View Poll Results: Keep it for the EK guys - where's your stress level?
2 - No Stress
27
4.86%
3 - Stress? What stress?
12
2.16%
4 - Occasional light chop
58
10.45%
5 - Who you calling grumpy?
38
6.85%
6 - I've had enough of this.
111
20.00%
7 - Clenching fists, biting nails. Often.
66
11.89%
8 - If you do that again I'll kill you!
59
10.63%
9 - Uncontrollable sobbing. Even in your sleep.
22
3.96%
10 - AAAAAAAAAAAaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!
162
29.19%
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Stress Levels at Emirates
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Stress Levels at Emirates
Given the recent changes,let's start rating stress levels at EK on a scale of 1 to 10. Since its all about grading at Ek. 1 being minimal and 10 can't take it anymore and looking for the red ejection button.
Perhaps it will help the new joiners a perspective at what they are aiming for.
Perhaps it will help the new joiners a perspective at what they are aiming for.
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It's a big & massive TEN plus !!
I'm top bid this month and very good seniority, and still getting all those "manual insertions" of nihgt turnarounds to BOM, HYD etc. pp.
What i'm NOT getting, is my days asked for OFF and NO leave in the "peak period" - those muppets in (s)crewing really sucks!
Especially, when they do their famous "manual fixes" of giving you a nasty turnaround flight between your requested 4 d OFF at the end of the month, right before those Days OFF at the beginning of the next month!
Emirates: Next exit: disaster site !
... we came already sooooo close to that too often - however fingers X-ed !!!
I'm top bid this month and very good seniority, and still getting all those "manual insertions" of nihgt turnarounds to BOM, HYD etc. pp.
What i'm NOT getting, is my days asked for OFF and NO leave in the "peak period" - those muppets in (s)crewing really sucks!
Especially, when they do their famous "manual fixes" of giving you a nasty turnaround flight between your requested 4 d OFF at the end of the month, right before those Days OFF at the beginning of the next month!
Emirates: Next exit: disaster site !
... we came already sooooo close to that too often - however fingers X-ed !!!
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Competent commercial management, f***ing useleess flight ops management.
A complete bunch of spineless individuals, and in case of the talking horse, ponticficating on types of flying in which he has ZERO experience. Mind you I think the main problem in this airline is AAR. A micro managing individual who is way out of his depth!
The manuals in their charge are useless. The introduction of new equipment and SOP always takes about 3 goes to get right! In the 8 years I have been here it is getting worse!
Keep it safe gents,
CRS
Competent commercial management, f***ing useleess flight ops management.
A complete bunch of spineless individuals, and in case of the talking horse, ponticficating on types of flying in which he has ZERO experience. Mind you I think the main problem in this airline is AAR. A micro managing individual who is way out of his depth!
The manuals in their charge are useless. The introduction of new equipment and SOP always takes about 3 goes to get right! In the 8 years I have been here it is getting worse!
Keep it safe gents,
CRS
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The implied stress level of getting fired for a honest infraction (getting a G/A wrong during training) keeps the stress level up-way up. The possibility of getting called in to explain why you take extra fuel for a midnight arrival and the implied implications of said call in. The stress level of constant 0300 sign ins for a turnaround, and finally living in Dubai and its constant issues (construction, inept bureaucracy, traffic, weather), just to name a few........all keeps it around 10.
But the great professionals from varied backgrounds, new equipment knocks a point off. So for me-9. But the eject handle is being reached for once the ejection envelope improves. Don't want to eject inverted at 200 feet.
But the great professionals from varied backgrounds, new equipment knocks a point off. So for me-9. But the eject handle is being reached for once the ejection envelope improves. Don't want to eject inverted at 200 feet.
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Actually, my stress level is probably closer to 1.....
I have just graciously been granted an extra 5 years to study for my upgrade.
If I ever go for tea and biscuits, what can they do to me? Take my upgrade away, not give me bonus, or take away my annual increase.....already been done, so nothing to lose!
In fact the worst thing they can do is fire me and I think they would be doing me a favour
I have just graciously been granted an extra 5 years to study for my upgrade.
If I ever go for tea and biscuits, what can they do to me? Take my upgrade away, not give me bonus, or take away my annual increase.....already been done, so nothing to lose!
In fact the worst thing they can do is fire me and I think they would be doing me a favour
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A 10 for certain (if not even higher) - Just remember, the company's position regarding stress, morale etc. is that there is no connection between either of them and safety. This was said at more than one "commanders" and "future commanders" conference.
I heard it myself when MM (Trng) said that there was "NO" connection between low morale and the possibility of reduced safety due to flight crews being dejected and distracted.
I disagree completely..there is such a connection and if this company isn't careful, they just might see the result of the connection plastered into the ground (or mountain) somewhere....
I heard it myself when MM (Trng) said that there was "NO" connection between low morale and the possibility of reduced safety due to flight crews being dejected and distracted.
I disagree completely..there is such a connection and if this company isn't careful, they just might see the result of the connection plastered into the ground (or mountain) somewhere....
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A 10++.
Recent weeks and months post MEL have seen a further major deterioration in everything.
Why with all of those stress relieving innovations such as spot line checks, compulsory online training modules every month with some jerk telling to select start to start an engine, wasting the little spare time I have and the little spare money the company has, living in fear of losing my job every time I go to work (another recent sacking), utilities, overtime, pay for published block time (as opposed to block or actual as it was before) , block times, FTLs, crew rest, layovers, allowances, uniform police, management briefings, jump seats, training in our time, that annoying jail they call briefing, what a horses arse.
One of the things that I valued at EK was the job security, it was something that EK pilots worked for 20 years to establish, and in a few months has been completely destroyed, along with any remnants of safety culture that we may have had left.
Like many others now, I consider myself as a temporary employee and I have significantly curtailed my spending in Dubai. The damage done by EK managements present course extends well beyond the airline.
Puff n stuff said already
THIS AIRLINE IS HEADING FOR A MAJOR PRANG..
Recent weeks and months post MEL have seen a further major deterioration in everything.
Why with all of those stress relieving innovations such as spot line checks, compulsory online training modules every month with some jerk telling to select start to start an engine, wasting the little spare time I have and the little spare money the company has, living in fear of losing my job every time I go to work (another recent sacking), utilities, overtime, pay for published block time (as opposed to block or actual as it was before) , block times, FTLs, crew rest, layovers, allowances, uniform police, management briefings, jump seats, training in our time, that annoying jail they call briefing, what a horses arse.
One of the things that I valued at EK was the job security, it was something that EK pilots worked for 20 years to establish, and in a few months has been completely destroyed, along with any remnants of safety culture that we may have had left.
Like many others now, I consider myself as a temporary employee and I have significantly curtailed my spending in Dubai. The damage done by EK managements present course extends well beyond the airline.
Puff n stuff said already
THIS AIRLINE IS HEADING FOR A MAJOR PRANG..
Last edited by allaru; 23rd Jun 2009 at 12:40.
The very definition of stress highlights the flow on negative effects of adverse stress. " Stress is the adverse reaction people have to excessive pressure placed on them for extraordinary demands, constraints and opportunities".
You may have seen the Yerkes- Dodson bell curve indicative of the performance deterioration of higher than optimal levels of stress.
Also a report in the British Medical Journal in October 2002 found that workers who spent long hours in high-pressure jobs were twice as likely to die from a heart attack than those working normal hours.
Perhaps an anonymous report to an authority indicating the breach in duty of care towards flight crew, via willful disregard for crew welfare from senior management would do the trick.
An authority outside of Middle East might be the trick. ICAO?, Perhaps the ATSB or U.K CAA would be interested as no-one wants to have an incident/accident on their doorstep.
Good Luck all, I know what it's like to be under the pump.
Stay Safe
You may have seen the Yerkes- Dodson bell curve indicative of the performance deterioration of higher than optimal levels of stress.
Also a report in the British Medical Journal in October 2002 found that workers who spent long hours in high-pressure jobs were twice as likely to die from a heart attack than those working normal hours.
Perhaps an anonymous report to an authority indicating the breach in duty of care towards flight crew, via willful disregard for crew welfare from senior management would do the trick.
An authority outside of Middle East might be the trick. ICAO?, Perhaps the ATSB or U.K CAA would be interested as no-one wants to have an incident/accident on their doorstep.
Good Luck all, I know what it's like to be under the pump.
Stay Safe
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Stress ???
Wait till I tell U something about yr maintenance, than yr stress level is going up to 15
We hire only the best?? BS^10
The best will not come for the current offer, and the few best are left, will run as soon the wheel is once more turning.
Never saw before , so much fear, incompetence, mismanagment and CYA like here. Will never ever listen again to a slogan: we hire the best!!!!!!!!!
Keep discovering
Wait till I tell U something about yr maintenance, than yr stress level is going up to 15
We hire only the best?? BS^10
The best will not come for the current offer, and the few best are left, will run as soon the wheel is once more turning.
Never saw before , so much fear, incompetence, mismanagment and CYA like here. Will never ever listen again to a slogan: we hire the best!!!!!!!!!
Keep discovering
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Stress 1.
I couldn't care less about EK or command anymore. This place is a toilet.
When the economy picks up I will go home a take any jet job. I appreciate the west more after being here.......Quality of life is more important now.
Being a captain in EK doesn't sound like too much fun anyway.
I couldn't care less about EK or command anymore. This place is a toilet.
When the economy picks up I will go home a take any jet job. I appreciate the west more after being here.......Quality of life is more important now.
Being a captain in EK doesn't sound like too much fun anyway.
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2nd from the top bid group this month.
Nothing I was requesting was awarded.
9 days off.
Max 3 days in a row off.
FO pilot meeting. Who cares?
85 hour sked.
Been here about 3 years.
High time Captain at my previous airline but I now require 4000 hours at EK to upgrade because my AC was 2.5 tons on the light side.
I can't give a stresss grade.
According to Emirates I must be to dumb to even count to 10.
Nothing I was requesting was awarded.
9 days off.
Max 3 days in a row off.
FO pilot meeting. Who cares?
85 hour sked.
Been here about 3 years.
High time Captain at my previous airline but I now require 4000 hours at EK to upgrade because my AC was 2.5 tons on the light side.
I can't give a stresss grade.
According to Emirates I must be to dumb to even count to 10.
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Well friends, I'll have to vote between an 5 or 6 ! Why ? At the end of the day, why are we here ??? $$$... Exactly ! Don't worry as it's there airplanes and were the robots that operate/fix them and came here with our vast experience not given by this great company lol... but to shine for them and make it look like we have something to be grateful for... I'm still looking for that something and may find it one day buried somewhere in the sand. 
What I'm trying to say is why stress ourselves out and risk our health for what ? Emirates... Like in other posts as some people have mentioned, it's an revolving circle and what goes around comes around; maybe the long way but things can only get better...
Well we hope. Like the saying goes, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel - let's just hope it's not a train !
What I'm trying to say is why stress ourselves out and risk our health for what ? Emirates... Like in other posts as some people have mentioned, it's an revolving circle and what goes around comes around; maybe the long way but things can only get better... Well we hope. Like the saying goes, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel - let's just hope it's not a train !
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Where is the 1 button???
Sorry guys,
No stress at all here.. I do my job, have a good time flying, although I have to admit it's more often the middle of the night then not, but once I get home, I crack a beer and relax...
Also on the job, there is absolutely no stress involved since I do not care about EK anymore..
Were late? Well so be it.
Sir, we have to wait another 25 minutes for connecting pax.. Sweet L1, can I please have another cup of coffee and a Gulf news?
Captain, we have 1hr delay! Sorry guys, I'm too tired and I won't go into discretion, see you tomorrow or so...
Gents, I do fly as a professional, I never take more fuel than required, I still like to fly.. But I refuse to go the extra mile for EK, I refuse to wind myself up for them, and it actually is a pretty good life out there if you don't...
Try it!!
MR8
No stress at all here.. I do my job, have a good time flying, although I have to admit it's more often the middle of the night then not, but once I get home, I crack a beer and relax...
Also on the job, there is absolutely no stress involved since I do not care about EK anymore..
Were late? Well so be it.
Sir, we have to wait another 25 minutes for connecting pax.. Sweet L1, can I please have another cup of coffee and a Gulf news?
Captain, we have 1hr delay! Sorry guys, I'm too tired and I won't go into discretion, see you tomorrow or so...
Gents, I do fly as a professional, I never take more fuel than required, I still like to fly.. But I refuse to go the extra mile for EK, I refuse to wind myself up for them, and it actually is a pretty good life out there if you don't...
Try it!!
MR8