Stress Levels at Emirates
 

Given the recent changes,let's start rating stress levels at EK on a scale of 1 to 10. Since its all about grading at Ek. 1 being minimal and 10 can't take it anymore and looking for the red ejection button.
Perhaps it will help the new joiners a perspective at what they are aiming for.

It's a 10, a big fat 10.

The way this airline is going we ARE heading for a major prang.:ugh:

And it's all been brought on by the fear ruling management.:D

It's a big & massive TEN plus !!

I'm top bid this month and very good seniority, and still getting all those "manual insertions" of nihgt turnarounds to BOM, HYD etc. pp.

What i'm NOT getting, is my days asked for OFF and NO leave in the "peak period" - those muppets in (s)crewing really sucks!

Especially, when they do their famous "manual fixes" of giving you a nasty turnaround flight between your requested 4 d OFF at the end of the month, right before those Days OFF at the beginning of the next month!

Emirates: Next exit: disaster site ! :eek: ... we came already sooooo close to that too often - however fingers X-ed !!!

9

Competent commercial management, f***ing useleess flight ops management.

A complete bunch of spineless individuals, and in case of the talking horse, ponticficating on types of flying in which he has ZERO experience. Mind you I think the main problem in this airline is AAR. A micro managing individual who is way out of his depth!

The manuals in their charge are useless. The introduction of new equipment and SOP always takes about 3 goes to get right! In the 8 years I have been here it is getting worse!

Keep it safe gents,


CRS

The implied stress level of getting fired for a honest infraction (getting a G/A wrong during training) keeps the stress level up-way up. The possibility of getting called in to explain why you take extra fuel for a midnight arrival and the implied implications of said call in. The stress level of constant 0300 sign ins for a turnaround, and finally living in Dubai and its constant issues (construction, inept bureaucracy, traffic, weather), just to name a few........all keeps it around 10.

But the great professionals from varied backgrounds, new equipment knocks a point off. So for me-9. But the eject handle is being reached for once the ejection envelope improves. Don't want to eject inverted at 200 feet.:eek:

On a scale of one to ten.....I would say 11.
Inept management gets the extra point!!
Lies, incompetance, the rule of fear...Take your pick!

Actually, my stress level is probably closer to 1.....

I have just graciously been granted an extra 5 years to study for my upgrade.

If I ever go for tea and biscuits, what can they do to me? Take my upgrade away, not give me bonus, or take away my annual increase.....already been done, so nothing to lose!

In fact the worst thing they can do is fire me and I think they would be doing me a favour:rolleyes:

A 10 for certain (if not even higher) - Just remember, the company's position regarding stress, morale etc. is that there is no connection between either of them and safety. This was said at more than one "commanders" and "future commanders" conference.

I heard it myself when MM (Trng) said that there was "NO" connection between low morale and the possibility of reduced safety due to flight crews being dejected and distracted.

I disagree completely..there is such a connection and if this company isn't careful, they just might see the result of the connection plastered into the ground (or mountain) somewhere....

Kennytheking you are absolutely correct.....I LOVE IT:)

A 10++.

Recent weeks and months post MEL have seen a further major deterioration in everything.

Why with all of those stress relieving innovations such as spot line checks, compulsory online training modules every month with some jerk telling to select start to start an engine, wasting the little spare time I have and the little spare money the company has, living in fear of losing my job every time I go to work (another recent sacking), utilities, overtime, pay for published block time (as opposed to block or actual as it was before) , block times, FTLs, crew rest, layovers, allowances, uniform police, management briefings, jump seats, training in our time, that annoying jail they call briefing, what a horses arse.

One of the things that I valued at EK was the job security, it was something that EK pilots worked for 20 years to establish, and in a few months has been completely destroyed, along with any remnants of safety culture that we may have had left.

Like many others now, I consider myself as a temporary employee and I have significantly curtailed my spending in Dubai. The damage done by EK managements present course extends well beyond the airline.

Puff n stuff said already

THIS AIRLINE IS HEADING FOR A MAJOR PRANG..

The very definition of stress highlights the flow on negative effects of adverse stress. " Stress is the adverse reaction people have to excessive pressure placed on them for extraordinary demands, constraints and opportunities".
You may have seen the Yerkes- Dodson bell curve indicative of the performance deterioration of higher than optimal levels of stress.
Also a report in the British Medical Journal in October 2002 found that workers who spent long hours in high-pressure jobs were twice as likely to die from a heart attack than those working normal hours.
Perhaps an anonymous report to an authority indicating the breach in duty of care towards flight crew, via willful disregard for crew welfare from senior management would do the trick.
An authority outside of Middle East might be the trick. ICAO?, Perhaps the ATSB or U.K CAA would be interested as no-one wants to have an incident/accident on their doorstep.
Good Luck all, I know what it's like to be under the pump.
Stay Safe

Stress ???

Wait till I tell U something about yr maintenance, than yr stress level is going up to 15 :ugh:
We hire only the best?? BS^10
The best will not come for the current offer, and the few best are left, will run as soon the wheel is once more turning.
Never saw before , so much fear, incompetence, mismanagment and CYA like here. Will never ever listen again to a slogan: we hire the best!!!!!!!!!

Keep discovering:yuk:

Stress 1.

I couldn't care less about EK or command anymore. This place is a toilet.
When the economy picks up I will go home a take any jet job. I appreciate the west more after being here.......Quality of life is more important now.

Being a captain in EK doesn't sound like too much fun anyway.

2nd from the top bid group this month.
Nothing I was requesting was awarded.
9 days off.
Max 3 days in a row off.
FO pilot meeting. Who cares?
85 hour sked.
Been here about 3 years.
High time Captain at my previous airline but I now require 4000 hours at EK to upgrade because my AC was 2.5 tons on the light side.
I can't give a stresss grade.
According to Emirates I must be to dumb to even count to 10.

Stress and Fatique
 

A definite 10.

July roster...90 hours in 3 weeks!!!

Guess that's the way it will be from now on. Press Two.

10/10 brace brace brace

Well now girls - you're all calling it a 10 but I see only ONE of you has voted 10:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well friends, I'll have to vote between an 5 or 6 ! Why ? At the end of the day, why are we here ??? $$$... Exactly ! Don't worry as it's there airplanes and were the robots that operate/fix them and came here with our vast experience not given by this great company lol... but to shine for them and make it look like we have something to be grateful for... I'm still looking for that something and may find it one day buried somewhere in the sand. :) What I'm trying to say is why stress ourselves out and risk our health for what ? Emirates... Like in other posts as some people have mentioned, it's an revolving circle and what goes around comes around; maybe the long way but things can only get better...:hmm: Well we hope. Like the saying goes, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel - let's just hope it's not a train !

Where is the 1 button???
 

Sorry guys,

No stress at all here.. I do my job, have a good time flying, although I have to admit it's more often the middle of the night then not, but once I get home, I crack a beer and relax...

Also on the job, there is absolutely no stress involved since I do not care about EK anymore..
Were late? Well so be it.
Sir, we have to wait another 25 minutes for connecting pax.. Sweet L1, can I please have another cup of coffee and a Gulf news?
Captain, we have 1hr delay! Sorry guys, I'm too tired and I won't go into discretion, see you tomorrow or so...

Gents, I do fly as a professional, I never take more fuel than required, I still like to fly.. But I refuse to go the extra mile for EK, I refuse to wind myself up for them, and it actually is a pretty good life out there if you don't...

Try it!!

MR8

I've followed MR8's line almost to the letter for some years now and it's worked for me.

Ditto
You'd have to make the distinction between stress of the actual job and stress associated with the wider EK lifestyle package. Theres a bit of a point spread between the two! Especially if you get put in Mirdiff.
If I could take this job back to my home country I'd be a pretty happy guy.
Mind you I'm 777...

Volverine,

Unfortunately I am going to have to give you a 2 because its
"BRACE BRACE" not "BRACE BRACE BRACE".

Unfortunately you will be fired.

Unfortunately yes, this is training.

Ill take a 7 because if I do get called in, I really want to show them something:E

Re TCAS and an invite to the Glass House if rude... don't answer the blo*dy phone on days off/rest periods = no arguments, less stress.

As for the pathetic attempts of TCAS, M&M & Ed to give us the the perception that they care, they have only succeeded to increase the stress levels to point which increases the possibility of an incident/accident. Again they shoot and score... into their own net, pathetic.

10.

FUEK

Ready! Shoot! Aim!:uhoh: SNAFU in spades.

little emotional there Mensaboy,

If you do turn up to work fatigued, then you contravene the FOM, and common sense. Blaming a crew schedular behind a desk for any mistake we make at work (and trying to get away with it) is stretching the bow a little too far.

Some flight deck have been taking leave with out pay. It just wasn't advertised, but l get your point.

Unfortunately those you speak of do exist in the pilot group. I have flown and shared cars with colleagues that do nothing short of make me cringe with some of their antics and over self-belief. And l believe this minority have induced the email from TCAS.

You are correct about rest and politeness when dealing with roster changes.

halas

Emirates sounds like a great place!!!!:ok:

MR8 hits the nail on the head.. It's easy to beat the stress that way - if you're stressed that is:}

Ahhhh White Knight...defender of the EK...love it. Always good for a chuckle. Lemme guess, your Prado is the one with the Fly Emirates sunshades and you have the Talking Horse on speed-dial...

I tend to agree with kennytheking. To be stressed implies that one actually gives a sh$t. Or has the energy to pretend they do. I save that for the twice-yearly checking, otherwise *yawn*...

A good rule of warfare is to remember there is no one more dangerous than an adversary with little to lose. Something the brilliant bulbs "leading" us would do well to think about. Apathy is deadlier than fatigue, and you can't force someone to care no matter how many petty FCI's you release, and no matter how many patronizing, paternal emails you send. Bullying is a game of diminishing returns.

Back to sleep! :ok:

Ahhh NLH - not a prado old son, too small:ok: Talking horse on speed dial - no thanks, I don't listen to drivel... (what's speed dial:rolleyes:)

I don't get stressed too much - simple.. Life's what you make it sunshine! I go to work - fly - enjoy ale downroute - come home and forget about EK. Simple... You all want to sit and stew then that's up to you:\

Going to work reduces my stress levels - I go to a pub in a faraway land and don't have to listen to the wife complain about how late I got home and didn't put out the rubbish! :ok:

While reading this thread, my stress level temporarily peaked at 1.5

A Gulfair Captain

what a great thread Fellas:E

I love going to work....I have a great laugh everyday I am there experiencing the gross neglegence of the ground staff trying to dispatch us out of Dubai....:ugh:

I laugh at the guys screaming at SMNC on 132.6 because the high lifter hasnt made the Aircraft at gate C30 at 5am or the loadsheet hasnt arrived as per the FCI dated blah blah blah 2009 or I have been over fueled 200kg's.....:ugh:

I am actually getting younger laughing so hard at the attitudes of some of my colleages being too scared to come to work incase its their last flight.....I am unsure what exactley they are scared of!!:rolleyes:

And the biggest laugh of all ..........not one policy change that has been implemented after the so called Melbourne incident has affected me in anyway.......:E

So whats my point......I am laughing alot these days.....and I only laugh at good Jokes:D


Fellas you are Lions......dont let the monkeys stress you out....they will always be monkeys....but... you will always be a Lion..rrrrrrrrrraaaahhhh:}


TR:ok:

Great post Tail Rota . Anybody departing EK for 'nefarious' reasons should have no problem finding gainful employment - there are loads of jobs on A330s etc.
I knew TCAS would screw things up for EK , he was soooooooooo popular in BA too , luckily he did not bring his sidekick the Prince Of Darkness with him methinks. Although , if he had , things would have come to a head by now , perhaps a good thing . BALPA kept these fellows in check somewhat.
Keep up the good fight guys - makes entertaining reading and pprune is not off the air here !!

Hold on a second, h3dxb.
 

Posted by h3dxb
You mixed up things real bad, man. The poolies have been screened more than one year ago and we should be happy about any help we can get to share the load we've been carrying. This statement of yours is all about prejudice, since you have no idea who are the guys coming or their reasons to come.:=
You want respect, how about showing some?
You may even second guess their decision to come, but not their competence.
BTW, the few called now were not selected from their little selection group like you or me, but among all approved groups, regardless of selection date. Company scored them by general selection performance, English level for non native speakers, background and date of last flight.

And more: The standards for the selection never been lowered and additionally, since there are lots of pilots for few spots, they also set a top number for BMI(Body Mass Index) and waist circumference. How about that.

Welcome on board new joiners.:D

Oh, yes: Stress level at 4, I think.

It works you know, just dial 2 and you get instant stress relief. :)

After 30 sec I even stopped feeling guilty about who was going to do my flight, who even cares any more? not me coz I've given up.

I don't answer my company calls, i don't reply to company calls. Don't ever say yes and always have a beers ready in hand, oops sorry can't fly, I've just had a beer. Good bye screwing!!!! :yuk:

Yes - it's like every other airline in the world.;)

You should have heard the comments when they took the Cheeseboard away at BA....:eek:

Weeeell... stress is one a those pretty subjective 'n idiosyncratic things... I reckon mine's 'bout a 7. Some day's r better than others...

happy contrails ladies 'n gents :)

k-o-t-s

tail-rota great post man! You have it exactly right...in the end there are only pussies who fly desks, who go home to bed every day at 3:30 or whatever...and WISH they had the balls to do the job...they whinge and write memos and FCI's and pretend they have power...but in the end they are eunuchs, scurrying to protect their jobs...I laugh harder every day! The shrill admonitions, the stern emails...surely they are in jest? I dread the management meeting, how is one supposed to keep a straight face? And hell if I will wear the uniform, I only wear that when paid...

I came for the money, I came for the lies...now I stay solely for the entertainment value...what on EARTH will they do next in inept, classic keystone cops fashion? There isn't much left to take away except *gasp* the job itself, my my what a shame that would be...to be forced to leave the paradise of Dubai and return to a real country?...it is all pretty hilarious...I try to explain to those not here what it's like but it's hopeless, you couldn't make it up if you tried...

I DO feel a tad sorry for the Talking Horse...I mean it MUST be uncomfortable being a sock puppet with Redha's hand up your ass...

Peace out to my fellow lions! :ok:

Perhaps not after Melbourne but you are more productive and have lost over 15% of your pay!

Marooned..... 18% - don't forget your 3% increment they promised you at the interview but then later lied and pretended they never said that. Maybe TR flies for love...