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That's 3rd floor talking. But it is a fact that a lot of people stay. Are all these people happy? It is all relative as said before. If you have only options to go to which will make you less happy, easy choice. But even then ex colleagues left for RYR, DHL and Wizz.
But to say that most are happy at EK? That is BS. Just look around you in MS or MH. You never see a EK pilot smiling when being picked up with the company car. It should be fun to again fly the biggest pax ac...ooh wait you did that last year for 1000+ hours (unfactured).
Check out FB, the Pilot Wifes page..seems everybody is not so happy.
But hey..,what is happiness?
But to say that most are happy at EK? That is BS. Just look around you in MS or MH. You never see a EK pilot smiling when being picked up with the company car. It should be fun to again fly the biggest pax ac...ooh wait you did that last year for 1000+ hours (unfactured).
Check out FB, the Pilot Wifes page..seems everybody is not so happy.
But hey..,what is happiness?
For me it’s not spending 24/7 with my family. By god I did that in 2020. Jeez I would rather smash out 2000 hrs a year than do that again.
These are the characters in aviation:
First Officers:
80% are super happy. Just want to smash those hours out particularly when low hours.
10% are kind of happy. Enjoy flying but think maybe they should be doing something else.
10% not happy. Various reasons. Poor salary, taking ages for command, definitely don’t like flying and not sure why they started it etc etc. Yes I knew someone who just got into flying because his dad wanted him to. Oh dear.
Captains:
5% still super excited about aviation even when they are over 60 years old still full time flying as many hours as possible. Flown with some guys in this bracket and doesn’t matter time of day they seem to be like excited puppies all the time. Bit annoying at 4am but glad they loving life.
15% very happy. Again usually older people who flew during good years. Saved a fair amount and could retire early. Still enjoying flying.
Another group of Captains in this group are ones that work at airlines that offer what they are looking for eg part time. They are happy to take the cut in salary and enjoy days off thinking about flying while enjoying other past times.
New Captains also in this bracket (First 3 years)
30% moderately happy. Soldiering on day in day out. Been LHS a little over 3 years. Initial wow factor of being Captain has now worn off. Increase in salary has been helping them feel much more financially comfortable. Most of these found at seniority based airlines get most of holidays they request and can pick trips they want etc.
30% not very happy at all. These are Captains that don’t need the money as much but are at airline that doesn’t offer what they want. Been in LHS over 7 years. Every airport is the same now. Fed up of gruelling rosters. Going through security again and again and again. Think back to days when you were flying SEP/MEP into some dirt strip airport which is never going to happen again. Wish you could move companies but would have to start from the bottom again. Your current company doesn’t offer what you would like. (That can be a multitude of things).
20% the grumpiest of grumps. These are the LHS people who moan about everything. Usually been in aviation a long time but not always. Does seem to be a group too deep in to be able to give it up. Too much flying. Too little flying. Don’t get paid enough. Get paid too much. (Yes that does sound weird but I flew with a Captain once who complained about the day off working payments. I said it was great incentive to help stop the flight cancellations due to lack of staff, part time workers will be incentivised through this difficult summer. “NO it’s not. I wrote to our Head of Flight Operations and said it’s not needed. We need to save money. REDUCE these payments NOW”. Erm ok)
Too many nights away. Too few nights away.
Aviation isn’t what it used to be. Another CAVOK day, boring. Same person in winter. Oh FFS can’t we just have CAVOK days all the time Im fed up with this. I wish I had done something else. The list is endless.
Sorry completely off piste from the topic but I had a spare 15 mins to burn.
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lufthansa it was for two reasons:
1) something happend there and they stopped recruiting - so a lot of trained and check pilots where sent to the checkin counter or just send to the streets being on waiting list with no details for the future
2) simple as the way to command is to long, we are talking of 15 years plus. And it’s along way throu short haul flying too, until you see long haul.
99% Lufthansa pilots are not leaving it, unless being forced to do so.
during COVID they got a salary of 80% from Norma pay doing nothing sitting at home and a job at the end.
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What is happiness?
For me it’s not spending 24/7 with my family. By god I did that in 2020. Jeez I would rather smash out 2000 hrs a year than do that again.
These are the characters in aviation:
First Officers:
80% are super happy. Just want to smash those hours out particularly when low hours.
10% are kind of happy. Enjoy flying but think maybe they should be doing something else.
10% not happy. Various reasons. Poor salary, taking ages for command, definitely don’t like flying and not sure why they started it etc etc. Yes I knew someone who just got into flying because his dad wanted him to. Oh dear.
Captains:
5% still super excited about aviation even when they are over 60 years old still full time flying as many hours as possible. Flown with some guys in this bracket and doesn’t matter time of day they seem to be like excited puppies all the time. Bit annoying at 4am but glad they loving life.
15% very happy. Again usually older people who flew during good years. Saved a fair amount and could retire early. Still enjoying flying.
Another group of Captains in this group are ones that work at airlines that offer what they are looking for eg part time. They are happy to take the cut in salary and enjoy days off thinking about flying while enjoying other past times.
New Captains also in this bracket (First 3 years)
30% moderately happy. Soldiering on day in day out. Been LHS a little over 3 years. Initial wow factor of being Captain has now worn off. Increase in salary has been helping them feel much more financially comfortable. Most of these found at seniority based airlines get most of holidays they request and can pick trips they want etc.
30% not very happy at all. These are Captains that don’t need the money as much but are at airline that doesn’t offer what they want. Been in LHS over 7 years. Every airport is the same now. Fed up of gruelling rosters. Going through security again and again and again. Think back to days when you were flying SEP/MEP into some dirt strip airport which is never going to happen again. Wish you could move companies but would have to start from the bottom again. Your current company doesn’t offer what you would like. (That can be a multitude of things).
20% the grumpiest of grumps. These are the LHS people who moan about everything. Usually been in aviation a long time but not always. Does seem to be a group too deep in to be able to give it up. Too much flying. Too little flying. Don’t get paid enough. Get paid too much. (Yes that does sound weird but I flew with a Captain once who complained about the day off working payments. I said it was great incentive to help stop the flight cancellations due to lack of staff, part time workers will be incentivised through this difficult summer. “NO it’s not. I wrote to our Head of Flight Operations and said it’s not needed. We need to save money. REDUCE these payments NOW”. Erm ok)
Too many nights away. Too few nights away.
Aviation isn’t what it used to be. Another CAVOK day, boring. Same person in winter. Oh FFS can’t we just have CAVOK days all the time Im fed up with this. I wish I had done something else. The list is endless.
Sorry completely off piste from the topic but I had a spare 15 mins to burn.
For me it’s not spending 24/7 with my family. By god I did that in 2020. Jeez I would rather smash out 2000 hrs a year than do that again.
These are the characters in aviation:
First Officers:
80% are super happy. Just want to smash those hours out particularly when low hours.
10% are kind of happy. Enjoy flying but think maybe they should be doing something else.
10% not happy. Various reasons. Poor salary, taking ages for command, definitely don’t like flying and not sure why they started it etc etc. Yes I knew someone who just got into flying because his dad wanted him to. Oh dear.
Captains:
5% still super excited about aviation even when they are over 60 years old still full time flying as many hours as possible. Flown with some guys in this bracket and doesn’t matter time of day they seem to be like excited puppies all the time. Bit annoying at 4am but glad they loving life.
15% very happy. Again usually older people who flew during good years. Saved a fair amount and could retire early. Still enjoying flying.
Another group of Captains in this group are ones that work at airlines that offer what they are looking for eg part time. They are happy to take the cut in salary and enjoy days off thinking about flying while enjoying other past times.
New Captains also in this bracket (First 3 years)
30% moderately happy. Soldiering on day in day out. Been LHS a little over 3 years. Initial wow factor of being Captain has now worn off. Increase in salary has been helping them feel much more financially comfortable. Most of these found at seniority based airlines get most of holidays they request and can pick trips they want etc.
30% not very happy at all. These are Captains that don’t need the money as much but are at airline that doesn’t offer what they want. Been in LHS over 7 years. Every airport is the same now. Fed up of gruelling rosters. Going through security again and again and again. Think back to days when you were flying SEP/MEP into some dirt strip airport which is never going to happen again. Wish you could move companies but would have to start from the bottom again. Your current company doesn’t offer what you would like. (That can be a multitude of things).
20% the grumpiest of grumps. These are the LHS people who moan about everything. Usually been in aviation a long time but not always. Does seem to be a group too deep in to be able to give it up. Too much flying. Too little flying. Don’t get paid enough. Get paid too much. (Yes that does sound weird but I flew with a Captain once who complained about the day off working payments. I said it was great incentive to help stop the flight cancellations due to lack of staff, part time workers will be incentivised through this difficult summer. “NO it’s not. I wrote to our Head of Flight Operations and said it’s not needed. We need to save money. REDUCE these payments NOW”. Erm ok)
Too many nights away. Too few nights away.
Aviation isn’t what it used to be. Another CAVOK day, boring. Same person in winter. Oh FFS can’t we just have CAVOK days all the time Im fed up with this. I wish I had done something else. The list is endless.
Sorry completely off piste from the topic but I had a spare 15 mins to burn.
most people are not happy after passing 5 years in the sand pit, but they are happy with money they make and found it better than being a LCC pilot in Europe with a shitty pay.
getting to EK is easy, getting out very hard. when you find you won’t find a job paying your lifestyle ( the fancy car, the endless number of visits to the beach clubs or the exciting vacation destinations you can reach and afford since they are on the network)
first major drop on leaving EK to a LCC, beside the salary, is the realization that you won’t get ZED tickets and your income does not allow to go to Mauritius or Sansibar etc once a year.
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So what you're basically saying is that YOU didn't enjoy life in Dubai and that for some people's personal circumstances working in the Middle East is not an option compatible with their family plans. Fair enough.
Dubai is a love it or hate it kind of city. There are people who do enjoy the life style in Dubai (Le me) and managed to establish relationships with people and a time off work that doesn't feel completely artificial. There are expats there who do things other than beach posing, desert bbq and yacht parties. I left Dubai late 2000s. I still maintain contact with the people who stayed. They're alright. Not all of them feel like they are in a golden cage. Some of them have families and businesses outside of aviation and property in Dubai. If you expect an ME3 adventure to be the same as working for a legacy based in your hometown, then maybe that's your problem right there.
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Dubai is a love it or hate it kind of city. There are people who do enjoy the life style in Dubai (Le me) and managed to establish relationships with people and a time off work that doesn't feel completely artificial. There are expats there who do things other than beach posing, desert bbq and yacht parties. I left Dubai late 2000s. I still maintain contact with the people who stayed. They're alright. Not all of them feel like they are in a golden cage. Some of them have families and businesses outside of aviation and property in Dubai. If you expect an ME3 adventure to be the same as working for a legacy based in your hometown, then maybe that's your problem right there.
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if your life expectations is to sit at home with your family and/or on your whereeveritis property, talking about your side business than EK or Dubai is perfectly right
so for the Kids:
80% of there activities are indoors just because of the climate
My kids are 80% of the year are outdoor having multiple activities which are free of charge
those with the side business have done the only one right thing. Get distracted from the EK sh…… and maximize the profit once they need to go - these guys have my respect.
most people go to EK - for the lifestyle coming with the income they would never have at home. Be honest look around you what people posse and than think of the same street what it would look like back home (MS and MH)
may I ask what are your off time activities around the year or those of your kids if you have some ?
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Did anybody boeing rated had been sent any interview message recently ? My application show status "application recieved" for a quiet some time already and ive been told they are calling only airbus guys recently. Appreciate any feedback 😉
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Boeing guy here also still waiting for first contact. I applied 2 weeks ago and it shows "application under review" since the day I submitted the application. Where did you hear that they're only calling Airbus guys now? Do they have all the Boeing people they need?
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You also sent me one. I read it. You should know that in PPruNe people can't reply to private messages until they've reached a certain amount of thread posts as the PM box only fits 1 message. So answering your PM: Just get yourself a month subscription at latestpilotjobs.com Emirates Pilot Interview and Assessment Preparation. It has a practice section and the comment section is full of advice and specific questions that people were asked.
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Yeah, they're going but they applied earlier possibly. My pal here passed the assessment in Dubai last week and he's now confirmed for course in Nov/Dec. They told him they're hiring 150 Boeing pilots and that the last course will start in February. But they called him just 10 days after he submitted the application about a month ago.
I and a bunch of other Boeing guys I'm in contact with applied 2 weeks ago and we haven't been called to do the Hirevue stage. So could it be that they finished screening Boeing people sometime during the past 2 weeks? Every Boeing pilot I know who was contacted to start the online stages applied more than 3 weeks ago.
I and a bunch of other Boeing guys I'm in contact with applied 2 weeks ago and we haven't been called to do the Hirevue stage. So could it be that they finished screening Boeing people sometime during the past 2 weeks? Every Boeing pilot I know who was contacted to start the online stages applied more than 3 weeks ago.
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Boeing guy here also still waiting for first contact. I applied 2 weeks ago and it shows "application under review" since the day I submitted the application. Where did you hear that they're only calling Airbus guys now? Do they have all the Boeing people they need?
My application has been under review since Feb... Boeing hours over 3500 with over 7000hrs TT... Not too sure what criteria they are looking for at this point in time.
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I generally find the happiest colleagues are the ones that have more going on outside of work. Hobbies, getting out of DXB on days off or a side business etc. In the searing summer heat when getting outdoors is a challenge, it is very easy to get sucked into an EK vortex during your spare time, which revolves around coffee, gossip and tales from frustrated colleagues. During a row of days off, happiness is V1 at DXB!
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