No laa bro...it's still free but now you have to go in from the old car rental, now designated employees/staff entrance.

Who sent the mail?
 

Was this e-mail regarding parking sent by Etihad or was it just forwarded on behalf the airport?

The Porta-cabin has been remarkably silent on who is actually going to to pay the AED400 per year.

Most other airlines either provide transport or provide (Covered), staff parking.

Are the busy bees at the new Academy going to pay for parking? I don't think so!:=

Lets hope they sort the matter out soon.

Taxi
 

I was told that if we are not happy with the new parking arrangement then we should use Taxi. So stop bitching:{

Told by who?
 

Puppet M,

Who told you this?

So cool

Getting better everyday.....

Let's give them what they deserve

Time to show then what kind of bad business practice we are able of, isn't it ?

Minimum fuel, refuel at outstation all the time, even for the smallest amount....
No customer minded attitude whatsoever.
Turbulence speed whenever needed, at any slight wave.....
Taxy at a man's wlaking speed.
No direct.
Use the runway creating the biggest flying time.
Proactive use of ACARS and Satcom whenever possible.
Max reversers thrust whenever possible
No cooperation with ground staff whatsoever
Headcount at everyflight...that's one of the most efficient.....
Tight dangerous goods cargo check in the bays.
And , of course, no cooperation at all with crew control, unless you have a good deal for you.
No flight on OFF days.
Take your 1 hour to join the airport, when you are called from STBY, then take all your time to walk to the aircraft, so as to avoid high blood perssure and stress before a flight...flight safety proactive attitude....

The list is endless, and it costs them so much, in terms of fuel, engine cycles....and image.....

Sir Osis,
The parking supervisor when I told him what I thought about the New Parking Position.

Do they try and pi$$ people off or does it come naturally I wonder?

Just a few calculations come to mind.....

We were promised a whopping 4% pay increment, now on my meager capt's salary that equated to about 1300 AED.

Lets see parking cost at airport 400 + 150 = 550 so roughly half my increment is going to park my car to go to work.

Oh I cannot wait for the next Pilot meeting. By the way when my card expires I hope the guys at OCC have plenty of stby's as getting a taxi at Khalifa B is like ...... getting a pay increase from Hogan (comes by but is gone by the time you see it:\)

EPR do you really think the 700 AED will be never ending?....keep dreaming!

We will get nothing under Hogans rule..the sooner he goes the better for everyone.
The layer of incompetence he has put in place never ceases to amaze me..just about every dept is a shambles...get some real auditors in and see what they say!

The silence from the portakabin over the parking fees is incredible..either confirm or deny it! :mad:

Parking
 

So the good news is that we won't have to pay for parking.

The bad news is that it is going to cost a lot more than AED400 for a new paint job once your car has been in the sun for a year and the birds have used it as a toilet and beak sharpener.:rolleyes:

And don't think the new announcement of 10 buddy tickets is great.

Take out the maids ticket and the dead parents tickets and you are still left with 4.
So really nothing has been given, and given that the maids tkt was, I think FOC, we lost in the deal. Although you can now send your maid home Diamond Zone !

Add to that the downgrading of the annual leave tkt and the staff not wanting to do anything to assist you with these travel plans...

It's better to stay at home or take a confirmed ID 100 on EK!

A320 / A330 mixed Fleet Flying......

Looks like GCAA have said the big NO to that option....

Maybe we have written this thousand times.......

Lies, lies and again lies

EY has promised mixed fleet to attract the A320 skippers with A330 dreams......

And now.....as George says: What else......

Well the answer is nothing....as usual there

To all our A320 colleagues.....I feel sorry guys .

You believed them and now nothing will happen, you are stuck there on the sand pit , just like the others

Al Ghazal....

What has Georgio said now...... ?

Missed that email...?

Corperate lies then?
 

Have been emailing in EY :ugh:........Much from the company on Mixed Fleet flying.....so are you sure no MFF? With respect, can you pls source this info or pls just post the link ?

This is one of the biggest pulls for me from a reasonable British carrier.......A330 etc... very quick time to command...nice villas and "it's not hard to fit in here!"
all the usual spiel. This is quite important for me, as I would also uproot my partner; so an honest sensible reply would be appreciated....otherwise as I am not desperate to leave - I'll stay put and beat off the hoodies at Sainbury's, while paying tax to Gordon Brown![Having said that ..at least I am home:ok:] Good luck to all. ST

Speedtouch, stay where you are.

There is no guarantee about anything here. Even if you have it in writing, it is not worth the paper it is written on.

Which nice Villa's would you be referring to? The ones in Khalifa City "B"? There are none of those left. You will more likely be put up in a hotel or an apartment in Mussafah. That is a city which is basically a workers accomodation area. Not our kind of workers either, but ones where there are 10 to a tent. Trust me, the euphoria and hard on of flying a shiny new jet wears off pretty fast when, you can't pick any part of your roster, get screwed out of leave, get treated like crap from the top on down, paid less than the low cost down the road, (which by the way has been in business less time Etihad and managed to pay out a bonus 12 or 15 timers more than ours) have to share hotel rooms on layovers, have perks taken away with every "increase" in pay, etc. etc.....

thinking time....
 

Much obliged Cayenne! I may just give myself a little more thinking time:ok: I am still interested in the source for NO MFF though. [For info- they spoke of "the most modern accomodation available - Khalifa C methinks?].........One question though, if it is really so bad then why do so many stay? yes it would uproot any family again, yes it a petty bad time in Europe/US but there must be something you would rather do [or on the flip side, keeping you all there] if it is so poor?

why do we stay ?

well good question.

being senior most of us have a nice accomodation (not cie provided) so family is happy.
being senior here we know how it works... so we can play with the same rules

moneywise ... it's crap... nothing to add

roster, leave, well... we are used to it now, it does't hurt my back anymore

Hear in the cockpits that mixed fleet A320/A330 is a NO.....

Lot of guys have the resignation word in the mouth, as well as the word liars..... Don't know why....

omething we are used to as well...the lies

I wonder why GCAA would say no?? It seems easily practicable in many other airlines worldwide. I just cant see EY taking a simple no, and giving up on the idea. Its got too many financial and operational advantages for them.

ETD package 2004 to date
 

Anyone care to comment on the differences from then to date, Considering the inflation and Management changes EY has gone through in the past 4 years:\

This is from 4 years ago on another thread.


Starting base pay for a Captain 19,500 Dirhams F/O 13,000.

Daily rate. 750 DHS Capt. 450 F/O

Approx 20 days a month.

NO overtime.
You pay for utilities.
NO loss of License insurance.
NO company travel to or from work or allowance.
NO per diems.
NO nightstop pay.
One return economy class ticket to the country of residence per year for you and family.
Med covered 100% for you up to a max of 200,000 DHS.
Housing 85,000 for F/O's 90,000 for Capt's. if you sign a lease with them. If you want to take the cash only 72,000.
One months BASE salary for every year employed as a end of terms bonus.

sorry i forgot to say thanks a lot ey to put in the same situation!! always behind reality!! we might never catch the train:suspect:

Hi chaps,

I've been reading this topic intensely because up untill a few hours ago I thought the middle east is where I want to be.
I'm only 19, I've got my PILAPT's at Flight Training Europe, Jerez and I've applied for the Cadet Scheme with EY.
My dad works out in DXB, he hates the locals and doesnt like DXB anymore because I suppose he gets a rough time. But I still love going down to visit, there and AUH and I personally thought thats where I ultimately want to be. As a 19 year old with no family ties as such I thought it would be a brilliant place for me.
Love the weather, lifestyle seems brilliant, and as a pilot I'd be doing what I love which is flying.
Having read this though its changed my mind somewhat. I dont like the U.K anymore, I couldnt get on the property market, I couldnt afford a car that I really want. Petrol is sky-high, the weather is appauling and worst of all we've got that mess of that gin primeinister we have in our G&T's.
So...any feedback would be brilliant. Would I be making a mistake if say for arguments sake I was offered a place on the EY Cadet Scheme?
Or as a young single person does it still have more to offer?

Cheers,
Mike

Hi Mike,

The best one can do when starting a career is to find out as much information as possible on the chosen profession and the opportunities it might bring. This applies to everything one does, be it work, business or investment opportunities. (ie research and due diligence).

Asking for advise in this forum is part of that research but don't base your decision solely on the responses received herein. You will find many negative viewpoints in this forum and in many cases justifiable criticism of working conditions but this alone is not justification for basing your decision of a career path.

There are pros and cons in all things and the 'green grass syndrome' is extremely prevalent in this industry.

The best thing you can do is study and get yourself physically and mentally prepared for your future career. Work on building a positive mental attitude and take the opportunities that present themselves.

Many of us had to work our way from scratch without the opportunity of cadet programs or scholarships. Many had to work double jobs to pay for flying and to live in undesirable places in order to get those extra hours and experience that would lead to a better job. So the current pilot shortage is opening up many opportunities for new comers.

The aviation industry has changed substantially over the years and in your lifetime will continue to change. At 19 you are at the start of your flying career. One of the best things about the current aviation industry is that if one is not happy with their current employer there are always opportunities elsewhere.

All the very best..

DOB. Thanks very much for your response.

I understand your comments, flying is something that I've always known that I wanted to do. Both in my heart and my head. Multiple members of my family are in the aviation industry, so I've had the opportunity to travel relatively cheaply and speak with many pilots along my journeys.
I decided from a young age that it was what I wanted to do and so I have always aimed myself at this.

I had anticipated a few responses along the lines of dont work for this company etc etc but to be honest I think I need to do whatever I feel right. However I did want feedback and suggestions on what it would be like for me for example as a single person within this airline specifically.
I'm a great believer of good things come to those who wait...and up untill the turn of 2008 things were not good. However I've so far been given a great opportunity to try and prove myself next month to FTE and have the qualifications and drive to apply for the EY Cadet Pilot Scheme. I'm looking to keep all my options open and so once again I appreciate your response.
I'm hoping it works out well for me regardless and I cant see myself in any other career but flying.
Thank you once again,

Regards
Mike

Pilot....
 

Ok Mike. Think about it. Look at the market in the States. If some of the Major Airlines collapse what will the market be like then? Not to mention some financially shaky Airlines in Europe. Having been made redundant many times and having had to work in less than savoury Airlines and locations please take my advice and become a plumber - or something.

Do you want to continually work in the middle of the night locked in a box? The glamour and the glory are no longer here, and as for the pay...... However, as they say, yer pays yer money and you take yer chance.

All the best whatever you do.

NJ

Are there any good things in EY ?
 

Hi guys

after reading all your comments on the awful housing situation at EY now I wonder if there are any other "half-truths" :bored: about EY benefits....

-what about the medical insurance for pilots and families? does it work efficiently?
-is it easy for you or your families to get a seat on board while using ID tickets?

Waiting for your info....

EY is fat on A330 and A340 crews, thus they can play the rough game with them....Nobody's leaving yet, isn't it ?

On A320, though, things are different, Mixed fleet is a long time gone dream and/or lie, upgrades all go on A320, coz nobody wants to go there with lower salary, poor lay-over accomodation , crazy changing rosters, hardly any more than a day in advance planning.

Of course all these bad aspects come on top of the usual Pathetihad crap, like:

Poor medical
Accomodation nightmare
Day to day harrassment
Poor rostering
Non cooperative policies
etc etc....

Hey Ghazal

I'm on the 320 and couldn't be happier yes maybe a few pennies shorter on cash than the other lot

but i'm home almost every night our night stop places are grand for a seasoned campaigner like myself

big deal i've had 2 roster changes in 3 months and they were just day trips

i feel a bit for the new joiners of late they are havin a bad time with housing

as regards schooling its called " Wasta '

either you have it or you don't

they're not great but believe you me they will do fine

until oil comes down to 80$ a barrel

S.L.

You just can't excuse them because where you come from is worse....

Look up, not down....

Maybe you have connections with rostering, but so far, between the layovers and the night trips to CAI, TRV, COK, DAM, and the famous KRT....almost everyone can say that life is tough compared to ther fleets...
Let's take 2 examples :

KRT night turnaround is usually often planned with 2 pilots on the A320 fleet, whereas on the A330, they are 4.... Where did we see that the A320 was faster than an A330? maybe turnaround time is shorter, but hey, KRT is well known for being dangerous....so safety is not an issue on A320 now ?

Transit Checks in outstations ....
A320 captains are required to sign out the aircraft in IKA, BOM, COK, TRV, DOH etc... just because they want to cut costs, and of course with no compensation for the additionnal responsability....

Why don't the A330 and A340 skippers do the same and put their hands in the hydraulic fluid, oil and Jet A1 ?? Wonder why ?

When you fly almost 90 hours plus AVLB days on an A320, even if you are home often, in which shape are you Superman ?

Another one for the UAE Flag carrier :

The 2 new A320's EIF and EIG cming from Indigo, with a full Economy lowcost configiration, guess what ???

They gonna stay in this configuration without even a wet galley, because it's too expensive to retrofit them in 2 class configuration....
Do you think we will require Inspired Cabin crews for No service except cold sandwiches for 3 hours sectors ?


Welcome to ETIHAD EXPRESS, The most expensive low cost carrier of the Middle East.

Not going to enter a discussion

but i agree with you on EIF EIG

sorry its 4 pilots on night KRT

got our transit authority but it ain't being used yet !!

90 hours a month - sorry 65-70 more like it

and yes i prefer a meal on kovalam beach better than crap in LHR FRA or wherever

been there done that but never got a t-shirt

S.L.

Well, aggree with you on a few points...but still......

There is no perfect place, but why look down as we can look up and raise our concerns...I do, and I must admit, without any positive result yet....

Some keep discovering, In Etihad we keep trying............ :}

Enough crew for the planes?
 

statement: A330 and A340 fat on crew>> :ugh:


If that is the case what about A320?? Why do they show so many

vacancies still posted on positions for 330/340 :ok:

If the 320 crews are "putting their hands in the hydraulic fluid, oil and Jet A1" then they're doing it wrong ;)

think someone here is grossly and out of some, but not all proportions, making mountains out of mole hills!!!!!
come on, reality please. i dont know one guy changing the oil, hydraulics etc etc..... even though the paperwork may read in a certain direction!
heres to living in the sandpit!
rockin:}

I do pre-flights. Am I missing something? Haven't added oil or hydraulic fluid nor have I refueled the aircraft. Will I be getting a letter of reprimand soon?:confused:

Anyone read the latest Etihad Today? Page 2 ADAC Parking Changes. Again we ask who is going to pay the AED 400????

The question is :

Why do A320 skippers have to take the responsability of a transit check while the A330 A340 B777 skippers don't at the same outstations ??

Just to save the cost of ridding engineers, or a decent technical assistance , as A320 have more daily flights ??

Doesn't make sense....

Of course, nobody will touch hydraulic fluid, but that's what the course is about, hydraulic refill and oil refill...... Based on EY past experience , hardly anything came from worse to better in many areas, so why should this one ?

And on top of the 900 aed u have to pay 10aed/hour after 9 days :ugh:

SOOO MEEAAAANNN!!! ****IHAD :yuk:

Regarding Parking lot, no way I'm gonna pay, Crew Control can wait for me then !!!!!!

Regarding the package as it seems to be this thread's subject.

The good things to me are:

The subload tickets : travelling is quite easy

Crew atmosphere on board is relaxed

Aircrafts are new except the A320s which really s:mad:k

Job security

Life in AUH is quite fine except summer

I heard about an AUH urban legend called profit sharing, could not see it though...

The rest is as follows:


Medical is pretty bad; not that I did expect anything here but they seem so proud of it, can't believe there are so many exceptions...... You hardly can have a doctor appointment reimbursed..... Good luck if you have kids....

Accomodation , what accomodation ? Mussafah Swamp ? or pay 7000 AED monthly your pocket to get a villa while others get flats or other villas for free ? The entire thing sucks so much, you just can't believe

Pension ? No

Stable Rosters ? Depend on your ability to s:mad:k rostering' b:mad:s

Training ? Provided you can fit in the seat and say yes

Layover accomodations ? could be way better for a national airline

Promotion ? See rostering

Overall salary isn't too bad for F/O's, and an insult for Capains not talking about the lack of exchange rate protection like North of AUH.

No crew transportation

Wish I could have gone EK but not too late, they still call me

Will eventually go...
 

I've put off my EK interview so I don't have to repay the lousy furniture and training bond if I leave in September. My left seat slot is also coming up in 10 months so I'd better get those 2000 golden command hours and go marching to EK where I can expect bonus, better housing, better retirement plan, better education. I'm joining the exodus so let's all do it fellas!!:ok: