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Old 20th Jun 2021, 09:31
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While what you are saying is of course true I think that is not the point he makes. I fly both of the Boeing types and a lot of FOs I fly with especially on the 787 say similar. Obviously we all take time to adjust to something new but the quality of some new hires on Boeing is well below the required standard especially given the weight of responsibility the OMA places on Captains with the narrow constraints put on FOs.
Short and rushed training courses coupled with the fact there is no requirement for wide body time do not help either.

Bottom line on this issue(and its a big issue the company ignores) is that talented FOs have left and will most certainly leave in the future due to a ridiculous lack of advancement opportunities. Currently they won't even give a guy his 3rd stripe when he earns it.
Training have been telling management for a while that soon DECs will be "unrosterable" under blue line restrictions. This is due to a lack of SFOs to as said above to "babysit".
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Old 20th Jun 2021, 13:22
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Let go from 777 Capt in Dec, still waiting.
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Old 21st Jun 2021, 07:30
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Rug

dont know if it’s true but all eligible Boeing pilots already called back,

Some ex 330/380 guys already back from outside and others have been contacted.

ex 320 only taken back from inside the country so far.
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Old 21st Jun 2021, 09:13
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"Eligible"?

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So just for my reference, can anyone elaborate on who are eligible according to QR for recall and based on what factors?
Also would help if anyone who has gone the Psychometric test would be willing to connect so (if and ) when the time comes we can prepare.
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Old 21st Jun 2021, 09:17
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latestpilotjobs.com for PSA, not eligible people on final warning letters / shouting at redundancy interview etc..
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 04:19
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Well guys, I believe I’m eligible, 777 Capt, no letters, redundant in August. Still waiting. Either there is an informal black list managed by the usual suspects or a lot of theories in this forum are just “blowing wind “.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 08:23
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The forum is correct. I understand that appx 200 boeing pilots have returned since April/May. I am one of them.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 08:59
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How long were you in the company? Less/more than approx 1˝ years? Plenty of 103xxx staffnumbers still around so if you were senior to them or especially if you were a lot more senior than them, then don't expect a call anytime soon. At the moment there's former 330/380 guys back in the country about to start a full 777 typerating course.

Yes, there is a black list even if you never were told of any disciplinary actions against you. On the other hand they are getting desperate so you might get a call anyway depending on why you were let go.

But again if you had been in the company for more than 2-3 years you have to ask yourself why you were singled out when so few guys from 777 were let go. It has been the least affected fleet (in terms of redundancy) during this entire pandemic.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 09:41
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A post from the 5th of May;

"With the currently lack of crew, and the significant demand, the only option for them is to overwork the current pilots and CC, this will result in the exhaustion of the current workforce they have; resulting the the frustration and 'loss' (leave) of those who they currently have. Making the gap between the 'availability of crew' to 'demand of crew' bigger resulting in more over worked and more leaving increasing the gap even more. ( Negative feedback loop)?

desertdog "Very well said. I couldn't have written it better. Me as FO I can confirm everything you said. I was worried about my job at the beginning of the pandemic. Now? Now I don't care anymore and if I get fired I'll be glad someone made the decision for me. I'm incredibly tired, I'm just surviving on flights from lack of rest. Sometimes I'm so tired I'd rather just do paperwork and have no interest in flying. Constant fluster from poor communication and bad decisions by our management. I do the bare minimum just to make the flight safe and not have to explain anything in the office and the rest I don't really, really care. Now I look at my roster I just want to cry. A roster that is only legal in Qatar, according to EASA or FAA my license should have been suspended a long time ago. No chance to be home, see my folks and do perfectly normal things. I'm just flying, fighting fatigue, locked in a hotel room with no way to get out and eating economy food from plastic boxes."

The downfall of Qatar has started already. Personally I do not know desertdog but I can tell you that; if he is given the opportunity to get another flying job in another region of the world, there is a good chance he/she will take it. Factors he/she may consider if he/she is considering leaving;

Cost of living
Benefits
Possible upgrades (fleet/ctp/sfo)
Salary
Lifestyle
Rostering
Seniority

Now, QA is a company that can boast of some good things; from right to left seat tends to be quick [but not the only airline that is quick e.g. easyjet, skywest, etc] but regional vs international it is quick.

Look at the factors listed above... most places/companies anywhere else would be better than qa on these aspects.... ok their salary will be better, but you've worked here and made the money already...

Does qa think people will not consider these things? Look at the way their staff is treated... it is rubbish! I have some mates on the 777 and they are sooo fatigued and are begging for some rest.. BEGGING! Expect it to only get worse... you guys are in for some serious sheeet....

From what is going around the table and the forums;

boeing is coming back heavily. I believed it was all the boeing pilots back, but apparently not... we got a few on the forum here who are not as fortunate... 777kicker & Huw Jorgan sorry to hear guys.... as you rightly mentioned, some criteria for their stupid 'lists' that no one knows how it is produced. Must be just whose face they like. But guys do keep in contact with each other and hit me a message... I would like to see how this will unfold. Are there any more boeing qa pilots who have not been called back? Reason why i am asking, i personally know of junior guys who are back in doha now... so most people should have been back aswell.

330/380 almost every month or 2 revaluations of bringing back the 380 are in talks... and it starts of as YES YES YES but then dies down to a noo... nooo.. nooooo.... glad to see they have finally decided to call back those guys... i know of some 380 not sooo senior guys who have been called back... and i personally believe that 330 guys should not be thrown away... as mentioned by someone above... they begged people to go on the 330, just to keep the fleet alive until they are able to burn the fleet and transfer them to something else... pandemic came and they took the biggest cut... QUESTION; are all 330 guys back? are all 380 guys back? It seems the narrative now is to transfer them to 777 only [ previously it was 777 and 350] but 350 [personally] i find is a dying fleet. Can people flying 350 tell me how your hours are looking this and next month?

always a big thanks to SandPilot350 for posting the best of the best! I came here today to talk about the transfers to 777 but you handled it already! All this is true... last week thursday airbus pilots had to submit an answer to if they will move to boeing and if not...why... how childish qa... but this is to show the SERIOUS demand on the 777. Cargo still cannot fulfil the contracts made while [as mentioned] the pilots are exhausted! but this will free space on the airbus fleets encouraging the airline to rehire guys on 350 and 320...350 hires FINALLY!

March 21 was the last influx of 320 rehires... the idea of 320 rehires are ONLY form inside doha is incorrect... they brought back people from outside but MAJORITY are from inside. If i am correct it is under 20 guys who rejoined... I would actually believe the number is less... prob 10.. cannot mention the 320 without mentioning the MPL. I have heard both stories that high hour MPL guys were asked to come back, but also heard that no MPLs were called... can you MPL guys clarify this? additionally talks about MPLs within doha have/have not been called... are there MPL cadets still in doha unemployed? I was made to believe every pilot in the airline is either working or have gone home, that NO unemployed pilots (MPL or non MPL) are still in qatar... The last batch of MPLs was fired in Feb/March2021 [ 1st batch i believe was April/July2020]... are any of them still here?

Salaries...

Who here can confirm their salaries? Both talks are being thrown around... most recently I heard that qatari law would not allow difference in salaries for the same job. Someone with S# 123 cannot work for more than someone with S#1234 {ignoring yearly increases, etc.} basically all should have the 23 FO,etc salaires regardless. But now i am seeing that there are guys who are coming back and THEIR CONTRACT IS LESS THAN 23xxxx? WTF?

Keep posting guys, keep asking, keep'em coming!
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 13:16
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320 MPL

The last batch of MPLs who were fired in Feb/march '21 , before they finished the separation process, some were called back. No one I am aware of from outside Doha were given the call.. at-least yet.
Additionally I know of 1 MPL FO who had just finished his line check in march last year and got culled in June '20 and has since been stuck in Doha (due to home country not allowing anyone cross borders) and has not been asked yet to join back.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 13:27
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I personally know of an A330 Captain who was invited to rejoin. He is just waiting for a joining date and fleet allocation.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 17:58
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Lots of rumors / news but the only thing that is for sure is that they have 0 idea how to run an airline but the worst part is all the families they destroy while doing this..
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 18:24
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They don't seem to realise it yet, or maybe they do, that the two tier pay structure has done a great deal of damage. Ask anyone (well most) why they come to the ME and they will tell you, money. Take that away or dilute it and it becomes just another job. If you can live at home and earn similar money, why oh why would you put up with this mismanagement. Looking forward to COVID being a thing of the past and the job market to pick up.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 20:07
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I guess you missed the opportunity to put some pressure on them when you accepted these new conditions, if no one did they would have to reconsider their plan... it is not fair to put it on someone else's shoulders now, live with your decision.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 22:15
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Middle East reality check. I am working for QR since 2014 and still don't have a contract. Only the offer letter signed.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 07:57
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Staff number lower than 30k, 9000 hours in the company on 3 different airplanes with one go-around in 2012 and 0 letters,0 office calls, 0 alternates, 0 safety office visits. Must really look ugly or must really have pissed off some spineless office bitch without the courage to tell me. Informal black lists are SSOO QR style! Enjoy guys, sorry for you all.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 12:11
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Chief has put Saliya as SVP Operations DIA & Saliya is in charge of Manpower Planning Flight ops.



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Old 24th Jun 2021, 12:38
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This will have a political background.His brother Ravi Karunanayake is in the Sri Lankan government.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 19:31
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Just FYI -
The careers page now has an opening for "Rejoining ex QR cabin crew" to apply. Could expect something similar in future for flight crew.

https://careers.qatarairways.com/glo...abin-Crew-2021
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Rossen email to CC, He is considering Visitor Policy” I think this is just desperation that will be used as a “Marketing” Campaign- by the new VP Babar Rahman”

QR is desperate right now, CC are resigning and leaving, the interesting thing would be , Will it be ok merit or As usual Pick & Choose.
Time shall tell.
I wouldn’t jump the guns right now, knowing how easily qr switches gear.
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