Hello Gentlemen,

I'm a A320 pilot "scheduled" to begin training the end of August or early September. I was hired from the May interview groups. What is everyone's status that was hired from the May and June groups? I know of one gent that had to back out. Has anyone else turned down a job offer with the upcoming management change? What about those of you that were offered future interview dates?

Oceanic

No news Oceanic..

I was assured of a July Slot

With the Qatari Management..Either from QR or by a national, makes the job less lucrative
At least for me

From what I could gather, many from the June group did not get through, not sure if they had already reached their pilot number targets by then or we were just a bad batch. Condorbaaz, not sure why the job would become less lucrative with QR or local management?

Just curious. What kind of background do you need to fly this for Amiri Flight:

A7-MAB - Qatar Amiri Flight Boeing C-17A Globemaster III at Manchester | ID 179451 | Airplane-Pictures.net

Must you have a military background flying the same type to qualify? Can you bid this aircraft from the Airbus fleet if a slot opens and vice versa? To fly one of those would be a very unique experience.

Again, just curious. Personally, one of my favourite airplanes with some very interesting flying I would imagine. :ok::cool:

Cheers

Comanche,

I think Condor is preparing for the possibility that QR management may impose the QR contract on the Amiri Flight which would be a pay cut and therefor less lucrative.

Did you get the job offer and if so are you accepting? Do you know how many were approved in the June assessments?




Condor,

Good luck on your interview!

Oceanic

Comanche..

The QR team may try to cross utilize the pilots for all fleets, considering that they have so many Ac..

Personally, I feel that a Non Local will honor the terms more sincerely than a Local..

Oceanic..

Thanks but I have gotten no response as yet..


Happy Landings

Condor

Given those thoughts and whereas Amiri ops are majority Royal family and government VIP use, maybe Amiri would not be the best fit. just sayin...

igig..

the royalty and the vip do not micro manage your day to day life issues at work. I suppose as Pilots we only interact them mostly on board. It is of the time when One is not flying them that I speak...

The normal Controlling Function would be done by the manager you report to. It is of these managers that I say, that Non Locals, esp 1st world, honor the contract , as there is little worth of Paper in the eyes of the Locals east of Turkey till Hong Kong..

The general deterioration starts with the Layover Facilites, reduction of benefits (like housing allowance.) the travel benefits on leave basically Penny pinching..

That is my opinion at least..

I'm not sure there is such a thing as the "perfect" contract job. I've no first hand experience with Hong Kong contracts but the ones in China are not worth the paper they are printed on and the airlines micromanage everything in addition to the local pilots tattling on you for every supposed "infraction" of the rules while most of them have no practical experience operating the aircraft. Ask the Cathay pilots how much their contract has been adhered to over the years.

Honestly, even with the management change I'm more positive about the change than negative. They don't need to change the management to enforce new contract terms. They could do that tomorrow if they wanted to so I am going in with an open mind.

Having said that it all comes down to personal preferences. I could use a
change anyway so it's a risk I'm willing to take....and I would much rather fly with other captains than a bunch of 250 hour wonders.

Oceanic.. Well Said..

I agree with you in all totality..

However, I am yet to get the call for assessment...

Has recruitment closed?

True,my salary has only gone up and up since i signed my contract...ahhh these chinese:E

Igig, from independent source, I overheard that the recruitment is put on hold ufn ... QR management taking over and manning Qatar Amiri with QR pilots.
Those who got Amiri contracts, will most probably keep the package, as for the QR pilots they will probably get a per flight or per rotation bonus, or may be not even that. Anyone from the insiders ?

Thanks SA.

Sorry guys. There is no news from the inside. There has been no clarification or elaboration about the situation.

We are all just standing by to learn what the ramifications will be. :confused:

Amiri Screening in FRA - 26th and 27th Sept 2012
 

Greetings, Gentlemen. I have just been invited (once again) for a screening process with Amiri, conducted by "Interpersonal.de", to take place in FRA on the 26th & 27th of Sept, as I have some 3,000+ hours on the A310 / A300-600 family. In my particular case, I am (relatively) comfortably employed, as P.I.C. on Gulfstream GIV-SP and Learjet 60XR in my own country, but - just out of curiosity - do you guys think the offered package is reasonable, considering cost of living in DOH etc? Thanks in advance for any valuable impressions.:ok:

The grass isnt always greener, if you are happy in your own country, I would suggest you stay there :)

Mutt

A310Capt,

It's good news for those in the pipeline to hear that the screening process is continuing.

WRT the package alone, I would classify it as "reasonable". It's not fantastic and it's not hopeless. It sort of lies in the middle. The housing allowance is fair, the medical/dental insurance is generally adequate, the LOL insurance is probably average, life insurance is on the low side, per diems are good, annual leave tickets are reasonable.

At the end of the day, the important factor is how much you will be saving after you have factored in job satisfaction and quality of life for you and probably more importantly your family. The amount you save is not relevant if you/family are not happy here (what Mutt says above).

The amount you will be able to save in this job (and hence the "reasonableness" of the package) will be dependent on your family composition and your interests.

It wouldn't surprise me that if you are single, you could probably send home in the order of QAR45k+ per month while still living a decent life (any single Amiri pilots feel free to correct me here). With a wife and a few school age kids living with you in Doha, you could probably send home QAR25k+ per month on average while still having holidays and paying for hobbies/pasttimes etc.

What must be recognised is that there are potentially significant lifestyle changes associated with this job and it's location. These have been discussed on this thread previously and must be a major factor when considering the suitability of this job.

Cheers,

Amiri01

Thanks Amiri01.

De facto. I've enjoyed the raises too. I won't dispute that but at the end of the day it isn't just about the money for me.

From the figures that i have, thats almost 100% of the initial salary, flight pay and executive allowance, so are you saying that single people should be able to rent an apartment and live off the housing allowance?

Mutt

Hi Mutt,

The short answer is yes, but there are other considerations such as the average monthly per diems and a few other benefits that assist with achieving this level of savings, while still maintaining a decent life.

I could be wrong. Again, perhaps one of my single colleagues could chime in here with their experience.

Cheers,

Amiri01

Background Check
 

Hi,
Could anyone tell me how long it takes to complete background check & reference verification?

You are looking at about 3 months from job offer to landing in Doha.

They didn't even call my references...

Interviewed end of May, started working on the 30th of August so I can confirm the 3 month statement. Good Luck.

Information regarding Qatar Amiri A 310
 

Dear Amiri01

Your posts do give some insight into the operation. Would appreciate if the following information could be shared either thru a post or PM as deemed appropriate.

1. How many Pilots are there at the company & what numbers are they looking at ?

2. Is there a significant planned expansion or a lot of turnover for the continous hiring ? Or due to the stringent selection they have been unable to find the best candidates ?

3. Had heard last year that the A 310 was being phased out, then they decided to retain it & hire Pilots. This year they have again advertised for A 310 Pilots ? What would happen to the A 310 Pilots hired, in the event it is subsequently phased out ?

4. Apart Salary/Housing/On Call Incentive are there any additional monetary benefits like a Flight Allowance or Per Diems ?

5. Apart from the Annual Leave, Is one expected to standby 24x7 or are there any additional Hard Days Off ?

6. Is there a notification period for call ?

Thanks in advance, would appreciate anyone in addition to Amiri01 also to respond.

still looking for flight dispatcher
 

Hi 01,

I have sent CV to mulitple people @ Amiri for a position as FD, I have 4 years experience. I am from Asia. Please let me know if you are still hiring FD and still looking to hire only europeans?

Regards,
UAE FD

Flight Operation Jobs
 

Dear Amiri01,

Any job vacancy for an operation controller/Movement controller in amiri flights..

alwaysflying:

I'll try to answer your questions but be aware that I am not privy to what is happening behind the scenes.

1. I am estimating that we may have around 60 pilots now, give or take some. Final numbers I am not aware of. We are still recruiting for A310/320 and BD700 Captains but I do not know about A330/340/B747 hiring.

2. The hiring is to meet existing commitments. I am not aware of any pilot's leaving in the last few years, other than for age or medical related retirements, but one or two that I don't know may have gone. Anyway, the hiring is definitely not as a result of turnover of pilots. The introduction of the B748 over the next couple of years will pose a fairly complex logistical exercise for management as the size of the fleet post-B748 introduction may not be known until the time. However, I do not believe that the current recruiting is as a result of the phase in of the B748, rather simply meeting existing fleet manning requirements.

3. When aircraft have been phased out in the past, the crews on that aircraft have been re-trained on another type, so this is the historical precedence. Whether that continues is at the discretion of management. Knowing current Flight Ops management, I feel they would do their utmost to retain crew.

4. Per diems are paid and are at a good level. There are no other cash benefits other than salary/on-call allowance and also transport/furniture etc. allowances.

5. Other than the 6 weeks annual leave, you are allowed 12 "hard" days off per year. These can be cancelled right up until the actual day so aren't really "hard" days off. They are usually appended to a leave period to extend your annual leave (once you start on your days off, you are safe...).

6. The most notice you get for a flight ex-Doha is usually the day before that flight departs. Notice can be as little as 2 hours but is normally the day before. However, once you are on the road, it is a different matter. On some aircraft in the fleet, you may be checking into your hotel after a 4 hour sector, only to receive a call to go back to the aircraft to do another 5 hour sector. Don't join Amiri if you cannot handle something like this.

UAE FD:

I'm sorry, I don't know what the FD levels are but I believe they are close to being correct. As for nationalities, there are very few Europeans in this area (if any). Indeed, there are many nationalities in the FD department with the majority being from Western Asia.

Cheers,

Amiri01

Amiri01

When you refer to the introduction of the 747-800 as creating a "fairly complex logistical exercise" for management; is it your sense that there will be fleet reductions or are you referring to the movement and training of personnel?

Hi igig,

I am primarily referring to the movement and training of existing personnel. We will certainly have movement from the existing Airbus fleet on to the B748 fleet and given the lack of B747 experience amongst our Airbus widebody crews, I expect that there will be a fairly extensive training commitment for the B748 with quite a large lead-time needed. The movement of pilots to the B748 will clearly create shortages on the Airbus fleet that will need to be addressed.

Now the big question is what will happen to the Airbus fleet when the 748's arrive. The answer to this is anybody's guess at this point in time.

Every new joiners question is going to be: "If they do not retain the Airbuses that have been replaced, what will happen to us?". This is of course an extremely valid concern.

The problem is that I suspect that no-one knows what will happen to the fleet when the B748s arrive. Their arrival is still a fair way off so the decision about the fleet composition is probably also a fair way off.

The difficulties for management will include deciding whether to recruit with permanent employees to fill the vacancies when the Airbus crews head off to train on the B748s, or whether to recruit crews on fixed term contracts with the understanding that the contract will be for a defined term. Should the Airbus fleet be reduced following the introduction of the B748, then the contract personnel could be let go at the end of their contract term.

So our management will base their decisions on the best information that they have now, but things could change. Regardless of what decisions are made, there are clearly complex logistical issues that management will have to deal with.

Personally, and I stress that this is my own opinion based on gut feeling only, I suspect that the fleet will continue to grow. The economic success that Qatar is enjoying and the increasing diplomatic role that Qatar is playing in the international arena makes me feel that the expansion of the Amiri Flight will continue in order to meet the VIP transport requirements of the State.

I probably can't add any more than that.

Cheers,

Amiri01

Well Said Amiri 01
 

Good rational post there Amiri 01! Sounds like good times your way with expansion and new metal.

BTW the gig over here in CSAIR is going pretty well too now... Just about to finish line training. All pretty relaxed.

They are also taking 320 guys from AF to CCQ them to the 330 if any of the ozzis are interested?

20 new 330 s coming and 787s ...with a "chestnut " spreading that the expats might get MFF over to the 380 ...just a rumour but would make sense to compete with QF and EK on the CANTON route they have planned. And the level four english is a bit problematic...

Anyway hope all good your way say hi to AB and MK from MW!

Cheers

Wja

G'day Wja,

I'm pleased to hear it's going well over there. It certainly sounds like a decent gig.

Will certainly send your regards to the boys.

Cheers

any recent news on this outfit?

Status quo for now...

Oceanic..

I thought the German management had been dismissed by the Royal Family
Is there a time line they have to be out of there? Was is 12 months or longer do you think,. just wondering.
Thanks!

As for the management, a part of the German Management is still there.
The Flight Management is Qatari (correct me if im wrong). I only know about the Indian Ground Management there by rumours.
And they are malicious! They will do anything to secure their power and even spread heavy fake accusations in order to get colleagues kicked if they benefit from it.
Care of their sweettalking, they will backstab you from behind.

The German management is still in place but we are currently in a transition phase back to management by Qatar Airways. There has been no indication to employees about the nature of any changes, nor has a timeline been advised to us. We are all waiting to find out what will happen.

In the meantime, there is a freeze across the board on recruiting. When/if it starts again, I shall advise here.

Checkthisout, I would be curious to know which part of "Ground Operations" you are referring to? Would you mind pm'ing me to be a little more specific as your rumoured assertion could be painting some good people in an unnecessarily negative way.

Cheers,

Amiri01

Amiri01, it is what it is, there are not as many people in senior positions in the ground management that have a huge influence on decisions. I am not namecalling either, which is against the forum laws and childish.

I am telling you people only to be aware of those guys. They "are" nice, just dont get involved with them personally in any way.

The pilots seem happy though and the company itself is good. Which is the important part.

Has A7-HSJ been placed into service yet which would bring the Airbus narrow body fleet to six fins?