Emirates DEC
 

Any word on sim ride at Emirates DEC loft?

I will be very surprised if you get any replies since all the f/o's there are already plunging needles into a tiny voodoo doll with you likeness!!!!
But anyway as I understand it is a pretty straight forwards sim ride. So all the best.

Just stay away from here, 3 year Fo are getting delay for command because of you. get lost.

Yes........ the DEC sim ride is on an A343. You get one fault prior to push, and then one on taxi, then an engine failure at V1 out of Johannesberg. Then shortly after you are starting climb to acceleration height you get another engine failure on the same side. (max weight)

Then the Purser comes up and says there is a drunk pax who was caught fondling a local boy. Then SMNC calls you on ACARS and is wondering about your dual engine failure, just about the time you are struggling with control of the aircraft.

Then your wife calls you on the new EK cell phone system questioning you about this Lebanese chick who called that evening asking for you.

Then the F/O sitting beside you, who happens to be waiting for his command a year after the FOM said he would get it............ gives you a look. And since you are American, you calmy ask........... YA'LL with me now?? To which his furrows his brow and watches you fly into the terrain. The moment before impact (in the sim), you get on the radio and calmly state, in your best Chuck Yeager voice............ K, undershtand..... cleared down 240, roger that !!!

Fortunately since Captain American is evaluating you, he faults the FO and writes him up while commending you on your excellent CRM abilities.

OH wait, sorry, that is the sim ride minus the evaluation, for the average FO here. YOU will get a VFR circuit and an ECAM cabin fan fault. Hope you can handle that one! JUST STATE " ECAM actions, YOU have control." Don't get yourself into a situation where you actually have to show your handling skills. THen again, based on your totally disrespectful and uninformed question, YOU might not want to do much talking in the sim or the interview for that matter.

I can't believe it. :ugh: The guys in Fleet did it again and screwed up the crewing/upgrades once more?
I wonder what they do the whole day up there. No doubt : Another masterpiece of modern Indian planning.

I feel really sorry for the guys being shafted... once more.
I start wondering what would have happened if the fatty Bus would have been delivered on time......

First Officers considering applying : you have been warned.
again.

Don't wory about it to much, you'll do fine. Welcome! Can't wate to fly with you!

Shame on you guys. Its the System. He is just a colleague looking for a job.

I hope i will never fly with somebody with an attitude like this.

It would be a fairly basic scenario. They are looking for good crm and some decent RT wouldn't hurt either....

The DEC is a volitile subject ( obviously ), but the boys from the States would understand why que jumping and out of seniority movement is such a toxic subject.

In the end, it is the ek system

HAHAHAHAHAHAH! I nearly choked on my Muesli at mensaboy's post!

mensaboy,

How many times have you been bitch slapped in the cockpit?

Ah "mensaboy?" did the nice gentleman asking a simple question touch a nerve?

For peps like me not in Mensa, the DEC thing on the face is tough on FOs already here, however, EK is a business not a charity organisation. To wit there is a little thing called insurance. The premiums for a wide body with a recently upgraded Capt crewed with a brand new on type FO are truly astronomical.

SIA have been doing the same thing for years (20+) trying to up the experience levels overall to keep the premiums down. Yes I know a fair number of FOs have had previous commands, but any promise from any manager is like a tampon...............always has strings attached.

Secondly training costs double if you upgrade all your fos and then train new ones.

Without meaning to sound trite, where in the FOM does it say life is fair, it's not, never has been, never will be.

That being the case you can let life's injustices eat you up or file them in the life experience file and move on.............and yes I have also been screwed in aviation more than once but the sun still comes up the next day.

Seriously "Mensa" good luck when your upgrade when it comes.:ok:

Alwayz

Unbe****inglievable. Brian, give it a rest, buddy. They love you lots already in at EGHQ. You don't need to strain your creative juices to this this degree of imbecility to curry more favour with them.

Quick question: just how many Pprune identities do you have?

I'm afraid this is one of things of our industry that gets me going.

Would a Senior Hospital Consultant that has to move house for family reaons or whatever be expected to start at his new Hospital as a junior House Dr.?

To all the EK F/O's waiting for their commands - most of you will one day be a Capt but are you going to stay in EK until you reach retirement age. Maybe some will but it seems like a long time doesn't it so my guess is many of you won't.

After 5 or 10 years or more LHS on your 777 or 340 or whatever else turns up, will you be marketing yourself as a F/O when you want to leave?

I think not...............!

So get over this DEC thing - everyone in the LHS has been through what you are going through somewhere in their career.

Listen, I don't hold it personally against DEC's who come here with a decent attitude. Clearly 767Jock has no clue how SHE is disenfranchising (latest US garble word) the FO's here.

She pissed people off because she comes across as one of those potential DEC's who have benefited from strick union seniority rules and now feels it is acceptable to come to an airline that should never have started a DEC policy in the first place.

Would it be so difficult to start off by saying.... ''Hey my apologies to those whose upgrades are being delayed by this insane policy....... but if they don't hire me, they will hire someone else. Any info avail. on the sims? Much appreciated.'' Tact works a great deal better than arrogance.
DEC based in Chicago flying 767's, female.

Potential F/O's, you have been warned. ~1000 F/O's here now, ~double the fleet in 6 years? ~ 30 DEC's a year Do the math ! Seems to me that in the long run, upgrade timeframes are going to vastly increase.

Then again, F/O's hired in the last 3 years should have known the consequences of the policy so I will stop defending them and stop bitching about what I believe to be the stupidest policy this company has ever instituted.

Bring on the DEC's, I really don't care anymore.

:E
Some seem not to realise that some FOs over here are in their mid 40s and have +10K hours and +10Y command and take the pain in the RHS knowingly that they will get their command back eventually. Poor guys.

Anyway for new joiners... If you get an EK contract and you are sheduled to start on the Bus: Things don't look good for you...
I would start exercising those back mussels and getting ready to bend over ALL THE TIME.

Anyway you will have other issues on your mind after you join... You'll be glad your family survives the accommodation mess over here. :cool:

DEC positions
 

MENSABOY. I'm wondering what your back ground is? Were you a part of a failing company? Have you been a widebody Captain, LCA, TRE for the last 13 years? How about the American furlough pilot at EK that has had his upgrade delayed by the company. How about the UAE captain that had an unstabilized approaches 2 times and they said, "Don't do that my friend"? Also, KAL, Jet Airways is hiring DEC. Seems like the way it is in the ME and Far East. Im not saying its right but, it's the way it is. Your right I changed my mind, thank you. I am now going to apply for a regional jet copilot job with a 2000 wonder captain for $600 a month.

That is the best you can do 767Jock. You have to be kidding. I somewhat felt bad after slamming you based on your insensitive and ill-informed post but now I am thinking I hit the nail on the head.

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''How about the American furlough pilot that has had his upgrade delayed by the company. ''

My god girl.......... do you not see the irony in your statement? Seriously, you might want to go back and delete that portion of your post. Honestly, ''how about the American furlough pilot that (which should in fact be.. WHO) has had his upgrade delayed by the company. WOW !!!

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How about the UAE captain that had an unstabilized approaches 2 times and they said, "Don't do that my friend"?

What are you talking about? Thanks for showing your ignorance, please keep posting. The one and only Captain who did 2 unstabilized approaches on the same day(as I recall about 5 years ago) GOT FIRED !!! In fact, he wasn't even flying if memory serves me correctly. His fault lay in not ''covering his ass with an ASR''. So what exactly is your point? Let me guess.......... WE NEED THE EXPERIENCE OF FLYING GENIUSES LIKE YOU to avoid further incident, hahaha.

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''Also, KAL, Jet Airways is hiring but, with your attitude good luck getting hired. Mr. Professional.''


Are you from some other planet? What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that EK DEC's are in the same realm of requirement as KAL DEC's ???

It is so funny reading posts from idiots with a smidge of information, who can't be bothered to delve into issues more. Then again based on your anemic response, I know that I lucked out in my assessment of you.

I truly was feeling a bit sheepish for slamming you, I mean really, your first post was one sentence. Now I am relieved that I was correct.

I think we have a possible candidate for Ms Captain America. Stunned, in her own world, knowing little of consequence and only thinking of herself. Congrats you 13 year LCA, TRE, Captain. Clearly we should be thankful to have the likes of you to save us from ourselves !! Nice attitude.

Soon , very soon, Ek will have more US pilots than any other group. It will be very interesting to see how things change within the whole company. All we can get now are RJ pilots. If we are lucky 372 guys

Sounds like 767jock is another of United's crack aviators. It is a very real possibility that the only reason she got hired there in the first place was because she had low time and was female. Although Chicago and the 767 she could be at American. Affirmative action at it's best!

You got alot of balls lady to tell an EK pilot how it is at Emirates. You don't know squat!

And while you are at the accusation stage, do not forget the Delta DEC that was demoted to the right seat (actually he was fired but then reinstated as an F/O) for the unstabilized approach into Nice. And do not forget the NW DEC that came so close to being EK's first accident in Damascus due to an unstabilized approach. He is now a F/O as well.

My point is you are making a huge mistake by coming here as a DEC with attitude. You will never make it through training. You have also put a target on your back by being so vocal with that same attitude. Don't forget that there are many pilots in the training department here that had upgrades delayed by the DEC program. If they have read this thread they will be waiting for you with baited breath. And you will not be too hard to pick out of the crowd.

As an american I am telling you. You need to loose the American "bluster". It won't fly in the desert. If you want to fly for Ek then by all means do. I came as a F/O being just as qualified and experienced as you. You should do the same.

330 man

Pick a Nationality.....
 

Pick a nationality.....north, south, east or west or even ground zero. Emirates has lost them all over the years. Doesn't matter where you're from, just matters what you do!:ok:

All Upgrade courses have been cancelled for the summer according to a reliable source at Mission Control. Too many Captains apparently, not enough trainers and the ever increasing requirement to train US RJ FO's.

The best that we can probably manage this year is to recruit 400 pilots based on present recruitment rates. Even then we are stretched.

Good news is, courses have been scheduled for after the summer.

I agree it will be interesting - as it was first time EK employed a large group of Americans.

Most EK drivers here will be too young to remember I.K., probably the most "stellar" of the stars of the first lot of DECs EK employed from the land of Mom an' Apple Pie. He too, eventually received the (apparently coveted) DCM (=don't come Monday) award from EK, but as far as the hapless FOs who had to fly with him and hold his hand, about three years after he should have.

Others will remember the other American DEC who changed villas so many times, the company put a stop to it, forbidding everyone from doing what, until that one individual screwed it for everybody, had been a particularly popular perk of the job - the ability to do a villa swap or move by mutual consent.

That same individual took it upon himself to rip up the astro turf his neighbour had laid on the roof of his garage a day or two after the neighbour moved out, leaving the place in a terrible mess - and the fellow who moved out responsible for the repair as far as the Housing Dept was concerned. The result? Housing Department now insist a villa or apartment must be left in EXACTLY the state it was in when you moved in. All improvements MUST be removed - with no exceptions. All thanks to that one individual.

767jock, (BTW, that's a very gender-confused 'handle'), I think you should "come on down" to EK. With the attitude you've displayed on this thread so far, you'll fit very snugly into the mould some of your countrymen have made for themselves here.

What is your union doing against that DECs hiring???:suspect::}:}

Maybe there will be a "US Navy Veteran" Basecap for everyone instead of a payrise :ok:

Do be honest I am a bit surprised about the obviously high failure rate of DECs!
Thought training at NW/DL is of the same standard like at LH/BA/AF!
"Leaving level 11 thousand for level 25"O" or confirming a takeoff clearance just by saying "roger" is kind of unprofessional but, I thought the safty culture and the level of training is very similar!
Are EK expectations so much higher than with EU or US majors?
What is the "normal" background of an EK DEC?
Is there in explanation for the failure rate of DECs?

You are saying that the US training level is similar to other main players. Maybe yes, but a lot of DECs were trained only on narrow bodies, with their engagement profile, or even only on RJs.
I know these jockeys don't like to hear this, but it sure makes a difference how many tons you haul, for how far and into what environement.
There lies the biggest obstacle to overcome and the main criticism from FOs about working with such DECs.

Well GMDS, I always figured that if you fly the MCP/FCU with the A/P, or manually with the stick, the rest of the aeroplane FOLLOWS - be it 370 tonnes , 180 tonnes or 45 tonnes - or even a Navajo!!!!!!
Get over your weight problem. Flying is not rocket science - just that a fair few at EK make it out to be.... "Ok, Dubai - cat A airfield, terrain to the south (this on a gin clear day?), etc etc etc"
I will agree that environment makes a difference.

Brian?
 

Hey "Mensa"

Brain? or Brian ?

Not even warm :ok:

Alwayz

.... and let Granny drive the 40ton 18-wheeler! It's no different to her Corolla, ain't it? We heard similar BS before, from someone higher up.
Just read the weekly incident reports and count the number of unstabilised approaches. "Short radar vectors" - my a$$ - sounds like a ME blaming game where the author is in it for nothing.

Again, I am not tarnishing anyone, everybody will eventually end up a good pilot. All it takes is adequate training and experience, and that is blatantly missing. Without, they are simply not yet up to the task. Those who ridicule this, for whatever reason, might just qualify.

A license to drive an HGV - 40 tonne truck - is VERY different from your average 'corolla' license. I know that from experience with big 18 wheelers... Besides, the new rigs being 'drive by wire' - yep, I'll bet my gran could drive one..

Flying very well, very averagely or very poorly largely boils down to ABILITY - although good training and experience can mitigate this to an extent... You can go through the EK 'rocket science by oz-mates' training school and still only be a fairly average aviator (whatever your background) - I've flown with some guys recently who make you sit up just that little straighter if you know what I mean:\

I do have to say in defense of the RJ guys. Anyone who slags them off should try what they were doing, be it in europe or north america. Someone was peeing their pants about an autoland in Perth below limitsor some bull****?....Why dont you try hand flying a Cat 3A off a HUD in a 20 kt crosswind. No autothrottle, manual go around in an aircraft that wants to dive when you apply GA thrust (different thrust couple from the biggies chaps). Yes you do get Cat 3 wx with that kind of wind in some places in the world maties. 5 legs a day, blah blah blah.

Why not show a bit of respect? Some didnt learn to fly in a jumbo.

Wow...although I have no interest flying in the Middle East, but come on guys, airplane's an airplane. It has engine(s) and wings. It's not that difficult to learn how to fly one - be it a little RJ or a jumbo jet. Actually, I felt the 777 and 744 were easier to fly than a turboprop...

Ok Peter.

I always said, i do not belittle anyone. The RJ guys have done their part, agreed. We've all heard the tales about LCY and what it took to fly it.
Now just how would these RJ jockeys react, if i'd pretend that because i am a heavy jockey, i'd be able to switch seats and fly such approaches like a dream in a RJ80??? .... They always say "...nahhhh, it really takes some training, adaption and experience to be able to wrestle these birds down into the city ......." -- Aha! --

Every operation is different. That's my point: A RJ, even a 73 or 320 skipper is not just born to take a -500 or -300ER seat due to his ability.
IMHO it is bad practice to take DECs who have not flown similar equippment or in similar environement. It is per definition NOT Direct entry.

Indeed GMDS - I'm generally in agreement about that:ok:

GMDS / White Night

"Every operation is different. IMHO it is bad practice to take DECs who have not flown similar equippment or in similar environement. It is per definition NOT Direct entry."

Well said! Absolutely right. :D

It goes to say "Good practice to take DECs who HAVE flown similar equipment or in similar environement" It is then a defination FOR DIRECT entry CMD...right!! :ok:

Any problem there dear AVIATORS ????

Happy and safe flying.!!

Except for the F/O's who are waiting for their courses MR VERTIGO.....

Get a grip man:yuk:

Edited to add: Experience on type and routes doesn't always count, when you've not got the ability. I did have a couple of fun trips with a couple of the first DEC's back in '04. All that 330/340 time they had - they may as well of been flying kites:eek: Oh yeah, they had that magic 10000 hrs that aar so covets:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Two points.
 

1. Dear Capt Doe.
I tend to agree with the " An airplane is an airplane" So could you explain why all the US majors pay a 777 diver a lot more than the regional’s pay an E145 driver for as you guys say in the states “I have no clue!”

2. Also whilst agreed the East coast in the winter can be a challenge it is also fair to say you have numerous options (airfields) if diversion is required.

It's not really the same flying over K2 and having an engine failure and then trying to explain to the DEC where the engine out drift down options are located in the manuals that some (Due arrogance) have neglected to read.

As I have said before, not all are bad but the ones that come here with attitude are dangerous. Even more so because they don’t even know they are dangerous.

Now EK is to blame for the ridiculous policy but the DEC’s are also responsible for their attitude. Gents try treading lightly and acting professionally(Some not All). Again the ones that should take this advise are the ones that will ignore it
Billy

Emirates DEC
 

Dear Mr Swish,

In view of some of your previous posts;

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"I come from Eastern Europe

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In view of these wonderful and highly informative and I must say intelligently constructed Posts. :yuk: We can all probably assume that you are a 44 year old Eastern European (previously rejected by E.K.). A highly experienced expatriat B767 Pilot with more than 6,ooo hours :ooh: who hates everything to do with India (and F/O's :uhoh:). And above all - with one HUGE CHIP on your shoulder.

I am sure our undeserving and highly under experienced F/O's will really enjoy a shafting from the likes of you BUDDY.

Enjoy the "Fun Fun Fun" in the 3rd World mate, coz with your attitude that's exactly where you will probably still be in 7 years!

I doubt very much that you can even spell C.R.M. :yuk::yuk::yuk: :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Hmmm, if this is the DEC recruitment policy, it needs to be changed, pronto.
SV, as one example, years ago required from DEC applicants minimum 3000 hours command in 4-engine heavy jets, prior to being selected...and no, any military flying didn't count.

Putting small airplane drivers into quite large airplanes can be done, but the training costs can go waaay over budget....and usually do.

Mr Swish
 

You really are not the sharpest tool in the box are you. Most people would have stopped digging but not you.
So now we know who you are, I suggest that some of those disadvantaged F/o's on the bus are now trainers on the Bus and quite capable of reading PPRUNE. Even more will become trainers and most will have very long memory's.

I hope you enjoy your Sim check rides with these guys, I'm sure it'll be real FUN showing them how much your 767 time counts for nothing on an EK BUS.

Tread carefully or expect to be back flying 767's on 6 month temporary contracts out of china, sooner than you expected!

Billy