australian flight school to fail or pass cadets...the same way you discussed the crashes, please discuss the cases where people failed in core flying...WHY?

Talking about the extra sorties that I & my classmates enjoyed in the core flying...I can Guarantee you, we didn't have ANY extra sorties, while others in the other batches (including those who crashed) have enjoyed extra sorties...I guess including Mr AAKhan ;)

Talking about delays in core flying for us & other batches (being us the most affected), the delays were mainly from the GCAA & AAA's Management in Sharjah at that time...why don't you talk about now...it's 2 months without delays :)

As for your last sentence in your post, I need to add something, I say "we will exceed Air Arabia's MPL cadet benchmark" it seems that you have problems with Air Arabia too !

To sum up, guys, AAG/AAA...etc. has the wheel running now, I wish all the best for the guys who want to get their money/training back, good news to come inshallah.

P.S. Just don't keep posting the same thing again & again...because I have to post here the same thing again & again :} ...AAKhan & Taras B, as days pass, it becomes clearer & clearer that you guys have had a bad experience from AAG as well, I wish you all the best...keep on posting, but please, in reason :)

See you when I see you guys, roster Changes can't help sometimes :ok:

Well two out of three instructors leave for Horizon at the same time that does reflect poorly on Alpha? Third is the head so he is not going to leave. You did infuence my joining Alpha only to regret later. Malirm we know you want to secure your employment with Air Arabia but I suggest your show some respect for other cadets who have lost so much of their money and time in Alpha

Securing a job was done already...you just mentioned it...time & money is AAG's problem ;) & problems will be solved as you see guys...couple of days/weeks...inshallah

No doubt, I respect you all & will respect you more if you respect me back...I was one of you & I am still, I fully understand our situation here, but I say, it's not only AAG to blame.

I'm sad that my sweet RP-C 3544 crashed :{ please send my regards to the dispatcher & ask him to double check for the sortie thingy, as I am sure it's about a DPCO, I respect that guy btw :)

Off to my flight :D hope we enjoy the good news soon

Which good news?

@aakhan and Taras B: just stop with bashing this thread. As what malirm says, there are en were problems, but they are going to be solved in very short time if we believe malirm. I think that only aakhan can confirm this?

But malirm, which good news? Have a nice flight btw..

Forget about enjoying extra sorties the cadets who have been entrenched (which makes 2 out of 15) in Australia have had just 35 hours instead of 80 hours. They payed Alpha Dh150,00 for just 35 hours. Malirm think what they must be going through.
SKY81- Good you did not join Alpha after reading positive comments posted by Malirm well that is his part time job. My advice do not leave your current job to join Alpha you will regret it just as I do. You have been
told by the Alpha authorities that the washed out cadets were not up to the standards well the ratio does not project a good picture of Alpha. Join only if they assure you of your success.

Captain Weird then you accept problems in Alpha after they are pointed out and after Alpha is pushed to the wall. Trademark of Alpha keep solving problems.

marlim I have been following this post for a while now and refrained from adding my opinions since I had not been in alpha for long enough.

I can now honestly tell that you are misleading everyone here. You seem to think that AAG is never completely at fault. I heard that it took them something like 2 years to get 2 cessnas 172! Now is that something to be proud off? I think you will come up with excuses to save their ass. The old students were apparently false promised that the planes would be ready in a few weeks everytime they asked.

LIES were told everyday to the students.

Now lets come to the exams. When i joined alpha the CGI proudly said that no one has failed the Ground School. I was impressed. I started to do the exams and when i did my first GCAA exams i realized that every question was copied and pasted from the question bank. Now any idiot can just learn the answers and not understand anything. I sadly worked hard and did not do well and others who just learnt all the answers by heart scored 90%+. Not only that students cheat in the exams. I have seen it with my own eyes. No wonder everyone passes. The captains must know about this but will not care. Everyone that passes the ground school will pay an extra 150k DHS for the flying. AAG will benefit from this NOT us. The students that we have in my class are quiet frankly appalling. One of them could not solve 5x+20=50 when we studied mass and balance. How did he pass the entrance exams I will never know. A 9 year old can solve that equation!
I knew that he was poor in Mass and Balance let alone other subjects. Yet he has managed to get 90% avg in exams. How? By learning all the answers from the question bank. If i ask him to explain how he got an answer he will shrug his shoulders and admit that he does not know. And yet these students pass GCAA exams and go on to flying.

Now tell me is this a good way to test students? NO! But by doing this the students will all pass with excellent marks. AAG can proudly show these marks to new possible cadets and fool them into joining Alpha. I have been fooled. Hopefully no one else will.

If you do join Alpha then do so at ur own cost. Do not believe a word AAG says.

And btw Marlim can u please tell me how a flying school managed to have 3 accidents in the space of 1 year. How is it that we had too few instructors. Is it a positive thing that AAG have been banned from holding flying classes. They have just covered it up by sending us to Australia. It is amusing how NO ONE ever failed when they flew in Shj or Clarke and yet students have failed in Australia. This just shows that AAG is playing with peoples lives. It is high time that you start being honest with people here , Marlim. You only seem to be giving ur experiences and not the full truth that u here from others!

Also,you defended AAG when they were closed down for 2 months. Tell me which flying school would do that? It is appaling that u even think about defending these situations. I am a student of AAG and I am disgusted by the way the handle the flying school. Sadly I cannot leave since my money is already in AAG.

You seem to be flying well and will eventually become a captain for Air Arabia. Now i have a question for you. Would you feel safe that you have a first officer from AAG who does not know anything from ground school since he passed all his exams by learning the answers as ABCD? I would not as a passenger. If the plane runs into trouble the answer will not be given to him. I can honestly say that 90% of the students do not understand ANYTHING from ground school or alteast very little and yet they have managed to score above 80% in all of their exams. That is something to be proud off right?

And captain wierd the problems will never be solved. Trust me on that. The only way AAG can solve it is if they close down AAG for a few months and get a new management staff. This will never happen so AAG's problems will never be solved.

Why do you get annoyed with Taras B is giving all the problems. It is clear that he knows the management very well and should be trusted with what he says. After all he knows a lot more than any on us will know when it comes to AAG.

I for one completely agree with him. Save to say if I could get my money back and had to redo my ground school all over again in another flying school i would agree without a moments hesitation. Btw my avg in ground school is close to 90%. How? Because i learnt the way to do well in the exams. I did work hard and do understand the subject but no where near to the marks that i have scored. AAG is making a fool of GCAA and tbh i will not be surprised if one of the AAG students ends up in an air crash. AAG will have blood on their hands then!

seems like everyone is agreeing with Taras B. well apart from marlim and his side kick captain.weird

So very true. I can confirm that everyword written by honestpilot is true. The answers from the question bank are learnt without understanding inorder to secure high marks. What is more appaling is some cadets are too lazy to even do that so they resort to cheating. They find out a week before exams who all are going to get the same exam paper as them(three sets of different exam papers are given) Then the question bank is divided between the cadets who will get the same paper. They resort to mass scale cheating right under the nose of captains through sign language. Like for question fifteen I will show both hands once and one hand once more. My friend who has got the same paper will be sitting next to me and will show one finger if the answer is A and if the answer is C he will show three fingers. How do authorities allow this mass scale cheating I will never know. To add to this the authorities brought to the notice that some cadet had broken into the filing cabinets where the exam papers were kept. But no action was taken. Malim I am waiting to hear what you have to say. Can you deny the above stated facts

long story short forget about joing AAG. Taras is right its useless to join MPL program when there is no Guaranteed Line Training.

anyways !! any of u guys have got idea about Moncton Flight College ? they got 3 good programs.

1. B.s.c in Aviation Technology for 4 years
2. Diploma in Aviation Technology for 20 months which is kinda 2 years
3. MPL

i wish they have B.s.c in Aviation Management.

anyways !! please screw this now. any info will be much appreciated if its meaningful or worthful LOL

Positive/Negative Comments
 

Since I have a Proper PC & a Keyboard + a Bigger Screen AND the Time, I would Like to Say:

Guys, I totally agree with whatever is mentioned, if it is 100% True (But some of the Ground School facts are not), as far as you also have to keep in-mind, that the Clark Experience is different from the Sharjah's One, there is an AIRLINE & a proper GCAA & Cadets who are willing to go to court.

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Now, to those who want to blame Malirm or Just let Malirm look like that he is on the Opposite side:

1. What is my Motive?

Money (I guess not), Bad will (I guess who ever met me would answer that).

2. What did I Post?

I posted & spoke about my EXPERIENCE as a TRAINEE & what I have heard...etc. AND my Opinion (not recommendations)

3.Did I recommend MPL?

I remember I mentioned that, it is MY best choice to get into an airline in the UAE in the shortest time (time became a problem apparently) as compared to the triditional CPL/IR...different People Different choices.

4. For Those who filled my PM inbox with Questions...did I recommend Alpha/MPL?

The Answer is NO, I simply mentioned, WAIT for us to Graduate, see how the employment goes on & THEN Decide. There were some SPECIFIC questions that I answered about the STATUS of AAG (Sharjah) & what's happening...etc. that I answered honestly. :)

5. Is it a Part-Time Job?

It might be, if it was yours on the Opposite side...as far as I know, I don't need that Part-time Money or a Job beside my Job as a PILOT. :ok:

6. When I got a YEAR of Delays & uncertainty/Ambiguity...did I Open my Mouth with a Bad word about AAG/Air Arabia/GCAA ?

NO, as I am Sure that atleast 1 of them is working hard to improve the quality of training, to know later, that ALL of them are. You know as much as I know, that this new Management in AAG Sharjah, was in no doubt the working Horse of the Academy (Away from Contracts & Guys who Failed & AAGs Upper Management).

7. Does Alpha need an improvement on Pre-Screening/Screening Process?

YES 100%, since 2010, COMPASS is not an Effective tool as far as we have seen & Experienced, we need a better one where, nobody can pass through easily, BUT, Legally, as I mentioned, it is a Certified way to do it :yuk:

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To Sum Up (Away from the Contract Problems & AAGs Upper Management):

Batches have started since Feb 2009, I guess 8 batches until this moment (about 80 students or little More):

Only ONE batch have Graduated with all 9 with ABY since Oct 2011

About 16 in Type Rating - Intermediate/Advanced (will be done starting from March)

More in Australia (Don't know when they'll finish)

More in Ground School

SOME have Failed in different stages (as per the Count, 5, CORRECT ME PLEASE).

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As YannisFr mentioned, Unprofessionalism in Management, I guess, Upper Management, I felt it ever since my Colleagues' & I training was delayed, but happily I can say...It was sorted out (i.e. non of the batches would suffer the same AGAIN), as far as I got to know, the lower management in UAE (since 2011, are to a good standard, specially the HOT (who is leaving after sorting it out for the Core Flying/Intermediate & Advanced phases...CORRECT Me if I'm Wrong).

About the ground school cheating, please ask the 2 instructors who left AAG to Horizon, who is the One who was allowing it, One of them was responsible for that...

About Learning the Questions, I personally didn't open the book to specifically LEARN the Question, Yes, I might have seen SOME questions here & there that are exactly the same on the Q paper, it is OAT question bank, you can download it now from the web if you want. Same applies to other Aviation Authorities, you can buy a Nice Book filled with the FAA ATP Qs & As...what about EASA (the same)...so, you can just leave that out of discussion.

Guys, Cheer Up, things are Changing to the Better, more news to come, if your Problem was with CLARK, go & post in that Thread, if it was with AAG Sharjah, you are in the right place :ok:

I Hope the Best for you guys...TC...as I hope The Best for AAG Batches & Our Batch :)

What happened here?

http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublicati...013%202011.pdf

Nav. Solo after only 2.9 of total Solo ???????

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :ok::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Well 2.9 is on the lower side but it can still be sufficient if the dual x ctry check was completed and the candidate was deemed proficient. What happened on the landing? and why is it happening over and over?

For once Malirm agrees with regard to the mass scale cheating in ground school. Well why should I ask anyone. Alpha is responsible and accountable to GCAA in this regard. With regard to the number of failed cadets I can count so far 5 in the 3 batches I know but they all havent yet completed their core flying so the actual number will be much higher. After the flighting was closed down by the GCAA in Sharjah the 4 cadets midway through their training will be leaving for Australia. Since Malirm loves giving updates he should have written about the air accident which took place on 5 Dec and the real reason why Alpha was forced to shut down their flying.

no idea.

I can only think of 2 reasons.

1) There are fewer captains than the number required by GCAA. As a result each captain is flying 1.5 hours more than what is the law.

2) They just want to pass students so that they can go to the next stage and give Alpha more money. At the end when they will complete the training the weaker students who crashed for example may not get a job

I do not know. I have no contact with these students who crashed so I could be wrong. But, knowing alpha I would not be surprised if I am right!

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Congrats
 

To the first batch of MPLers from Alpha SHJ ...Hearty Congrats on your graduation and wish you ALL the very best on your line training.

Its great to see you guys in the flt ops and hear you on the radios these days :ok: looking forward for your release soon and swapping flts ;)
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Moving on to other posts...

Its pretty amazing to see some posts how people are blaming "others" for their (lack of) judgement :ugh:If you cannot take responsibility for your decisions now on ground, how on earth(or air) are you supposed to make decisions on a multi million $$$ plane with 160+ souls on board? food for thought.
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Fernandeztv are you a cadet of Alpha or in anyway connected with Alpha to pass on your judgement. We are stating facts which goes against the norms of a good aviation academy in training cadets to become competent pilots. If that was not the case why would the GCAA step in and shut down the academy for two months in Nov and Dec 2010. Now GCAA has closed Alphas flghtline and an air accident investigation has taken place as a result of which the core flying of four cadets was stopped midway and they have to fly to Austalia to complete the rest of their training. There have been two similar nature previous aircraft accidents reported at the flying school in March 2011 according to GCAA reports

Three accidents already?!!??!! Wow!!!! Were they on solo flights? Dual? Or what???

all solo but according to fernandez it is not alpha's fault! If it is not their fault then who's is it? Which flying school has its flying facilities shut?! or has its ground school closed down for 2 months?

aakhan & honestpilot

So "honestpilot" talks abt some training accidents mentioned by aakhan and manages to infer that i have something to say about it? :ugh: did i get it right. :*

Ok lets get this straight...

First i posted to congratulate the successful alpha MPL graduates who went thru some pretty difficult times to get their wings and a few years back i was in their shoes as well so can i not feel happy for them?

Second i found certain members blaming another member of this forum that they joined alpha only because of them and then go about blaming this member for misleading them etc...

While choosing a FTO you take decisions based on all available information but that does not relieve you of the responsibility of doing some homework on your own instead of just relying on what others have to say. Were the pros and cons weighed at that time or you just went by what the management had to say? Did someone really think that if they paid XXX AED then they will get to fly a big shiny jet? :eek:

I have no comments nor did i pass judgements on Alpha or any other FTO for that matter but i do believe firmly that anybody who makes a decision needs to be good enough to take responsibility for it. We all make mistakes now and then, bad decisions due to bad judgement but eventually that's how we gain experience.

Safe flts everyone.

yes, i am glad for them and I hope that I can join their shoes one day. But do u think it is fair that the people like marlim only stat the pros and NO cons. If there are any then it is NOT alpha fault. Then who's is it? You want to blame the young pilot for a crash that was not his fault? If that was the case GCAA would not have banned alpha from flying in SHJ.

Alpha is not even honest about it. Like u said we all make mistakes. Well Alpha will make mistakes but yet they do not learn from it! Why should the students who join suffer?

When I joined Alpha I was not even aware of the fact that GCAA closed them down for 2 months! I was shocked to know that Alpha had 6 batches of students and had yet acquired NO planes! When I joined they only had 2!

Which flying school does that?!

Yes, I made a mistake that I joined Alpha. This is why I am here so that people have a better idea about the pros and cons of Alpha.

The instructors at Alpha are OK. Not bad, just OK. However the management is ****. Anyone could do a better job than them.
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Which flying school allows their own authority to ban them from flying?! That is VERY embarrassing!

Fernandeztv if you posted to congratulate the successful graduates you should just stick to it. Alphas responsibility is greater and questionable. If they were doing their job well why would GCAA step in twice once to shut their groundschool temporary for two months and then their flightline permanently. One cadet has only two hours of core flying left but needs to now travel all the way to Australia. Food for thought. As individuals we are responsible for our actions but we can be influenced by others to make wrong dicisions. That is what exactly has happened in my case. Malirm writes on behalf of Alpha carefully exaggerating everything in favour of Alpha and concealing their shortcomings. The hidden motive behind his regular updates is to increase the intake of Alpha. Tell me which institution should give the cadets contracts to sign four months after the commencement of the training when cadets have no choice. There were two cadets underage (less than 18) in my batch. The list goes on..... Well GCAA are approachable and very helpful

Fernandez from ur first post u seem to blame the students and not alpha for their bad luck.

U seem to have ignored my questions for u which i asked a few posts back.

I am currently in Alpha and I am sure that NOT all of us will get a job with AA. As a result I am being forced to kiss my captains ass and also to backstab my friends.

It should NOT be like that. We are supposed to help each other. Sadly Alpha does not see it that way and just want to make money. They make some students fly 120 hours on the cessna to pass the first stage and others are removed after 35 hours. So tell me is that fair? I am sure that the students who failed after 35 hours could have finished the course are 120 hours but they were not given the chance! Why?

because alpha did not care about them. They were not in the first batch of students. every time i talk to the captains they only talk about the first batch and no one else! It is as if they were forced to pass everyone in that batch just to brag about them to new students!