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Old 27th Dec 2021, 23:35
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Question Emirates...is this for real!!???

Quite interesting...

https://onemileatatime.com/news/emir...q0dUR-uPx4QYNs
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 03:27
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What is interesting is how incorrect this article is in its technical descriptions and it’s claims about pilot hiring and that is being polite.
Its actually full of rubbish.
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 09:12
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Seems a bit unlikely to me. Firstly the crew would have to forget to set an initial stop altitude, secondly whatever WAS in the alt window is unlikely to have been 0000. What were the previous crew doing? What does it reset to on power down?
Thirdly, isn't it usual to only engage the AP after thrust reduction? In which case it would have been a normal hand flown departure until at least 1000'

What actually happened, what the crew THINK happened, and what they'll admit to: normally 3 different things...
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 09:35
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But the altitude was steadily increasing- I don't actually see any anomolly.

The fact that a different flight- probably at a different weight and with different requests from ATC proves exactley zero.

BS from a know-nothing IMHO.
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 09:49
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An altitude increase from 75ft to only 175ft within a 11 second timeframe while in the same 11 second timeframe accelerating from 234kt to 262kt seems pretty unusual to me. It seems someone was not flying the bird with normal ~15° pitch up away from the ground.

It seems avherald also has the incident: http://avherald.com/h?article=4f24b2d7&opt=0
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 10:47
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Originally Posted by rudestuff View Post
Seems a bit unlikely to me. Firstly the crew would have to forget to set an initial stop altitude, secondly whatever WAS in the alt window is unlikely to have been 0000. What were the previous crew doing? What does it reset to on power down?
Thirdly, isn't it usual to only engage the AP after thrust reduction? In which case it would have been a normal hand flown departure until at least 1000'

What actually happened, what the crew THINK happened, and what they'll admit to: normally 3 different things...
Emirates discourages hand flying. AP engagement at 200 feet is normal.
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 12:35
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Not quite SOPS, the mantra from Fleet is now to encourage hand flying when conditions allow. Latest OM-A amendment allows manual flying below 20,000', A/T still to remain engaged at all times. Very rarely have I seen the other lad/ladette engage the Autodriver at 200', unless the weather was absolutely pants outside.
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 15:01
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I think she set 0000 in the window instead of 4000. After take off she flew the flight directors instead of looking out the window and trusted the FD as it pitched down to the brown.

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Old 28th Dec 2021, 21:16
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
I think she set 0000 in the window instead of 4000. After take off she flew the flight directors instead of looking out the window and trusted the FD as it pitched down to the brown.
But that would not explain a 4400 m long take-off run and reaching 216 kts on ground (as claimed by AVH). Something (CG or trim setting) prevented normal rotation?
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 21:24
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I don’t see how 4 pilots on the flight deck can all miss seeing 0000 on the MCP as opposed to 4000. There is more to this we don’t know yet.
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 23:35
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Pretty embarrassing to read this if you ask me…
Why did none of the 4 guys pick up ‘0000’ in the alt window on the MCP? SOPs, on several occasions, clearly not followed it seems, as the Alt window comes back a few times in the SOPs if I remember correctly…
Then followed by a PF who thought a pitch of 5degrees was going to get a Triple airborne…..Seriously, What the heck were they thinking…..

Embarrassing to read as an exEK driver... Any info on how ‘worked out’ these guys were? Seems to me so erratic that Fatigue might have played a role maybe? Naaah. Fatigue at EK… will never happen right?
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 06:07
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Originally Posted by 5star View Post
Pretty embarrassing to read this if you ask me…
Why did none of the 4 guys pick up ‘0000’ in the alt window on the MCP? SOPs, on several occasions, clearly not followed it seems, as the Alt window comes back a few times in the SOPs if I remember correctly…
Then followed by a PF who thought a pitch of 5degrees was going to get a Triple airborne…..Seriously, What the heck were they thinking…..

Embarrassing to read as an exEK driver... Any info on how ‘worked out’ these guys were? Seems to me so erratic that Fatigue might have played a role maybe? Naaah. Fatigue at EK… will never happen right?
that event is not a question of following sops anymore.
if an airplane passes the end of runway and is not making any substantial height, the pilots have to take action to change that no matter what sops are saying. But not at EK. The best trained pilots are just watching passing houses underneath and trusting technology, what a f..k..g joke is that. Bottom line is that’s what’s happen if you have sent the experience into redundancy and keep all those on the lower salary with the lower hours on the clock, drive them into total fatigue and stress them with rules of stupidity.
there is one thing clear at EK all those incidents are not only Pilot made, these things are forced by the entire organization and the way they treat employees.
when u are scared of the consequences of being a pilot, there will be a guarantee to make one.
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 08:03
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One girl and three guys…

Why did none of the 4 guys pick up ‘the 0000’

One girl and three guys.
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 08:50
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Why did none of the 4 guys pick up ‘the 0000’

One girl and three guys.
it does not matter

4 qualified pilots - that’s it - not gender or culture related
if they cannot ignore the flight director if shows in the wrong direction in that phase of flight they should question the pilot skills - but EK teaches only trust in FD and they where missing a crucial information - vertical speed and ALT versus airspeed
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 08:56
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I don’t understand is it EK NOPs to follow the bars during takeoff roll ??? We don’t where is the V1 and Rotate calls ?? I don’t think it is only a question of MCP altitude set to 00000.
tire speed limit was exceeded by double as by FR24 if it’s true
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 09:35
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Sorry but is the author of the original article simply inferring the incident based on FR24 data? Or has there been an official report filed or investigation opened? If the author is simply looking at FR24 data and then making up the claims it's incredibly reckless. That data is in no way official or accurate close to the ground. Is anyone on this thread an EK pilot that can confirm this actually happened?
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Airmann View Post
Sorry but is the author of the original article simply inferring the incident based on FR24 data? Or has there been an official report filed or investigation opened? If the author is simply looking at FR24 data and then making up the claims it's incredibly reckless. That data is in no way official or accurate close to the ground. Is anyone on this thread an EK pilot that can confirm this actually happened?
Ignore the first article no pitch down after lift off , but an incident did happen check avherald
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 13:22
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This is going to be very interesting. Let's see how PC EK is going to be based on Sex and nationality of the PF Captain. Might just save the other 3. But rest assured this was a big f..k up! How many more close calls before the big one ?
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 17:37
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All the 4 guys missed it.
Probably fatigue from a previous flight back from the east.

But the ATC gets to see the mcp target altitude !
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Old 30th Dec 2021, 17:50
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I like the statement from Boeing's FCOM 1, saying:
Quote" Pilots must be aware that consistent use and reliance on automation levels III and IV throughout the flight regime will degrade basic flying skills. Therefore, pilots must continue to maintain proficiency by using all levels of automation on a regular basis." It looks like basics of flying any kind of airplane are not followed.
Also I believe, if pilots have face mask (required during Covid-19) while flying, it should be looked into for fatigue.
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