Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬
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where do you have openings at ek from - ek has just called a handful of pilots from UPL - no openings there
mew t n c at ek are not defined yet and they have already cut schooling allowance by15% which means everyone must add from his pocket to the kids in school
housing is down to company accom only unless u brav enough(or stupid) to buy now and have a thought about it as banks are not giving mortgages or loans (not even car loans) to EK employees - even Emirates Ndb does not where where the chief is the same as EK as an airline - think about that - when your airline boss does not give u a loan as your bank boss
so much about the trust in an ek emoloyment
mew t n c at ek are not defined yet and they have already cut schooling allowance by15% which means everyone must add from his pocket to the kids in school
housing is down to company accom only unless u brav enough(or stupid) to buy now and have a thought about it as banks are not giving mortgages or loans (not even car loans) to EK employees - even Emirates Ndb does not where where the chief is the same as EK as an airline - think about that - when your airline boss does not give u a loan as your bank boss
so much about the trust in an ek emoloyment
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.... a midget takes 3 hostages and releases one of them."
Afterwards many minions are dealing with as an "act of goodwill" and as improvement.
This is why this airline is the last options among so many pilots, and the only for others.
The place doesn't impresses me anymore though. But the people working on it they do...
Afterwards many minions are dealing with as an "act of goodwill" and as improvement.
This is why this airline is the last options among so many pilots, and the only for others.
The place doesn't impresses me anymore though. But the people working on it they do...
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I was in QAR many moons ago, and at that time I heard legends of ATR Captains being thrown on the left seat of a 330 because the company had no option if they wanted to crew the flights. I've always refused to believe it but... now it looks plausible.
Even if they booked external sims, they still have the issue of the quarantine into the country where the sim is, right?
Even if they booked external sims, they still have the issue of the quarantine into the country where the sim is, right?
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Yes they may be short of pilots but they are not hiring from outside, they are rejoining pilots who were made redundant. Apparently they asked 120 to return and only 20 replied positively.
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Sorry for not stating things clearly guys and gals. Yes, markets are opening examples include;
WRT EK, I did not mean to imply they are hiring, sorry for tham I meant to say that if you get the opportunity to go there instead of QA, you should seeing that it is the lesser of 2 evils.
SandPilot350 this is sooo true but 777 was a problem pre pandemic the back log of cargo alone is a problem with the 777. So i doubt anything will be done about that anytime soon. Customers who have contracts with QA are getting
by QA cargo department, as QA cannot fulfil all the cargo orders but they desperately need their cargo to move look at Aliexpress and Alibaba. Their own cargo airline but QA still has contracts with them for cargo shipping which has problems on it's own.
The Lost Goat Are you sure about this statement? "Apparently they asked 120 to return and only 20 replied positively."
I CAN BE WRONG HERE but i believe most people are coming back the problem is actually with RPs (another rumor i cannot confirm) which makes no sense to me But I hope most people deny jobs back here in ackbar airways. after treating staff this bad WITH NO PRUBLICITY ABOUT IT. i hope people stay away.
What I would like to say. I think salaries were reinstated not because that the airline cares about you guys LOL. but actually because of the amount of people leaving. pilots need the incentive to stay. What i have heard is; 777 South American pilots left, 350 Pilots left. Which are the 2 fleets really flying. so it is expected.
Let's hope QA starts back being the airline MASS hiring again.
Keep with the updates and rumor guys GOOD JOB!
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WRT EK, I did not mean to imply they are hiring, sorry for tham I meant to say that if you get the opportunity to go there instead of QA, you should seeing that it is the lesser of 2 evils.
SandPilot350 this is sooo true but 777 was a problem pre pandemic the back log of cargo alone is a problem with the 777. So i doubt anything will be done about that anytime soon. Customers who have contracts with QA are getting
by QA cargo department, as QA cannot fulfil all the cargo orders but they desperately need their cargo to move look at Aliexpress and Alibaba. Their own cargo airline but QA still has contracts with them for cargo shipping which has problems on it's own.The Lost Goat Are you sure about this statement? "Apparently they asked 120 to return and only 20 replied positively."
I CAN BE WRONG HERE but i believe most people are coming back the problem is actually with RPs (another rumor i cannot confirm) which makes no sense to me But I hope most people deny jobs back here in ackbar airways. after treating staff this bad WITH NO PRUBLICITY ABOUT IT. i hope people stay away.
What I would like to say. I think salaries were reinstated not because that the airline cares about you guys LOL. but actually because of the amount of people leaving. pilots need the incentive to stay. What i have heard is; 777 South American pilots left, 350 Pilots left. Which are the 2 fleets really flying. so it is expected.
Let's hope QA starts back being the airline MASS hiring again.
Keep with the updates and rumor guys GOOD JOB!
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is this with or without the 25% reduction?... I know pilots (rejoiners) who received contracts based on yr1 base pay reduced by 25%... so what you say is actually better.
Of the people I spoke to when you say seniority... generally we’re talking staff number here... they couldn’t give a monkeys - if you enter on the 777, it’s unlikely you’re going anywhere else i.e Fleet Transfer (for DEC)... so essentially all the staff number is good for is staff travel. For FOs it’s important for Command Upgrade (if you’re planning on staying that long!).
Of the people I spoke to when you say seniority... generally we’re talking staff number here... they couldn’t give a monkeys - if you enter on the 777, it’s unlikely you’re going anywhere else i.e Fleet Transfer (for DEC)... so essentially all the staff number is good for is staff travel. For FOs it’s important for Command Upgrade (if you’re planning on staying that long!).
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So which information is correct then?
The contracts has been offered to my friends, are with %25 pay cut in the basic salary. So apparently re-joiners will work with different contracts than contiuers..
The contracts has been offered to my friends, are with %25 pay cut in the basic salary. So apparently re-joiners will work with different contracts than contiuers..
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The guys were probably offered rejoining contracts before the 25% salary reinstatement. Its probably back to the normal year 1 salary now.
Married pilots, especially those with families may not return. Don't think the wives would be too happy in relocating especially, after the way they were treated. Some could commute, but if the company plans on reducing the terms of the schooling allowance and the quantum then that would be a big NO NO. Some may still come back. At the end of the day, everyone that returns have their own reasons. Thinks have not been easy for everyone over the last year and still no one knows exactly when they may get a new job or a recall. Circumstances change for everyone from day to day.
But those who do return would definitely bailout the moment they get offered a decent job or the moment they finish their bond. There is no more loyalty either way, the airline showed everyone that they were just a number. And that they can do anything as they please. I personally see the ME3 having a hard time keeping people after this. Turn over rate is going to be higher than before. It would affect them in their expansion plans. Only way to mitigate it would be to offer higher salaries in the coming years. They were one of the higher paying airlines about 10 years ago, but not anymore, lots of others have caught up with them. The only thing that had going for themselves was family security, a decent salary and the perks. All of that aint going to matter to most once the jobs open up.
Married pilots, especially those with families may not return. Don't think the wives would be too happy in relocating especially, after the way they were treated. Some could commute, but if the company plans on reducing the terms of the schooling allowance and the quantum then that would be a big NO NO. Some may still come back. At the end of the day, everyone that returns have their own reasons. Thinks have not been easy for everyone over the last year and still no one knows exactly when they may get a new job or a recall. Circumstances change for everyone from day to day.
But those who do return would definitely bailout the moment they get offered a decent job or the moment they finish their bond. There is no more loyalty either way, the airline showed everyone that they were just a number. And that they can do anything as they please. I personally see the ME3 having a hard time keeping people after this. Turn over rate is going to be higher than before. It would affect them in their expansion plans. Only way to mitigate it would be to offer higher salaries in the coming years. They were one of the higher paying airlines about 10 years ago, but not anymore, lots of others have caught up with them. The only thing that had going for themselves was family security, a decent salary and the perks. All of that aint going to matter to most once the jobs open up.
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so what about the people who joined first and left first. you are lucky now but once you are senior enough they might kick you out again. the higher the seniority in Qatar equals less security of a job. Imagine you have an A350 type rating and you are over 55 years old where can you find a job that accepts you?
Why does QR flight ops/ HR do anything that needs forthought. They are reactionary driven. When times were good the numpties reduced the stby numbers to the bare minimum - all assuming things go normal. They relied on the goodwill of the crew to get the operation through if a hiccup occurs. They grabbed the new EASA FTLs with such glee they had a virtual orgasm - every long haul flight could be a maximum of 24hrs rest! Hallelujah! Reduce crew numbers further but keep the same operation. Keep it all legal by having a sham FRMS!
As said - the chickens are coming home to roost.
As said - the chickens are coming home to roost.
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I was told by someone that works in Qatar, that Qatari employment law specifies that you should be paid the same wage for employees doing the same job etc. Not sure if that’s true or not. I was directed to Part six Article 65 of their employment law.
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"Article (65) The Worker shall be entitled to the wages specified in the service contract and if the contract does not specify the wage the worker shall be entitled to the wage specified in the work regulations. If the wage is not specified in accordance with the preceding paragraph the worker shall be entitled to a wage equivalent to the wage specified for work of a similar type in the establishment and otherwise in accordance with the custom applicable to the profession in the place of performance of the work and if there is no such custom the judge shall specify the wage in accordance with the requirements of justice."
In the absence of a contract this would be true.
In the absence of a contract this would be true.
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Law? Contract? I'm a big fan of sandpit fairy tales too!
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Law? Contract? I'm a big fan of sandpit fairy tales too!
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