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Such a sweet analogy Taras B .. I hope my flying aptitude will be as good as my skill on the Piano :cool: btw, I also love "Quasi una fantasia" especially the 3rd movement :ok:

Only FI's and Piano Teachers Will Understand...
 

Hi Guys!!

Well, I wrote to Martin from the sales department of Alpha aviation group. He replied me saying that it is GUARANTEED that we will complete 1,500 Total time with Air Arabia. I'm very suspicious about that, so I wrote him back and asked to send me a copy of contract that we will sign with Alpha aviation group. Is anyone going to do the assessment?

future-pilot you will get the contract and face to face interview with Air Arabia so if you complete your course successfully you will get 1500 on A320 :ok:

I will receive the contract in a few days by Martin. If it is stated that we will complete 1,500 hours with Air Arabia, I will think about joining alpha aviation UAE.

Do you get paid while building the 1500 hours on the A320 with Air Arabia ?

yes, u do get the 1500 hours and u do get paid while u do it.

But, u can still be fired after u do the 1500 hours for whatever reason. It may be even because Air Arabia has too many MPL pilots. It will happen at some point. If that happens the license u hold is 100% useless. No airline will even look at u.

Are you sure about that? Heard that once you have 1500 hours you also get an ATPL since you already passed the subjects. Also Alpha says on their FAQ:

'With an MPL license you only need to acquire 1.500 hours of flying experience to turn your license in to a worldwide recognized Full ATPL license. There are no additional exams or test required for the conversion.'


Can anyone say what kind of flying is expected during the 70 hours SE? and do previous hours or PPL count towards this requirement?

MPL to ATPL conversion
 

That's what the told me also ..
Once we've completed the 1500hrs, if Air Arabia wants us to stay, we can stay but if not or we choose not to stay, then we can convert the license into ATPL without any hassle (perhaps only some conversion exams) then apply to our desired airline ;) ..
But I've never seen the contract copy though ..
I must ask them to send me one as well ..

G Full Cyrilroy Future Pilot
Please go through this thread and read carefully before making this vital decision. There is high ratio of entrenchments and you could me one of them. Do not even trust their entrance assessment since they take you even if you have low scores and lack the ability to become a pilot and later entrench you while you lose all your money. It has happened before and will continue to happen. Think twice before joining this flying school.

OK here is the problem when converting an MPL with 1500 hours to a full ATPL it might be possible BUT I doubt you will have the skill requirements according to the 'traditional' GCAA ATPL which follows ICAO guidelines and airlines worldwide will raise an eyebrow to this

All of your time is co-pilot (at least a huge chunk of it) you need at least 250 hours of PIC time in order to get a full ATPL - This is pretty difficult considering ABY does not offer PIC under supervision (I know very few airlines that actually do it)


Theses are the Requirments as per the traditional ATPL :

The applicant shall have completed in aeroplanes not less than 250 hours, either as pilot-in-command, or made up by not less than 100 hours as pilot- in-command and the necessary additional flight time as co-pilot performing under the supervision of a pilot-in-command, the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command, providing the method of supervision employed is satisfactory to the GCAA.

(c) The applicant shall have completed not less than 1500 hours of flight time as a pilot of aeroplanes, including at least-
(1) 500 hours as pilot-in-command under supervision or 250 hours, either as pilot-in-command, or made up by not less than 70 hours as pilot-in- command and the necessary additional flight time as pilot-in- command under supervision;
(2) 200 hours of cross-country flight time, of which not less than 100 hours shall be as pilot-in-command or as pilot-in-command under supervision;
(3) 100 hours of night flight time as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot; and
(4) 75 hours of actual or simulated instrument time, of which not more than 30 hours may be instrument ground time.

ABY does not offer PIC(US)?????? Am I missing something here???? Tons of FOs have upgraded to ATPL in ABY....couple of them only had 200 hrs on pistons!
????????

@google

Im not sure what there policy. It would be interesting to see what their operations manual says. Although I know many airlines are reluctant to offer PIC Under Supervision.

Nonetheless they are certainly not going to give it to you during your first 1500 hours of MPL training. Therefore you will not have the requirements to convert your license under ICAO.

On the flip side 1500 hours of Airbus time is golden and the laws world over are changing. So there are risks but this is the fastest way of getting jet time with a reputable airline.

I've done the COMPASS tests before and I had very high scores. My problem is, what can I do once Air Arabia change their mind and don't hire MPL students. Can I build hours in order to achive 1,500 hours in order to get the ATPL?

@psvspnf...totally not true man!!!! Even a fresh cadet when he/she completes the line training and passes the final line check AND operates as PF in a particular sector log pic(us) ..or shall I say can consider 50% of his hrs as pic (only towards issue of ATPL) its possible and being done in ABY!

Moveover, all airlines I worked with had no issues giving pic under supervision time...wonder why you say they are reluctant :rolleyes: :ooh:

I am not sure if Arabia is giving 1500 hrs though....I had heard 750...but if they really are, with 1500 on A320 and an ATPL, there's nothing stopping you!

Cheers

answer is NO.

Why? Because MPL is different from ATPL.

You cannot even join another airline. For example lets say u did 500 hours with Air Arabia and then they leave u. You then go to say Emirate since they are offering MPL spots. They will never accept you. This is because u have been trained the Air Arabia way. They will have to waste money training u in their way. They much rather take a new student and train him for scratch.

Even now i have no flying hours in the A320 and I wanted to leave Alpha. At the end i could not. Why? Because the flight school I spoke to did not accept my ground school results or most of my flying. So if i wanted to join their school I would have to start from scratch. That is a waste of money and time.

Imagine now if u did all the training and joined the A320 and they asked u to do all from scratch. You just cannot go and do the ATPL exams even though u have the MPL results as proof. U need to resit the whole course to rebuild the ground school hours to get the ATPL license.

If u really want to go train as a pilot and you think u will make a good one the please get the EASA license. Once u have that u will not face many problems. Yes, it will be hard to get the inital job and you will properly need to fly in a cargo plane or bush flying in Africa but u are building hours and eventually u will get the ATPL license with no problems

On the other hand read a few posts back. I mentioned an airline that offers from MPL training. Then again it is only for British students but still it shows that there are airlines who pay for it. Why? Because it is risky

Honestpilot....what happens once u get 1500+ hours????

As an FO you cannot log PIC as you are not the commander you are CM2. Right seat time is only logged as P2 even if you are PF.

Well if u fly well in those 1500 hours Air Arabia will hire u a first officer IF they have places. With the number of students at Alpha now I do not think everyone will be offered a job?!

If u do not fly well you will be asked to leave. I am not sure if u will get an ATPL. I still think u will need to do the ATPL ground school again atleast. Those 2 licenses are very different

Then again when i asked alpha the question above they always said that i will face never face problems They said that I can go to any flying school and they will take my results if anyone wanted to leave. I did that to check if they are honest and no they were not! So i no longer believe anything Alpha says!

@google

From my experience PF can not and is not the same as PIC. There are exceptions to this rule depending on where in the world you go. I dont know of any in the UAE.

Is the 50% rule in the GCAA Civil Aviation Regulations? Could you please quote me the CAR? - I couldn't find anything about it in the Personal Licensing System.

It would also be great to hear from cadets who have done the program and find out how they have been told to log their hours. (Co-pilot or PIC)


Thanks