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Qatar Airways has just started the process of inviting both Boeing and Airbus for additional capacity.
Aircraft in discussion are the B777-200IGW, B777-200LR and the A340-500.
The sales campaign is for 3 firm + 2 options. This could change to 6 firm and 2 options as the study is finalised.
The year 2002 and 2003 is forecasted to see an increase of over 35% for QTR.
The CEO is in favor of the B777, but not his UK advisors!!!!
Aircraft in discussion are the B777-200IGW, B777-200LR and the A340-500.
The sales campaign is for 3 firm + 2 options. This could change to 6 firm and 2 options as the study is finalised.
The year 2002 and 2003 is forecasted to see an increase of over 35% for QTR.
The CEO is in favor of the B777, but not his UK advisors!!!!
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Hello Riscy,
I was informed that the decision has already been made on the A340-500. Al-Baker also said that QR will be aquiring A340-500's in an interview with a Gulf News reporter during Farnborough. The A345 is the best choice since the Amir is getting one and the Amiri fleet and QR mainline fleet are/have intergrated. Also CCQ of Airbus aircraft make sense. Do you know when the order will be anounced?
BTW Do you work for QR?
I was informed that the decision has already been made on the A340-500. Al-Baker also said that QR will be aquiring A340-500's in an interview with a Gulf News reporter during Farnborough. The A345 is the best choice since the Amir is getting one and the Amiri fleet and QR mainline fleet are/have intergrated. Also CCQ of Airbus aircraft make sense. Do you know when the order will be anounced?
BTW Do you work for QR?
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To Elaborate further on my post:
QR need an Ultra-Longhaul aircraft to commence non-stop services to New York in 2004. The Contenders are the A340-500 and B777-200LR. The A340-500 would fit better because of CCQ and because of the fact the Amir will also get an A340-500, same engines, same parts, same crew.
QR also need aircraft larger than the A332 to handle the capacity shortage in Asia and fly to LHR in case the slots are not awarded. The A330-300, A340-500, A340-300, B777-200ER could fit the role. The A330-300 and A340-500 are the only aircraft that make sense. The A343 has poir performance especially out of a hot airport like DOH and the A345 is too heavy for the Asian Runs which leaves the A330-300. The A330-300 would be perfect since it has the same type rating as the A330-200, shares parts and has the same engines. The A330-300 is also very efficient on flights under 4100nm since it is a "light" aircraft unlike the A343, A345 and B777-200ER/LR which are better suited for longer range flights.
QR need an Ultra-Longhaul aircraft to commence non-stop services to New York in 2004. The Contenders are the A340-500 and B777-200LR. The A340-500 would fit better because of CCQ and because of the fact the Amir will also get an A340-500, same engines, same parts, same crew.
QR also need aircraft larger than the A332 to handle the capacity shortage in Asia and fly to LHR in case the slots are not awarded. The A330-300, A340-500, A340-300, B777-200ER could fit the role. The A330-300 and A340-500 are the only aircraft that make sense. The A343 has poir performance especially out of a hot airport like DOH and the A345 is too heavy for the Asian Runs which leaves the A330-300. The A330-300 would be perfect since it has the same type rating as the A330-200, shares parts and has the same engines. The A330-300 is also very efficient on flights under 4100nm since it is a "light" aircraft unlike the A343, A345 and B777-200ER/LR which are better suited for longer range flights.
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Hello MTQatar,
No. No decision has been as yet on the A340-500. The discounts from Airbus do not seem in line with one would have expected for an aircraft yet to be certified and only with a handful of orders and customers.
Boeing is trying to place the B777-200LR in the market.
Agree on CCQ. But remember that the competition will not be between Airbus and Boeing but will at the end of the day be between GE (B777) and RR (A340).
It has been known that RR simply ignored QTR on the first A340-500 deal offering no airframe credits as they had the monopoly on the engine choice. GE are not known to do that and are expected to shave off a huge sum of the B777 price in terms of concessions and credits.
Have you been inside an A340-500? No difference than an A330 or an A300. The B777 has the advantage of cabin size where the Airline will place additional goodies for the pax.
Do you know that QTR has made Airbus to sign an NDA before QTR can share the cabin layout designs proposed by QTR for the A380. QTR is having the VIP Cabin designers working on the A380 cabin layout for QTR. One wonders how the A380 aircraft will make money if total proposed pax is only 450 pax???
have a nice day.
No. No decision has been as yet on the A340-500. The discounts from Airbus do not seem in line with one would have expected for an aircraft yet to be certified and only with a handful of orders and customers.
Boeing is trying to place the B777-200LR in the market.
Agree on CCQ. But remember that the competition will not be between Airbus and Boeing but will at the end of the day be between GE (B777) and RR (A340).
It has been known that RR simply ignored QTR on the first A340-500 deal offering no airframe credits as they had the monopoly on the engine choice. GE are not known to do that and are expected to shave off a huge sum of the B777 price in terms of concessions and credits.
Have you been inside an A340-500? No difference than an A330 or an A300. The B777 has the advantage of cabin size where the Airline will place additional goodies for the pax.
Do you know that QTR has made Airbus to sign an NDA before QTR can share the cabin layout designs proposed by QTR for the A380. QTR is having the VIP Cabin designers working on the A380 cabin layout for QTR. One wonders how the A380 aircraft will make money if total proposed pax is only 450 pax???
have a nice day.
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Have you been inside an A340-500? No difference than an A330 or an A300. The B777 has the advantage of cabin size where the Airline will place additional goodies for the pax.
Do you know the timeframe for the orders?
Anyway here is the aritlce from Gulf News. "Rasha Owais" was also one of the 5 or so journalists that were brought by QR to attend Farnborough.
Qatar Airways, with an Airbus-dominated fleet, yesterday took delivery of its second Airbus A330-200 at the Farnborough Air Show. It is also said to have order-ed for a long-haul A340-500.
The delivery of the plane was announced by Akbar Al Baker, Qatar Airways chief executive, and Noel Forgeard, Airbus president and chief executive.
As part of a long-term growth plan, Qatar Airways will raise its fleet of eight A330-200 and is also a launch customer of the A380.
Growth plans mean increasing the fleet from 16 to 30 and raising destinations from 35 to over 60 by end-2004.
It also added that the new A330-200 was flown from Airbus Industries' Toulouse plant to Farnborough where it was displayed along with the airliner's corporate jetliner, A319, for which Qatar Airways was the launch customer.
The new aircraft will be operated on European routes, including Frankfurt and Milan. It has a configuration of 12 first class, 18 business class and 208 economy class seats.
"Qatar Airways is a growing airline, averaging a growth of almost 30 per cent a year,' said Forgeard.
"Our growth is averaging around 35 per cent. In 2002, growth in the first quarter was as high as 60 per cent," said Al Baker.
"With the introduction of A330 as the new flagship of our fleet, we are boosting growth, adding new destinations and more capacity."
The GCC carrier was delivered its first A330-200 in May this year which flies on regional routes and the London-Doha sector.
Starting operations in 1994 and re-launched in 1997, Qatar Airways is building a new Doha International Airport for $1 billion. The $20 million revamping of the arrival terminal is under way.
The new airport will be ready by 2006, in time for the Asian Games which Qatar is hosting.
The current Qatar Airways fleet includes seven Airbus A300-600R, seven Airbus A320, an Airbus corporate jet, AC319, and an Airbus A330-200.
Aircraft on order include four Airbus A330-200, two Airbus A380 and ten Airbus A320.
Fleet options are on five aircraft including three Airbus A330-200 and two Airbus A380.
Qatar Airways has also diversified operations into Qatar Aviation Services, Qatar Duty Free, Qatar Distribution Co, Qatar Holidays and the newly-formed Qatar Catering Co.
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Surely it would make perfect sense to select Airbus products over Boeing at this stage of the Company's expansion, to ensure maximised commonality in all areas of operation and maintenance?
I would have to agree with MT Qatar on that one, however it is equally interesting to note the comments made regarding the level of discounts being offered by Airbus for the purchase.
LH announced on Friday that they had finalised the purchase of 10 Airbus A330's for delivery through 2003-2004. The final order value is rumoured to be 25-30% LOWER than the "list price". Just shows the strength of LH's purchasing power???
Who are the Uk based "advisors" to Qatar Airways?
I would have to agree with MT Qatar on that one, however it is equally interesting to note the comments made regarding the level of discounts being offered by Airbus for the purchase.
LH announced on Friday that they had finalised the purchase of 10 Airbus A330's for delivery through 2003-2004. The final order value is rumoured to be 25-30% LOWER than the "list price". Just shows the strength of LH's purchasing power???
Who are the Uk based "advisors" to Qatar Airways?
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I was first informed about the B777 / A345 competition in a breif email by A. L. Head of Airline Planning, Alliances and Codeshares but she refused to disclose more information.
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Please remeber that what makes a deal is not what the pilots or engineers say or like, it is the bottom line, what the financing people say. Once the commercial/planning decide on the equipment it is then left for the money ($) to talk.
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Riscy,
Long time no see, Do you have any updates on this such when will the order be anounced? what aircraft is the favourite for winning the deal? and when will deliveries start?
According to an Arabic Language newspapers the order was supposed to be placed earlier this year for 6 aircraft and 3 leased aircraft. Including 5 widebodies and 4 narrowbodies. Airways magazine says that the decision to choose between the B777 and the A345 could be taken as early as July and that has passed too.
Any info will be appreciated.
Long time no see, Do you have any updates on this such when will the order be anounced? what aircraft is the favourite for winning the deal? and when will deliveries start?
According to an Arabic Language newspapers the order was supposed to be placed earlier this year for 6 aircraft and 3 leased aircraft. Including 5 widebodies and 4 narrowbodies. Airways magazine says that the decision to choose between the B777 and the A345 could be taken as early as July and that has passed too.
Any info will be appreciated.
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A300Man,
I don't understand what you meant with "Habibi, are you thinking what I am thinking? (regarding the source of the above posts, I mean?)". Can you PM please.
That was what I read in Gulf News, Al-Hayat Newspaper, Al-Sharq, a QR pilot and one of TC's posts. But I threw all that away with the assumption of Riscy's position.
I don't understand what you meant with "Habibi, are you thinking what I am thinking? (regarding the source of the above posts, I mean?)". Can you PM please.
My bet is still on Airbus products.
