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I’d say the same to those at EK. I’m about a year or 2 away from a wide body command at one of those airlines and considering a move to EK. BA/VA/TUI might be decent career options, but living in broken Britain is something to consider. If you’ve been out the UK a while you may not realise it.
I feel grossly underpaid living almost pay cheque to pay cheque in a 3 bed terrace house with a garden barely bigger than an EK first class suite, paying obscene amounts of tax, spending 7 months a year living inside waiting for the rain to stop and it takes 6 weeks to get a doctors appointment. And there are my friends at EK, on the golf course at least once a week, driving a Porsche, living in a lovely villa with EK paying the mortgage, saving £3k a month and enjoying life in the sun (outside of the summer). And they’ve received nearly a years salary in bonus in the last 2 years.
Might be tiring, but every other flight I do is a deep night too. The management have no regard for us either, toxic feelings all around the company and our seniority counts for nothing. My bonus this year was £900, half went to the tax man. What am I missing?
I feel grossly underpaid living almost pay cheque to pay cheque in a 3 bed terrace house with a garden barely bigger than an EK first class suite, paying obscene amounts of tax, spending 7 months a year living inside waiting for the rain to stop and it takes 6 weeks to get a doctors appointment. And there are my friends at EK, on the golf course at least once a week, driving a Porsche, living in a lovely villa with EK paying the mortgage, saving £3k a month and enjoying life in the sun (outside of the summer). And they’ve received nearly a years salary in bonus in the last 2 years.
Might be tiring, but every other flight I do is a deep night too. The management have no regard for us either, toxic feelings all around the company and our seniority counts for nothing. My bonus this year was £900, half went to the tax man. What am I missing?
Europe has no value for pilots at all - true
the question is if you don’t only see the benefits of your friends life
first is it important to drive a Porsche ?
do you think they also play golf at least once a week between may and October when the the temp reaches close to 50c and towards August and September the humidity reaches up to 90%
yeah the weather in uk might be **** but let me tell you on thing half the year in Dubai you are living on indoor activities as it is unbearable to stay outside for long - lifestyle in Europe is a 1000 times better than in the bloody desert - indoor does not come for free - if you are active (and I don’t mean if your activities are solely based on a gym)those activities are costly over the time because nothing is for free in Dubai except going road bike cycling at 4 in morning ( the only time you would be able to handle the heat)
But if you put your comparison in terms of life style only up to the fancy car or playing golf - then you are right. Europe offers way more than that at a low to zero pay on a daily base
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you get a all the credit when comparing the pure income and money the receive in terms to pay tax or your value to your current employer
Europe has no value for pilots at all - true
the question is if you don’t only see the benefits of your friends life
first is it important to drive a Porsche ?
do you think they also play golf at least once a week between may and October when the the temp reaches close to 50c and towards August and September the humidity reaches up to 90%
yeah the weather in uk might be **** but let me tell you on thing half the year in Dubai you are living on indoor activities as it is unbearable to stay outside for long - lifestyle in Europe is a 1000 times better than in the bloody desert - indoor does not come for free - if you are active (and I don’t mean if your activities are solely based on a gym)those activities are costly over the time because nothing is for free in Dubai except going road bike cycling at 4 in morning ( the only time you would be able to handle the heat)
But if you put your comparison in terms of life style only up to the fancy car or playing golf - then you are right. Europe offers way more than that at a low to zero pay on a daily base
Europe has no value for pilots at all - true
the question is if you don’t only see the benefits of your friends life
first is it important to drive a Porsche ?
do you think they also play golf at least once a week between may and October when the the temp reaches close to 50c and towards August and September the humidity reaches up to 90%
yeah the weather in uk might be **** but let me tell you on thing half the year in Dubai you are living on indoor activities as it is unbearable to stay outside for long - lifestyle in Europe is a 1000 times better than in the bloody desert - indoor does not come for free - if you are active (and I don’t mean if your activities are solely based on a gym)those activities are costly over the time because nothing is for free in Dubai except going road bike cycling at 4 in morning ( the only time you would be able to handle the heat)
But if you put your comparison in terms of life style only up to the fancy car or playing golf - then you are right. Europe offers way more than that at a low to zero pay on a daily base
Europe and the UK are very different. Spain, France, Italy is cheaper, there’s a nice outdoors lifestyle, a pleasant way of life and certainly nicer than the desert.
But having lived in mainland Europe and the UK, the Uk is just a miserable place to be and you can’t compare them I think. I think I’d rather be in the desert than the UK.
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thanks for the insight. I accept there’s probably free stuff to do in the UK, but lifestyle I think is very poor overall.
Europe and the UK are very different. Spain, France, Italy is cheaper, there’s a nice outdoors lifestyle, a pleasant way of life and certainly nicer than the desert.
But having lived in mainland Europe and the UK, the Uk is just a miserable place to be and you can’t compare them I think. I think I’d rather be in the desert than the UK.
Europe and the UK are very different. Spain, France, Italy is cheaper, there’s a nice outdoors lifestyle, a pleasant way of life and certainly nicer than the desert.
But having lived in mainland Europe and the UK, the Uk is just a miserable place to be and you can’t compare them I think. I think I’d rather be in the desert than the UK.
The grass is not greener on the other side and as all of you know, same ****, different colour!
All the best for your future endeavours…
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thanks for the insight. I accept there’s probably free stuff to do in the UK, but lifestyle I think is very poor overall.
Europe and the UK are very different. Spain, France, Italy is cheaper, there’s a nice outdoors lifestyle, a pleasant way of life and certainly nicer than the desert.
But having lived in mainland Europe and the UK, the Uk is just a miserable place to be and you can’t compare them I think. I think I’d rather be in the desert than the UK.
Europe and the UK are very different. Spain, France, Italy is cheaper, there’s a nice outdoors lifestyle, a pleasant way of life and certainly nicer than the desert.
But having lived in mainland Europe and the UK, the Uk is just a miserable place to be and you can’t compare them I think. I think I’d rather be in the desert than the UK.
If you haven’t been to Dubai in summer go in mid August and go for a 1 hour walk when the sun has gone down. I grew up in one of the warmest places in Europe but the Dubai heat is on another level. I would say I am comfortable in outside heat to 35. I have hiked through the Borneo jungle, walked around Jakarta and Singapore but man Dubai was something else. Unless you’re sat in a cooled swimming pool outside is a no go from June to August.
The other end of the scale I hate cold. Yes I find the UK weather crap. I literally go outside from May to October. Outside of that I don’t enjoy it apart from the random warm days we get in mid winter.
I was undecided between EK and BA.
We have friends in Dubai and London and we could see ourselves living in either.
Not a spring chicken myself and many said go to EK you will never make the top pay scales at BA blah blah.
I chose BA.
The salary is alright. Year 2 SH FO and if things continue my tax year for 24/25 will easily show £90k probably closer to £115k as I will sell some leave.
Yes tax is painful for the services we get in the UK.
BA you have so many options though. SH/LH and my long term plan, part time.
At BA so many in there late 50s are 50% living all over the world.
Financially EK would be better. It would take 20 years of hard graft from me and the Mrs and hands down with our situation we could retire and be very comfortable. Would I last 20 years at EK? Not sure. Rosters never seem to get easier.
What if I want to carry on flying in later life?
Ah right back to UK to LCC. Erm yay.
Everyone situation is different so up to you.
Financially I will be worse off but meh. Not like I’m on the breadline.
Kids are happy, in a great school and have a great community around us along with parents being 15 min walk away. Being SH means I either do drop off or pick up from school.
Career wise I have options. I don’t have a crystal ball but for now it’s all good.
IMO anyone south of Birmingham BA is the best option.
Start adding in longer commutes etc and definitely SH it’s hard work and tiring.
You can always make money in life. Can never get back time.
The majority of people , in my experience, who join emirates like it and I think the selection criteria is a huge part of this.
Most, again in my experience , see the world in black and white , happy to go with the flow ,toe the line, live in their box, probably own a Mont Blanc pen (?), play golf on week days, and think little beyond the exterior of their air conditioned box.
Other people want part time options, bit of culture, investment in a stable housing market , family close by and long summer evenings. For those , it will never work.
Dubai attracts a certain type of person. Usually (not always ) the same type who would wear a cap saying MAGA.
Most, again in my experience , see the world in black and white , happy to go with the flow ,toe the line, live in their box, probably own a Mont Blanc pen (?), play golf on week days, and think little beyond the exterior of their air conditioned box.
Other people want part time options, bit of culture, investment in a stable housing market , family close by and long summer evenings. For those , it will never work.
Dubai attracts a certain type of person. Usually (not always ) the same type who would wear a cap saying MAGA.
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We have exactly the same debate in a different plantation a bit farther to the East.. Pay, climate, freedom, tax, housing, schools, EK vs CX etc etc. Almost identical, really.
And unfortunately also guys trying to polarize even more..
This post sums it up, maybe you find it inspiring.
And unfortunately also guys trying to polarize even more..
This post sums it up, maybe you find it inspiring.
You're all bitching, moaning and abusing each other. Don't you all understand we're brothers in arms as pilots and that we all got into this industry because we all had a common love for flying? We all have different reasons for staying or going etc and we can all make a good argument for whatever decision we made.
You could argue that the USA is free, has good work conditions, decent employment contracts, better pay and a better life etc. You could also counter argue that it has high taxes, the government is in a spiral descent with our current president, the alternative is not much better, we have huge issues at the border and the interest rates are unstable etc.
You could argue that the Europe is free, has good work conditions, decent employment contracts, better pay and a better life etc. You could also counter argue that it has high taxes, the governments are all mostly in a spiral descent, have weak leaders destined to each ruin their countries, border issues and the interest rates are unstable. etc
You could argue that Hong Kong is a great city, has low taxes, great work opportunities, beautiful countryside, very accepting of expats, great potential to earn good money and is a very safe city. You could also counter argue that it has no employment protection, suffers pollution issues, is becoming more like the mainland and the city is finished etc.
The point I am making is that none of it matters. Everyone has a reason for choosing to stay or not stay. You can make anything you or others do sound like a great decision or the dumbest one you/they have ever made. In reality, all this arguing that "I'm in a better place and made a better decision than you" is irrelevant, its' all down to perception and what's right for you and your family,
Just a quick example of conversation I heard in our crew room. An Aussie was saying he was returning to CX and gave all of these positive reasons for going to HK. He was 100% into returning and was totally convinced he had made the right decision and that we were all screwed to stay here in the US. As he walked off another colleague rattled off a thousand reasons how he thought he was a fool and how HK and CX are finished. Who was right? You could say they both were. I congratulated the guy leaving and was truly happy for the both of them. What is right for one is not right for the other.
I wish all of you nothing but the best and whatever decision you made to either stay in HK or go then be happy with it. It's not a competition to piss on everyone else for the decision they made.
Life is too short, enjoy whatever time you have left.
You could argue that the USA is free, has good work conditions, decent employment contracts, better pay and a better life etc. You could also counter argue that it has high taxes, the government is in a spiral descent with our current president, the alternative is not much better, we have huge issues at the border and the interest rates are unstable etc.
You could argue that the Europe is free, has good work conditions, decent employment contracts, better pay and a better life etc. You could also counter argue that it has high taxes, the governments are all mostly in a spiral descent, have weak leaders destined to each ruin their countries, border issues and the interest rates are unstable. etc
You could argue that Hong Kong is a great city, has low taxes, great work opportunities, beautiful countryside, very accepting of expats, great potential to earn good money and is a very safe city. You could also counter argue that it has no employment protection, suffers pollution issues, is becoming more like the mainland and the city is finished etc.
The point I am making is that none of it matters. Everyone has a reason for choosing to stay or not stay. You can make anything you or others do sound like a great decision or the dumbest one you/they have ever made. In reality, all this arguing that "I'm in a better place and made a better decision than you" is irrelevant, its' all down to perception and what's right for you and your family,
Just a quick example of conversation I heard in our crew room. An Aussie was saying he was returning to CX and gave all of these positive reasons for going to HK. He was 100% into returning and was totally convinced he had made the right decision and that we were all screwed to stay here in the US. As he walked off another colleague rattled off a thousand reasons how he thought he was a fool and how HK and CX are finished. Who was right? You could say they both were. I congratulated the guy leaving and was truly happy for the both of them. What is right for one is not right for the other.
I wish all of you nothing but the best and whatever decision you made to either stay in HK or go then be happy with it. It's not a competition to piss on everyone else for the decision they made.
Life is too short, enjoy whatever time you have left.
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It's difficult to compare places where employment contracts are affectively meaningless to more civilised nations, where there's legislation around such. If this debate is regarding employment anyway.
However, pays okay , could be better, bonuses welcome, There is worse places than EK! Just not for everybody.
However, pays okay , could be better, bonuses welcome, There is worse places than EK! Just not for everybody.
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Yes, you may move to the sandpit for a while to work. Then you will come back home to die. Always do.
Strange old world isn't it ?
Strange old world isn't it ?
Well, I guess if you are British then yeah...no brainer as home is always home. Now, to say that there is more to do outdoors for free in the UK? c'mon...if you say Spain, Portugal, Italy, but the UK? you can get stabbed for free, whilst getting wet and cold.
Quality of life here is crap comparing to other European nations, just hit a Portuguese or Italian supermarket and see the quality of produce, meat, vegs, bakery and the costs etc. Weather, activities and the prices, social settings where you don't need to spend a fortune, sports and much more. They have more fun, eat and drink better food for less, breathe cleaner air, a night out doest cost a mortgage. There's no free parking anywhere in the big cities of the UK, we were hit hard by an inept government and you can sense the anger and frustration in people. The idea that leisure and "quality" of life here is better is a fallacy, nonsense.
I think we need to respect people would want different things, but it's a little hypocritical to come here and constantly bash them when you took the money and the experience. let others decided what's good for them? I for once, couldn't stand BA and the pompous arrogance for little money and no fun.
Quality of life here is crap comparing to other European nations, just hit a Portuguese or Italian supermarket and see the quality of produce, meat, vegs, bakery and the costs etc. Weather, activities and the prices, social settings where you don't need to spend a fortune, sports and much more. They have more fun, eat and drink better food for less, breathe cleaner air, a night out doest cost a mortgage. There's no free parking anywhere in the big cities of the UK, we were hit hard by an inept government and you can sense the anger and frustration in people. The idea that leisure and "quality" of life here is better is a fallacy, nonsense.
I think we need to respect people would want different things, but it's a little hypocritical to come here and constantly bash them when you took the money and the experience. let others decided what's good for them? I for once, couldn't stand BA and the pompous arrogance for little money and no fun.
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No company does.... Don't be naive.
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Does anyone have details on the impact of multiple bird strikes on EK508 as it made its final approach into Mumbai shortly after 2000 hrs last night (21/05)? Looks to be serious. Thanks, Vishnu
This is what I want to know, not listen to a bunch of old idiots pontificating about wether you should or shouldnt move here, spoiler alert we have already made up our minds, move on and get a life, most of us are very happy to have made the move. Would I prefer to be a 20 year old who joined Air France or Lufthansa at 22, yeah sure, but I am not, so back to actual topic. . . .
But if you must know, yes, give me back the big stupid Maga hat wearing guy, the world has gone to **** since he left
But if you must know, yes, give me back the big stupid Maga hat wearing guy, the world has gone to **** since he left
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This is what I want to know, not listen to a bunch of old idiots pontificating about wether you should or shouldnt move here, spoiler alert we have already made up our minds, move on and get a life, most of us are very happy to have made the move. Would I prefer to be a 20 year old who joined Air France or Lufthansa at 22, yeah sure, but I am not, so back to actual topic. . . .
But if you must know, yes, give me back the big stupid Maga hat wearing guy, the world has gone to **** since he left
But if you must know, yes, give me back the big stupid Maga hat wearing guy, the world has gone to **** since he left
This is what I want to know, not listen to a bunch of old idiots pontificating about wether you should or shouldnt move here, spoiler alert we have already made up our minds, move on and get a life, most of us are very happy to have made the move. Would I prefer to be a 20 year old who joined Air France or Lufthansa at 22, yeah sure, but I am not, so back to actual topic. . . .
But if you must know, yes, give me back the big stupid Maga hat wearing guy, the world has gone to **** since he left
But if you must know, yes, give me back the big stupid Maga hat wearing guy, the world has gone to **** since he left
Originally Posted by richardstroker;[url=tel:11661049
11661049[/url]]What’s the juice on the pay review?
Would’ve thought if Emirates were so keen to attract crew, they’d drop the minimums before they offered more money.
short flights long nights
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Originally Posted by SOPS;[url=tel:11664145
11664145[/url]]Over the last few years, they have REALLY dropped the minimums.