The Etihad Package...
 

I have just been informed by the Wifee that the fees for my 5 year old at the British school this coming year will be 45,000dhs.

Checking my schooling allowance I see I am entitled to 25,000dhs per year. So I am short more or less 3,000 pounds!

Regarding the accommodation allowance, what can you get now for 115-120,00dhs? Dip all. Definitely no little villa or nice town house, two beds in a tower block & you'll be lucky to get parking. The available housing in Abu Dhabi is very low.

Coupled with the 30% increase in food prices last year, the perennial 5-10% rental increases and of course the US dollar things are grim.

Is it just me? It seems every time I turn around something or other has gone up 25%

I really hope the salary/package starts playing catch up soon. The way I see it the numbers are not adding up too good at the moment.

It won't my friend, it never did in the past.....

No need as their roadshows had so many attendants.

In the meantime A330 and A320 pilots fly like carzy...

So much as we are supposed to be fat on crews....

Nobody is leaving and people are still coming, why should they bother ???

Except that standards are running low, and incidents are more and more common.......

The housing situation is a complete disaster and exemplifies the greed and lack of care of EY's crews and employees exhibited by their incompetant management.

Right now there is not enough housing for crew and pilot's. The company is in the process of renting apartment buildings in Musafah. Look it up on google earth. Musafah is the slum the city built to house all the low income workers just off the island. There is nothing there but metalworks and garages. This would not even be akin to living in Sharjah if you where an EK pilot.

After nearly 5 years in operation they still don't know what to do about housing. The main problem is no one is spending the money to solve the problem. 4 years ago when they ordered 50 aircraft they needed to start building accom for 5000 employees. What have they done, nothing. What are they planning...nothing. This summer we can expect another huge aircraft order plus the additional 20 A320. They need accom for 17000 people by 2012 and they cant even cope with the current 7000 staff.

The latest big developement... all the pilots who just moved into Raha gardens and were told the company have signed three year leases where lied to (again). The company will not renew the AED240 000 leases on these flats and they will have to move again in 10 months. No one in housing or HR warned them it was only a one year temporary fix so all the money they spent on moving,landscaping buying curtains etc. is lost. At best ,in one more year with another 450 pilot's coming this year, these pilot's can hope for is to be offered a flat in the Musafah area. No park's, no shops, thousands of workers... the families will love it.

This is ETD management in normal mode, this is what you can expect from them, lies and dissemination, no forward planning just the all consuming desire to make as much money as they can during there limited tenure and screw those of us who where trying to make a career here.

If only the Sheicks would wake up and see what a legacy these people that they have hired will leave their National Airline in.

"Abandon all hope all ye who enter here"

Let this be a warning to all prospective EY joiners!

Flying for this lot will cost you money, if you have a half decent job at home stick with it!.
Even paying tax in Europe I would be better off at home...just updated the CV so I am trying to find something back in Europe.

This place has great potential but under the current leadership the conditions and morale are very poor...and there is no sign of things improving.
There are some great people in EY its a shame we have pr##ks in charge :rolleyes:

EY will just have to wake up.. EK are gonna pay out a MASSIVE bonus.. my mates getting around 120,000 yes ONE HUNDRED and TWENTY THOUSAND...

At least fix the package a weeee bit..

Etihad Package
 

Easy to describe. I can even do it in one word :

****

if you want housing update; have you seen that big new ugly building in mussafa? this is where they plan to put pilots with their family.. :bored: welcome to the national crap of abu dhabi... this is the best they can do for us otherwise they might not get their bonus!!! :D

What about bases.........

green lake towers
 

There is an on-going deal between owners of appartments in the green lake towers ( opposite dubai marina) and emirates holidays is renting it to at least 100 pilots in the waiting of finding them a place to live.
These are beautifull appartments that Ek is probably paying peanuts for but... this is a construction camp.

I own one of these appartment like many other ek pilots. Incoms will be **** thrust me:yuk:

all very well and good but what does this have to do with EY pilots????:D

Scooter....bases will never happen!

If it ever did you would be killed in the rush!:}....

This will be your new home. Not built yet on this map...

But around here...

24°22'12.21"N
54°32'27.10"E

REFUSE this at all costs!

Some other news, in the press today!

Rent climbed 17% in Abu Dhabi

I looked but I saw nothing but dirt!! It did look as if there was "some" construction going on.

Google Earth is outdated. There is a huge shopping complex with apartments on top, something like Gotham City in Batman (goes with a Black A320 Batmobile that even a parking lazer can't detect). The pits!

Far from nowhere and ontop of the industrial side of the city. A last resort.

A tent in the desert would be more interesting, exciting, cleaner and have more character!

If EY want to achieve long term expansion plans and become a global airline like EK they have to solve serious problems like housing. The simple truth is that if crews or their families are not happy they will leave.

If they invest in the construction of a large Etihad compound with 500-700 villas it will in the longrun prove to be cost effective, keep families happy, avoid local landlords blackmailing the airline and become a huge asset for the company.

All that is required is some vision and forward planning.

Forwhat planwhat ?????????

seems like i'd made a right decision not to leave my country for EY not so long ago, after a deep thought of the pros n cons, rain n shines still best in my beloved country, even though i'm being paid peanuts in term of the current aviation standard, the utmost importance of all, i'm happy with my family....:)

Congrats , Mate .

BE Happy and you can spread the word it aint the place to come with this COMIC Management we have .

The Working environment ,I mean Flt deck is Great . bUT TOP SENIOR HOGANS HEROES COMEDIANS just S U C K :=.

Tell every one not everything that shines is promising !!!!!

hear ye, hear ye, hear ye.....
ey is terrible. ts and cs are terrible. crews overworked and lied to. f/as are abused. housing may as well be in tents in the deserts. promises are broken. run by showboating jhogans thieves. f/os are lowest paid in the region. captains not far behind. office staff hate flight crews. annus horriblus last year and will continue this year. bonuses for sports sponsorships only not crew. evacuate evacuate evacuate.

If the situation is so bad, why I can't see thread about etihad exodus?

How long would they bond me as A-330/340 F/o?
Do they fly 330/340 with two pilots or three?
Can I expect company ticket to EU?

crewing for middle eastern airlines
 

"Do they fly 330/340 with two pilots or three?"

Actually its 6:

Captain:
He's in charge

First Officer:
He's next in charge

Second Officer:
The Captains sexual adviser, if I want his #%cking opinion I'll ask for it

Flight Engineer:
Useful for manipulating those big bakalite knobs on the 330/340, doing the walk around, syncing the fans, and finding cheap bars and knock shops

Navigator:
Helps navigating to the above venues, and does sailings, plotting, and other navigator stuff on big charts.

Radio Operator:
Warms the valves before the rest of the crew arrive, Talks to Bombay on HF, and operates the directional antenna during NDB approaches.

This is standard for all 330/340 flights up to 8 hours, of course we get an extra pilot for flights above 8, as well as a bunk, and an F or J class seat.

You get a bunk and a F/J seat on a 330....Hmmmm:=

Not in EY!

not happy at ey?
 

topic speaks for itself. and the moderator keeps removing it. mr moderator, please pm me for the reasons as to why you keep doing this. on the take are you?
before any pilot moves there, they need to make an informed decision before taking the plunge. if you are against this, then i accuse you of being anti-pilot.

Ouch brassy. Some accusation. I can't imagine that ever taking place (corporate interest in our infallible moderators).
I don't think I have any friends who have enjoyed the move from GF to EY, but they are not willing to openly admit it since I tried to talk them out of it. Not to say some are not enjoying it there. I know a lot of the cabin crew are.

Who could ?

People stay 4 months in an hotel then are moved to a villa and then told it will cost them 90000 AED per year to keep the so called company provided accomodation.

Inflation is skyrocketting, medical is useless, no pension, and HR treat you like a dog.

Welcome to Etihad

there was an exodus of gf drivers not long ago. one of the main reasons for their departure was better prospects for upgrade for the f/os and better machines and destinations for the captains. are they getting what they want?

in addition to this obviously important thread, i'm working on a conspiracy theory.
if you notice all the important threads regarding employment ts and cs in this forum, they are usually followed by several petty threads made by irregular posters ie guys with 10 or so posts.
obviously management types read pprune. i wonder if they purposefully raise new threads in order to push the ones important to us down the list and hopefully to page 2.
maybe i'm paranoid, but look at the topics posted yourself. there is usually one with a lot of responses (ie important issues) followed by three or four topics with very little response.

back to topic, how many here are happy with their terms and conditions and promises at ey?

another tactic these 'single posters' incessantly use is to make a petty comment in popular threads to push 'hot issues' further down the list.

Brassy...don't think you will ever get a straight answer on that one...the fellows who left for EK have spoken openly about the pro's and con's regarding their move there, and seem for the most part content with their choice..whatever "turns your clock" I suppose applies in all cases:ok:

773
 

Im invited for screening as a fo on 773 in July,but after reading all this i'll think i'm gonna stick to my job here in europe...

Who cares how many aircrafts they order, how muck bribe money they make in the back of the locals.....

What does it change to your day to day life ....??

Well, nothing, this management remains as it is, useless, indian lowcost alike, no offense taken, our indian fellow colleagues, and hopeless.

EY is S:mad:t and will remain as such.

Join here and your life and family will be jeopardized every 6 months r so by our puppet management and on purpose.
They all come together everyweek to lagh at us on how much they screwed our lives....

PAYBACK TIME

"Think twice, they are few others company around that would give you a better consideration."

Tell me one, pls.

"Think twice, they are few others company around that would give you a better consideration."

I think he meant to say "There are A few.........

Emirates,
Singapore,
Korean,
Jet,
Kingfisher...............

Even low cost carriers treat you better

Air Arabia
EZY
Tiger
Air Asia
Vueling
WizzAIr
RyanAir

or flag carriers , whereas EY is supposed to be one, at the end this is another **** carrier for its employees.

Air China
China Airlines
Korean Air
Air France is hiring on A320
Lufthansa
Singapore Airlines
Air Mauritius


or other succesfull airlines

Virgin
Strategic in Australia
Air Asia X
China Southern
Hainan on A320
Deer Air on A320
Kingfisher
Jet
Sri Lankan
Virgin Nigeria
Atlas Blue

Before coming to Non stop lying Award winning Airline ETIHAD, reconsider and read all these threads about how bad it is for you and your family.

Let's see :

Emirates - not easy to join, require min. 4000 hours for F/O
Singapore - don't hire F/O
Korean - too far from Europe, I mean not just km
Jet, Kingfisher - would you take your family to India?
LCC's - no money paid
Air China, China Airlines, China Southern, Hainan - liars
Air France, Lufthansa - need JAA licence, upgrade in 10 years
Air Mauritius, Sri Lankan - pilots exodus

So it is not easy to choose.

Additional info about China :
Once you step foot in a Chinese airline you will find it VERY difficult to leave. Going to another Chinese airline is near impossible. There is a HUGE penalty if one hops from one Chinese airline to another within China - more than a million rmb. And if you want to leave China for another foreign airline you will face extreme difficulties. So be forewarned ...

Furthermore :

Air Arabia - need only type rated pilots
Tiger - self-sponsored
EZY, Wizz - don't hire in 2008
Vueling - need JAA + self-sponsored

Axum,

Id take my family to India. On the money you'd live like a king and will be able to provide them with the best.

Sorry but I hate prejudice statements that harpoon an entire nation.