:ooh: Just looked at the list............

First day I met this guy,something was doggy!
Someone stop this cheat before innocent souls are killed.
Should be locked up and stripped off all his credentials.
Old saying....cover up one lie will take you ages!

OK Alloha, thanks for all these details.
what is the medium flight time a month, on narrow and wide body ?
Salary calculation is not easy. Some guys say basic salary could be quickly increased by a factor of 2. And do you know the lay over duration on a long haul flight, LAX, JFK....or medium (CDG, LHR...) ?
Many tanks !

flyingbusy:


What you have heard is only part of the story. Your basic salary is relatively low. It is then very fleet dependent whether you improve significantly on the basic salary or not. The 777 and the A320 do well, but the guys on these fleets complain they work too hard with lots of minimum rest and few days off. The A330 is probably the worst where you work a lot but fly few hours. The embraer and 747- Don't expect much more than the basic salary. 777 layovers generally are minimum i.e. JFK- 24 hours or less, LAX- 48 hours (I think), LHR-24 hours.

If there is no scope for a 777 FO to be illegible for command for something like 10 yrs in sauida I guess one should try for either emirates or qatar as they offer more than saudi in terms of living conditions, command opportunity, quality of life, etc

@captainpluto. Well EK not anymore. With 6-8 years for command u can stay in SV for 3 years and then have a fast upgrade in other airlines.and of course its not only matter of salary but also matter of spending. The cost of living in Dubai or Doha is much higher than in JED . In SV u make more and you spend less. Way less to be precise

Todays rumor is that the contract for US medical insurance has expired and wasn't renewed on time. So effective midnight, no one has US medical insurance.

That really is going to inspire new hires !

It doesn't inspire new US hires even with US insurance. Too many time zones and families not willing. Mainly from other parts of the world:)

My 2 cents for my 2 years
 

My overall evaluation after 2 years as Capt.
Soon my contract will end and on my side I will not renew it.
Saudia is a good airline if you land here at your 55/56 and dont have any expectations.

Pro's:
Salary, cockpit environment.
Good equipment

Con's:
-Lines and pairing often changed without notice
if u have a good pairing, be ready that will be changed to 4 legs night flights because someone else with a good wasta want it.
- days off:before/ after you will always have late /early flights and you will be stucked in jed.
-family accomodation: since 1 years no more family accomodation for new joiners. Hotel down town or Motel in compound.
The general system managing the airline is very old: bidding, trades, tech log/mel, dispatch system.
-your base is Jed but you will stay 98% in Riyadh in an isolated Hotel with junk food.
-Not a single expat Capt got a fleet change to wide body, and it will not be in the future as per recent confirmed managment decision.
-Not a single expat F/o got command upgrade.

Most of the pilots are here for money.
Few pilots are leaving because at the end very few are joining
The most senior remains.
Life/family style is very poor.

Hope will help

Alloha:
Careful of the advice you're giving there. There may? In the past have been an extremely small number of expat upgrades but these were in accordance with the company seniority list. If you believe that the Saudi f/o's are going to accept some kind of super seniority with regard to upgrade when many have been with the company for 12 to 15 years and are still waiting, then you are living in dreamland. Have you heard of Saudiisation. It's a big deal here.

Reality check: there will be upgrades and they will be in accordance with seniority.

Thank you everyone especially Mutt for clearing out all the doubts for the new FO's joining Saudia. As Ethiad not hiring at the moment, the choice is clearly EK/QR over Saudia. Even if the pay is less one can enjoy more in Dubai with a drink or two and freedom which will add more colour to life rather getting paid more but not being happy at the end of the day in Jeddah. A astronaut might be paid millions but is it of any use to him up in the space? Just a thought.

Regards

Thank you polax52,
May be rosters will be different with the integration of new 777F ?
I heard that a part of new hired on T7 would be based in Riyad, flying on passenger and cargo.
Lots of opinions about SV. With good and moderate...
But conditions look to be quite accepable if not perfect. What do you think about that ?
And, with the expension of the fleet ; to move to the left seat could be faster.

No No and No. All upgrades will be according to seniority and yours will SUCK, you will be number 8-900 in the First Officers list. There is a steady stream of Saudi college graduates about to start returning, they will take a lot of the A320 training capacity, leaving less places for upgrades.

Present FO's with over 10 years service are getting bypassed due to Saudiization, they were promised left seat A320, but it doesnt appear to be happening.

Last Mainline FO's to upgrade were about 5 years ago.

Strangely enough a lot of people are extremely happy here, its all relative to how many days you get to spend in the Sahara :)

Upgrades
 

Polax, i never said something different than 10-12 years minimum for upgrade. practically means that forget it. If you wanna join do it for 3 years of well paid experience in the T7 ( with all the obvious Cons) and then find something else for a command upgrade

Sorry Alloha, I misunderstood...

Is there any such understanding in Saudia that for on 777 Arab P1-P2 fly together on most of the occasions and expat P1-P2 are paired together?

captainpluto- I don't think so...

Where did you get that sort of idea from? Flights are bid as part of a line, they aren't bid with a flying partner as is the case with Flight Attendants. Therefore the crew mix is the luck of the draw.

Saudia first officer 777
 

Hello guys, I just sent through my application to saudia to this address [email protected] is this the correct email? Please advise.

Saudia is is my last choice of airline of preference mainly due to no upgrade to captain, I have applied to my first choice etihad and second qatar in that order.

I have 3405 hours total with 1729 on B737 efis as first officer. I have just been upgraded to captain on the dash 8q400 at my present airline. However my heart is with long haul wide body flying. I am 32 years.

What do you guys think? Think of using saudia as stepping stone if it comes first to get on the 777 then move to somewhere I can upgrade,qatar or etihad.
Thanks in advance for your comments.

Dabo i suggest you built some left seat hours on the Q400 and in the sandpit things will go easy for you especially in QR or EY.However i was never aware that saudia don't upgrade expats to left seat