FD
 

are all of you here latinos? wow-- a lot does happen in QR hrhrhr. Anyone actually flying here? spell-check is built-in in most computers gentlemen. we are an embarrassment to the cabin crew. :E

get away
 

I got to know that one Algerian Capt was terminated for eating on ground in Doha . And another got terminated after C/S reported him that he is rasist all 2004 y . Wht Cpit you want us to belive you that in QR you can get away with sexual harassment ? I dont think so if he is 100% guilty he would be buy buy confirm ticket .
I flown with that P/O she is really below standard and has an atitude she told crew if cockpit aske anything special or do anything not alowed she want to know and she will deal with it in her own way . I was told that after flight by phone of one crew my country mate .
Conifmed she is a bad one Cpit no need to try to protect her .

Blacksteal,

The nap (?), as you call it, was so deep he locked the FO out of the cockpit! You think that's not a safety issue and should have been overlooked? Have you ever had to use the emergency code to get back into the cockpit in flight? The captain's lucky to still have a job.

GB

Hahahahaha thats a good one. But i wouldnt have reported him for that. If your tired your tired. Are you gonna report him for going to the bathroom too much as well.

oryxbollocks
 

I have not heard the nap was this deep!! :eek:
I have not meant it was right or wrong. The discussion here was about being reported or reporting.:E

The discussion is about people being reported for bull**** reasons, blacksteel7. Don't tell me that

does not sound as if you were presuming that the guy was wrong. :hmm:

I do not know that case, I am just commenting your comment.

Rest in a bunk
 

How many hours can you log as a pilot in Qatar Airawys if you rest in bunk?

Xaxa
 

I don't know if the F/O was right or not.I only know that he has reported the Captain.
As I said: "I have not heard the nap was this deep!!:eek:"
:ok:

Steel and Fuba,

How deep does a nap have to be to miss three calls on the door and then still be napping during the emergency code access procedure?

And come off it, if you can't wait a few minutes while the other guy is out of the cockpit to start your controlled rest, then you shouldn't have come to work that day!

Reporting an individual is something but reporting a safety issue is bigger than that.

As I said before, he's lucky to still have a job.

GB

:ugh::ugh::ugh:
Do you think this CPT decided to take a deep sleep intentionally when alone in the Cockpit!! OFF COURSE NOT!!!!
You CAN"T really CONTROL that, if you are dead tired!
Who can come here and pretend "it will never happens to me"!! Not me..We are human not machine!.The question might be WHY he was so tired..? Roster..maybe...!:}

oryxbollocks
 

If you are right!
"How deep does a nap have to be to miss three calls on the door and then still be napping during the emergency code access procedure? And come off it, if you can't wait a few minutes while the other guy is out of the cockpit to start your controlled rest, then you shouldn't have come to work that day!"
Why the management didn't fire this dangerous Captain? :sad:

Oy & Bs7
 

Interesting posts from both. Did the F/O inform the CPT that he was going to be reported, or was it a plain/plane backstab? Next, whenever my colleague leaves the cockpit I strap myself in and go on full alert. (High for me; perhaps not too high for others ...)

I disagree with reporting unless the other party refuses to admit blame or responsibilty. Communicate.

MMMhhh....besides the strapping in, do you put your headset on your head as well when your fellow pilot goes to shake hand with his best friend?

??
 

I'm sorry Snide-trophy what do you mean? Yes, of course perhaps one should wear a headset during times of limited communications. i.e. one set of ears. I am at a loss to understand your meaning.

Oh nothing.....

I just get a bit worried when I see people that tensed up the moment I leave the flightdeck, thats all! Strapped in, headset on, hands on the controls...

Looks like they know something I do not at that moment and it makes it more difficult to control "ye old prostate" when in the lav...:E

Besides that, usually when you ask people why they do that, they tell me" in case of emergency descent, I am all prepared". Q: what is the first thing you do when in emergency descent? A: exactly...you put on your O2 mask and for that you have to take of your headset...!


just my point of view of course...

Totally agree Schneider,

The headset should NOT be worn and as for the shoulder straps, are they expecting to HIT SOMETHING while I'm out of the cockpit?

As far as the other chap was concerned, as I said, if he was that tired, he shouldn't have been at work in the first place. And you don't just nod off curled up in your seat, that's deliberate.

Controlled rest is just that; controlled. Controlled by discussing it with the other pilot, etc.

GB

Both again
 

:) OY headsets should NOT be worn? Dear me. How tense, and how incorrect you are.

Mr Trophy. Well controlled and decent comment. I (sadly) practice things like emergency descents, Headsets on. :8

I was told I need to control my answers more, so I am trying my best!

No joke, as long as you in the same move dont forget to put on your oxygenmask its all fine by me. But DONT forget the O2 mask!

Have you tried wearing that one in cruise as well, when the other guy goes to the loo. Just in case something might happen (only one nose left) you would be all prepared! And it has some nice side effects also (people pay lots of money for a shot of O2 in an ozone bar).

:ok: No Joke. I likewise have always practiced emergency descents with the quick-donning mask straight over the headset. Never a problem.

Record keepers may remember, and new flyers may be interested in some SOP history. Prior to the quick-donning mask, it was mandatory (where I worked) for the PF to fit the mask any time other pilot left the flight deck above FL350 . It remained policy until legislation caught up with the advantages of the new quick-donning technology.

I always put on a headset when the other pilot leaves the flightdeck at any flight level for a completely different reason. TCAS RA. Think it through gentlemen. Can you speak through a handmike whilst using the same hand to meet an RA pitch command? Like kissing your own dick, it is impossible.

Black Stain - your last sentence not entirely true! Although I would have to say that those that can are probably in the movie industry. Hmm, food for thought on a new thread " Who can fly a RA and make a ATC call on a handmike at the same time"!!!

Headset use
 

Agree with Black Stain, the use of O2 during single pilot ops was a mandatory requirement above a certain FL. I remember ours was FL 250 (something to do with the TUC I think). Quick donning mask negated that need.

No matter what the SOP says, I still practice the use of headset, airmanship sake.

So basically gentlemen, what you are saying is that because once upon a time (when quick-donning masks did not exist, carb heaters where still in use on public transport airplanes and an FO was there just to take the weather because CRM was just a three letter code used by the marconist to mail a secret message to his girlfriend) you had to wear the O2 mask when alone in the flightdeck, you are still practicing that procedure today!

That is just GREAT! Just a couple of further questions:

Do you dare to use the Auto thrust on approach or dont you do that as well because it was not recommended to do so on the early EFIS equipped planes?

Do you trust the "GPS PRIMARY" indication of your FMS? 5 years ago there was an OEB from Airbus telling us to disregard the message and to always crosscheck with raw data so maybe you should still do that as well!


I am very sorry, but those remarks just do not cut it for me guys!

If what you are saying would be sooooo important, how come neither Boeing or Airbus even talk about them? Not in their SOPs, not in the FCTM, no where!

TCAS...I just would want to see how many pilots actually make an ATC call while executing the manouevre! Once stabilised, yes, but not during the manouevre itself!

AIRMANSHIP....yeah right...maybe we have different defenitions of airmanship but sitting in the flightdeck , strapped up like a monkey with a headset on your head and probably still reading your newspaper and having a hot cup of coffee in front of you on your table, pretending to be ready for the inevitable (hereby scaring your R1 when she walks in ) just is NOT part of Airmanship for me!

But hey, do as you like I guess. Next time we fly together I WILL take a picture of you!:E

SHNEIDERTROPHY, CASIO MAN, CDRW and BLACK STAIN. The discussion here was about being reported or reporting. Isn't it? :ok:
Or may be you have changed the subject to "the sleeper captain oxygen necessity" . :}

BS7, you keep pushing to get that FO on the list a bit too much, sounds like you have a personal bone to pick with the guy...

This list started by naming people who report their colleagues for bull**** reasons, if you try to get a name on the list because he/she reported someone whose actions negatively effected safety, than I think you are missing the point. :bored:

Again, as I mentioned before, I don't know the details of the story, but think - if the FO had to use the emergency code to enter the cockpit, there is almost 100% probability that the CSD on the flight reported that to her office. Sounds like the guy didn't have that much choice, he would be in trouble for not writning anything.

As for the question if he informed the captain of the report - if he didn't it's not nice. But still I think that situation is not even close to getting someone reported for drinking oj or suspended because of a disagreement with one of "privileged" cabin crew. :suspect:

Yes Black Steel, back to the point of shooting back-stabbers!!

But this falling asleep when alone on the flightdeck is a serious safety issue. It is called the EMERGENCY Access Code for a good reason. The event required reporting somehow and the true villians, Goat Rostering, need a slap. In reality Rostering will be rewarded for maximum crew utilization. But at least there would be a paper trail for newspapers to follow when an accident occurs. We all keep copies of every ASR yes?

The Captain should have been mature enough to report the event himself.

The First Officer could only be criticized for not telling the Captain about the report, if that part is true.

No-one suggested that Shneidertrophy. We are trained in the SIM for TCAS RA as dual crew. Think it through, it would be very messy solo without headsets on.

FCOM and SOP are the minimum standard and do not cover everything. For example, stall recovery is not a recall item because the aircraft cannot be stalled in Normal Law. Should a pilot wait until Alternate Law activates before reviewing the procedure? Should he ask the other pilot to read it out for him during stall?

You will love this one. When operating at a procedural airport I preset RNP NAV on something useful. Or should I wait until both FMGC fail?

If someone does something that does not compromise FCOM or SOP but enhances safety I say "good work". One pilot at work wears NOMEX underwear. For me that's too far, but I do not criticize. Being critical of safe action would be poor airmanship.

The Axiom: Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

flight deck and cabin crew
 

When I was at QR I remember working with some very very nice Flight deck crew but on the other hand there were a small percentage of Flight deck crew who were just awful. Why certain individuals were awful just baffled me, I think its like some sort of power struggle.

I also remember one certain CSD (a very nice lady) who was on a full Doha - Cairo flight on the A300. The captain insisted on having an expresso coffee during turn around, the CSd realised that there was only a few expresso capsules left for the coffeee machine and she then told the Captain that she could make him another cofee as the few capsules left would probably be used in the premium cabins for the passenger use.

To cut a long story short, the Captain went mad with the CSD, CSD was upset and it ended up getting back to the office.

The whole point of this story is that I noticed that the cabin crew were mentioned as reporting colleagues to the office (in other terms being a grass). I would like to say that during my time at QR it wasnt always the Cabin Crew who would run back to the office, sometimes the way the Cabin Crew were treated was appauling, I was one of them on a flight to Karachi, on the A320 when a certain captain would not speak to me because he knew I was gay, I was the CS and to be snubbed by a captain infront of the whole crew was just disgusting so I put pen-to-paper and I am glad I did because not only was his treatment towards me totally unprofessional it was also a safety issue. I actually stated in my complaint that the Captain should read up on the Kegworth disaster (British Midland crash at EMA)

To my horror, I actually heard from a fellow CSD who was operating a BKK flight that the Captain said: "I do not want a male serving me, get me one of the Thai girls to serve me".........

I think that some of the reporting back to the office is justified, again, this type of behaviour is totally unprofessional. Its sad to have to resort to reporting others but on the other hand it is sometimes justified.

Hi guys,

let me just say, im kinda shocked by what im hearing here. Im a wanabe pilot and Im trying desperately to get into the Etihad Cadet Pilot program. I was thinking of applying as cabin crew in the meantime, cause flying is simply my passion, its my life. But after what I read here, it'll probably be better if I applied as cabin crew for an airline other than Qatar Airways. I am also very very glad that the Flight deck crew are united and work together, it makes me want to become a pilot even more(hard to imagine lol). Hope to work with you in the skies one day guys!!

CheerZ

Aviate, navigate, communicate
 

And exactly in this order. Yes there was some ancient FAA regulation concerning oxygen mask when the other pilot was away. That is finished. Also there is no real need for headsets, if you have a TCAS you are busy flying, after TCAS action there is plenty of time to talk. And yes, I hate too it if some bloke suddendly goes to sleep without announcing it, there are proper procedures for controlled rest. There is however still no need to snitch, talk to the Captain directly.

strength..

I agree with some parts...I have spend the last decade in the flight deck trying to educate my partners of how to treat other and to act as a leader.

You see it's all come from the education you receive..:ugh: But for some people who as been raise giving order to the maid and treat them like s***t it's an uphill road.

I never been reported and I have what's available for me ALWAYS maybe because I lead by example. Respect is something you earn not impose.

On occasion I had to interfere with crew on the back because they want to report someone, all but one time it never left the aircraft.

So the point is to try to solve the problem by talking with the people and understanding there point of view, dealing with the problem as adult (professional) listening is the key. After all who's the leader???

I don't say that we don't have bad apple among us who try to go up in grade by back stabbing others but they are a minority and should be deal with accordingly.

Think of it that ways there must be a reason why the guy on the 9th floor hate us. Do your job properly and leave your god complex at home, you will be treated as you treat your crew

sorry guys but the justification about the TCAS RA is totally rubbish!! if at cruising altitude you're getting a RA, it means your situation awearness is just not there!!! ATC should have been notified way long before an A/C gets that close to you or something should have been done way long before you do get into that situation. At all other flight phases ie climb & decend, take off & landing both guys should be in the flightdeck anyways!!! so trying to say putting on your headset helps here just doesn't make sense to me, infact it scares me to hell seeing my crew do that as it shows me he/she doesn't know why or what their doin. an old wise guy once said....monkey see monkey do....

Schneidertrophy and all the others who still don't understand the importance of interaction with ATC should definitely be reported for unprofessional behaviour and poor airmanship. And I don't mind if it's the CSD who does it...:suspect:

Just "survived" a descent RA. One guy descending on top of our heads (closest 1NM, 200ft), another guy 2000ft below could be turned out of the way by the ATCO sparing him an RA and us a second one... Radar update is only 5 times per minute so the controller wouldn't have know what was happening if it hadn't been for our magic immediate transmission "TCAS RA"! So I think all the astronauts who still think that in today's environment it's enough to just fly the plane and only consider ATC once they feel like it and they have a hand free, should definitely retire soon. They are a real danger to aviation.

Or maybe there is a chance they might be capable of adjusting their attitude once they have been reported by some junior F/A with a PPL :E

Spot on Black Stain. I like your professional attitude and I can somehow guess why you didn't feel at home in Akbar's flying circus...:ok:

Spare the panic
 

As discussed above, in the descent both guys are in the cockpit, in cruise the ATC won't really help you in a RA event, it's your job to react quickly.

Flyer
 

Nicely said. As with Black Stain and NoJoke I wear my headset. Not only for your reason above, but because I am fed up with shouting myself hoarse and having to answer the radio for the wombat next to me with his speaker up; NOT wearing his headset because he doesn't want to ruffle his graceful locks. :ugh:

Flyer....


Go and report me....Go boy GO! Great attitude!

How funny it is to see how easy you ladies get onto your high horses!

Ladies....:ooh:

Don't tell my dad that he has a daughter now;
he's still convinced that he actually has a son who's flying a nice Air Bus :}

Well Schneider, maybe you're complete lack of situational awareness gets you reported more than others... :oh:
Though I happen to know that most of your previous posts are actually spot on and sadly enough reflecting the reality in this crazy flying outfit. Keep the blue side up and beware of all the brownnosers behind the cockpit door!;)

Peace :ok:

Guys if you want, you can wear your headsets to the toilet, bottom line what counts is what the SOP/FCTM says.

Back to the topic
 

Ey guys, can anybody update the list of REPORTERERS:yuk:, or spy in the :mad:skys.
Regards

list
 

Yea keep a list going thats the only way .
Seams that the list is blocked or any post about it is deleted . Maybe we should move to some other web forum or to to the qrblacklist one .
Where is the guy who told us he will do forum for QR ??

I am still here!

Dont worry it will be done soon, Sorry it's taken a while been a bit busy. :ok:

would any of you who are defending the captain for sleeping in the cockpit or bashing the first officer for reporting this incident to the company like to have your family riding in the back of the airplane with this captain?