Emirates...is this for real!!???
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From: Dubayy
Desert Witch "Yet their solution, is to hire more cadets. They advertised just today.
There was an experienced ex-cadet in this one.
And an experienced ex-cadet planted a wheels up 777 in Dubai Airport, not so long ago.
For a pilot to be a 777 FO in the US, he or she has already flown lots of General Aviation, lots of Regional, then more Regional as Captain, then lots of medium range as FO.
Compare the amount of exposure, to that of a Emirati cadet, with 3 landings a month, ILS to ILS fully automated.
Then add the company punitive culture.
And the best is, they stay on denial.
I am positive Emirates will have more of these.
I just hope they get as lucky as with all the other 'incidents', because imagine what could had happened with any of the few last ones.
And the ones that don't come to light."
Mind you there have been other incidents MEL, JNB, DME, JFK...etc. where the crew were non-habibi, non-cadet, experienced crew with lots of GA, ex-regional, major airline, flag carrier - the only common factor is that they were all human.
Let's all live and learn. I doubt EK training teaches at Vr "PUSH". I think it's still ROTATE.
There was an experienced ex-cadet in this one.
And an experienced ex-cadet planted a wheels up 777 in Dubai Airport, not so long ago.
For a pilot to be a 777 FO in the US, he or she has already flown lots of General Aviation, lots of Regional, then more Regional as Captain, then lots of medium range as FO.
Compare the amount of exposure, to that of a Emirati cadet, with 3 landings a month, ILS to ILS fully automated.
Then add the company punitive culture.
And the best is, they stay on denial.
I am positive Emirates will have more of these.
I just hope they get as lucky as with all the other 'incidents', because imagine what could had happened with any of the few last ones.
And the ones that don't come to light."
Mind you there have been other incidents MEL, JNB, DME, JFK...etc. where the crew were non-habibi, non-cadet, experienced crew with lots of GA, ex-regional, major airline, flag carrier - the only common factor is that they were all human.
Let's all live and learn. I doubt EK training teaches at Vr "PUSH". I think it's still ROTATE.
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Desert Witch "Yet their solution, is to hire more cadets. They advertised just today.
There was an experienced ex-cadet in this one.
And an experienced ex-cadet planted a wheels up 777 in Dubai Airport, not so long ago.
For a pilot to be a 777 FO in the US, he or she has already flown lots of General Aviation, lots of Regional, then more Regional as Captain, then lots of medium range as FO.
Compare the amount of exposure, to that of a Emirati cadet, with 3 landings a month, ILS to ILS fully automated.
Then add the company punitive culture.
And the best is, they stay on denial.
I am positive Emirates will have more of these.
I just hope they get as lucky as with all the other 'incidents', because imagine what could had happened with any of the few last ones.
And the ones that don't come to light."
Mind you there have been other incidents MEL, JNB, DME, JFK...etc. where the crew were non-habibi, non-cadet, experienced crew with lots of GA, ex-regional, major airline, flag carrier - the only common factor is that they were all human.
Let's all live and learn. I doubt EK training teaches at Vr "PUSH". I think it's still ROTATE.
There was an experienced ex-cadet in this one.
And an experienced ex-cadet planted a wheels up 777 in Dubai Airport, not so long ago.
For a pilot to be a 777 FO in the US, he or she has already flown lots of General Aviation, lots of Regional, then more Regional as Captain, then lots of medium range as FO.
Compare the amount of exposure, to that of a Emirati cadet, with 3 landings a month, ILS to ILS fully automated.
Then add the company punitive culture.
And the best is, they stay on denial.
I am positive Emirates will have more of these.
I just hope they get as lucky as with all the other 'incidents', because imagine what could had happened with any of the few last ones.
And the ones that don't come to light."
Mind you there have been other incidents MEL, JNB, DME, JFK...etc. where the crew were non-habibi, non-cadet, experienced crew with lots of GA, ex-regional, major airline, flag carrier - the only common factor is that they were all human.
Let's all live and learn. I doubt EK training teaches at Vr "PUSH". I think it's still ROTATE.
Finally a comment with some common sense and more importantly Professional Attitude!!!!!
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From: UK
On large / long aircraft, one also has to be careful about tail strikes, so reference to the PFD pitch scale during rotation is not unreasonable. But you can look outside and still check PFD with quick glances.
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You have never been taught , there in lies the problem. There is the new wave of those who let the aircraft fly you ISO you fly the plane . Not saying it applies to you !
Last edited by fatbus; 9th January 2022 at 13:43.
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No, your comment doesn't apply to me. I was taught and trained to be an IFR pilot - with an instrument rating - so I look outside AND at the PFD when rotating, 
And once the outside cues have gone, onto instruments, naturally.
And once the outside cues have gone, onto instruments, naturally.
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From: Far, Far Away
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From: nowhere
Probably your meaning of experience is different from mine.
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From: Doomadgee
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From: Anchorage
It happened little sister flydubai a number of weeks ago too.
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From: Doctor's waiting room
Not the smartest move to see one of our Fleet Tech Pilots comment on social media, where his name and position is visible to all and especially so when the company has asked for restraint when engaging in such activities.
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From: Aust
That Melbourne incident was preceded by another CX A340 tail strike in Auckland on departure for Hong Kong. The ex cadet captain chose to not return but continue to the VHHH for further 13 odd hours.
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From: Runcorn,Cheshire,England