EK Salary Review Time Again

[Fairey Seal]

Originally Posted by Mike Koal

Pilots are leaving Emirates in droves, many not paying their 'rejoining bond' and some without giving the 3 months notice.

Totally untrue. Who are these pilots that are leaving in droves? Where are they going? Ryanair I suppose.

[nimrodjoe]

Originally Posted by Kennytheking

To be fair - that problem is not specific to Emirates

Kenny banging the company drum still I see !

[nimrodjoe]

Originally Posted by Fairey Seal

Totally untrue. Who are these pilots that are leaving in droves? Where are they going? Ryanair I suppose.

South Africa and Australia , lots of great opportunities for pilots there

[City of Gold]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

South Africa and Australia , lots of great opportunities for pilots there

South Africa? Yes, excellent opportunities. I hear its very safe and the ZAR is doing really well.

[McToryMug]

DEC assessments will start in the next few weeks, mass exodus of pilots meanwhile recruitment team going around the world scamming people to join and worth until they literally become worthless due health concerns. Glad people are voting with their feet and leaving Emirates

[WrldWide]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

South Africa and Australia , lots of great opportunities for pilots there

Wtf are you talking about? What opportunities in ZA? If this was sarcasm, disregard.

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

Kenny banging the company drum still I see !

He has a point though. Inflation set to hit 15% in the UK. BA? They had a pay cut. Virgin same. RYR still not back to pre covid. Jet2 the only one who gave 8%. Look at the other threads on this site. Many unhappy guys/gals everywhere.

Recession from October 2022-end of 2023. Certainly in the UK it’s going to be very very painful. Anyone not on a fixed rate mortgage for at least the next 2 years it could be game over. Utilities are about to go up 75% again. Not just here either. Mate in Australia has been there 12 years and never seen anything like it. Every week prices going up on basic goods. Biggest squeeze for a generation coming left right and centre.

I know some of you are not liking EK or Dubai but man the UK is brutal right now. Nearly £2 a litre on fuel. £150 a month on gas and electric living in a flat. If you’re in a 3/4 bed house you looking at £300 a month. EU land not much better from guys/gals at other bases.

[nimrodjoe]

Originally Posted by WrldWide

Wtf are you talking about? What opportunities in ZA? If this was sarcasm, disregard.

I think he was being sarcastic but your don’t understand sarcasm because you are Australian and you take everything really seriously.

When can those of us forced to live amongst those miserable trainers we have had in the sim expect to be allowed to break free in to the rest of the world ??

[Mike Koal]

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123

He has a point though. Inflation set to hit 15% in the UK. BA? They had a pay cut. Virgin same. RYR still not back to pre covid. Jet2 the only one who gave 8%. Look at the other threads on this site. Many unhappy guys/gals everywhere.

Recession from October 2022-end of 2023. Certainly in the UK it’s going to be very very painful. Anyone not on a fixed rate mortgage for at least the next 2 years it could be game over. Utilities are about to go up 75% again. Not just here either. Mate in Australia has been there 12 years and never seen anything like it. Every week prices going up on basic goods. Biggest squeeze for a generation coming left right and centre.

I know some of you are not liking EK or Dubai but man the UK is brutal right now. Nearly £2 a litre on fuel. £150 a month on gas and electric living in a flat. If you’re in a 3/4 bed house you looking at £300 a month. EU land not much better from guys/gals at other bases.

Here he is again, Dr. Doom

I personally just don't like being told by children like you that 'Emirates is alright because everywhere else is really bad too' when you haven't flown a sector past Istanbul and have certainly never done 1000 plus hours a year long haul.

[City of Gold]

Originally Posted by Mike Koal

You are always just a minion here
Doesn't matter how many bars or stars you have on your epaulettes , you are a foreign migrant worker and will do as you are told!

Seems that a lot of the trainers don’t know this and think they are indispensable.
You are exactly as Mike says.
Dubai can never ever be your home.

[Kennytheking]

Originally Posted by Mike Koal

Here he is again, Dr. Doom

I personally just don't like being told by children like you that 'Emirates is alright because everywhere else is really bad too' when you haven't flown a sector past Istanbul and have certainly never done 1000 plus hours a year long haul.

Ok, then I'll tell it to you - and I have flown a sector past Istanbul and I have done close to 1 000 hours a year long haul.

[nimrodjoe]

Originally Posted by Kennytheking

Ok, then I'll tell it to you - and I have flown a sector past Istanbul and I have done close to 1 000 hours a year long haul.

The floor is yours Kenny…

[paule737]

Originally Posted by Kennytheking

Ok, then I'll tell it to you - and I have flown a sector past Istanbul and I have done close to 1 000 hours a year long haul.

Kenny please fill us with your wisdom….

[Mike Koal]

What you got for us Kenny...

[nimrodjoe]

this’ll be good

[Rhodes13]

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123

He has a point though. Inflation set to hit 15% in the UK. BA? They had a pay cut. Virgin same. RYR still not back to pre covid. Jet2 the only one who gave 8%. Look at the other threads on this site. Many unhappy guys/gals everywhere.

Recession from October 2022-end of 2023. Certainly in the UK it’s going to be very very painful. Anyone not on a fixed rate mortgage for at least the next 2 years it could be game over. Utilities are about to go up 75% again. Not just here either. Mate in Australia has been there 12 years and never seen anything like it. Every week prices going up on basic goods. Biggest squeeze for a generation coming left right and centre.

I know some of you are not liking EK or Dubai but man the UK is brutal right now. Nearly £2 a litre on fuel. £150 a month on gas and electric living in a flat. If you’re in a 3/4 bed house you looking at £300 a month. EU land not much better from guys/gals at other bases.

Pay cut at Virgin? News to the guys there then. Yes they had pay cuts during the COVID pandemic but they've just agreed a pay rise in the new pay deal and were back at full pay last year.
And inflation won't effect Dubai? A country that imports the vast bulk of its products?

[nimrodjoe]

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123

He has a point though. Inflation set to hit 15% in the UK. BA? They had a pay cut. Virgin same. RYR still not back to pre covid. Jet2 the only one who gave 8%. Look at the other threads on this site. Many unhappy guys/gals everywhere.

Recession from October 2022-end of 2023. Certainly in the UK it’s going to be very very painful. Anyone not on a fixed rate mortgage for at least the next 2 years it could be game over. Utilities are about to go up 75% again. Not just here either. Mate in Australia has been there 12 years and never seen anything like it. Every week prices going up on basic goods. Biggest squeeze for a generation coming left right and centre.

I know some of you are not liking EK or Dubai but man the UK is brutal right now. Nearly £2 a litre on fuel. £150 a month on gas and electric living in a flat. If you’re in a 3/4 bed house you looking at £300 a month. EU land not much better from guys/gals at other bases.

Sounds like project fear. You talk about the economy in almost apocalyptic terms over the next 18 months.

It does surprise me then that you would wish to move to Dubai where your family’s long term financial security is in the hands of a couple of managers in ek. Please don’t assume that these people have any ethics or morality.

If you do choose that this is the right time to give up a uk contract under western law plus some Union representation for the rest of your career , then I wish you all the best.

Extra reading
please see 2008 recession in dubai
please see handling of Covid pandemic in emirates

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by Rhodes13

Pay cut at Virgin? News to the guys there then. Yes they had pay cuts during the COVID pandemic but they've just agreed a pay rise in the new pay deal and were back at full pay last year.
And inflation won't effect Dubai? A country that imports the vast bulk of its products?

Well I spoke to my mate who is back at Virgin now after being laid off and he said they had a pay cut with negotiations on going. This was couple months ago. Unless you talking about Virgin Australia? Think they had pay rise but don’t know anyone there.

Of course it will effect Dubai. It’s the whole world. I’m just stating facts and giving advice.
Wouldn’t you want to know rather than jumping back to the UK then finding out. Plus for the financial planning. Obviously UK license required as well. Just be prepared if moving to UK it’s not a bed of roses at present.
Jet2 probably the best. Unless you’re under 30 then BA.

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

Sounds like project fear. You talk about the economy in almost apocalyptic terms over the next 18 months.

It does surprise me then that you would wish to move to Dubai where your family’s long term financial security is in the hands of a couple of managers in ek. Please don’t assume that these people have any ethics or morality.

If you do choose that this is the right time to give up a uk contract under western law plus some Union representation for the rest of your career , then I wish you all the best.

Extra reading
please see 2008 recession in dubai
please see handling of Covid pandemic in emirates

It is looking very bad. Next 18 months going to be very tough. Honestly the financial charts my friend has sent me if rates going to 2-3% which they will do show a lot of pain in the housing sector.

Yes Dubai recession of 2008 was really bad. Again UK wasn’t a bed of roses. Don’t remember BA getting rid of anyone then but Virgin certainly did. I was working in the city at the time and saw hundreds of people made redundant, divorces, families lost houses plus some guys who just couldn’t cope.

[Rhodes13]

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123

Well I spoke to my mate who is back at Virgin now after being laid off and he said they had a pay cut with negotiations on going. This was couple months ago. Unless you talking about Virgin Australia? Think they had pay rise but don’t know anyone there.

Of course it will effect Dubai. It’s the whole world. I’m just stating facts and giving advice.
Wouldn’t you want to know rather than jumping back to the UK then finding out. Plus for the financial planning. Obviously UK license required as well. Just be prepared if moving to UK it’s not a bed of roses at present.
Jet2 probably the best. Unless you’re under 30 then BA.

The problem is you come on here spouting half truths as though you know it all and pontificating about a place and a job that you know nothing about.. and I was talking about Virgin Atlantic. For a person that claims to know so much about airlines you don't seem to know the basics about what happened in your own backyard.

You then advocate moving to an airline and a country where you literally have next to no rights or recourse should you be wronged, whilst simultaneously saying that the sky is falling. Given how EK literally treated people less than a year and a half ago I really don't see what you're trying to achieve? If it is so good why haven't you moved there?

By the way having done EK for nearly a decade it wasn't all the bed of roses either that you seem to like to portray from your fleeting holiday visits to the place.