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EK resignations on the up again...

Old 21st Aug 2018, 05:21
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Well in terms of the company allowance: it changes from time to time. They have many empty houses but afaik not many apartments - thatís the rumor.

Salary and expected upgrade time are not that bad here if you are a FO. Dubai is at all not a shitty place - especially if you make friends quickly initially and then start to select your new core friends. Most of the times itís not the place it is yourself,your believes kind of thinking which decrease your happiness.

More people are leaving than joining. Some very old and senior Cpt said that they might adjust salary again. Since this has happened in the past it must of course not necessarily happen in future again..

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Old 21st Aug 2018, 06:17
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Very little job satisfaction, and zero work/life balance, is what Ek comes down too. Ek is trying to be a first world airline with third world mentality/management. If work is all you want to do, then its the place for you. Rosters are non existent, pay & conditions are below standard compared to first world/top airlines, toxic hostile work enviornment, factory housing, treated with very little respect etc. looking forward to leaving as well, its been an eye opener for sure.
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 07:40
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Originally Posted by Rainman7 View Post
Very little job satisfaction, and zero work/life balance, is what Ek comes down too. Ek is trying to be a first world airline with third world mentality/management. If work is all you want to do, then its the place for you. Rosters are non existent, pay & conditions are below standard compared to first world/top airlines, toxic hostile work enviornment, factory housing, treated with very little respect etc. looking forward to leaving as well, its been an eye opener for sure.
How long have you been there?
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 08:51
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Itís the same everywhere anyway. They need loads of people but wonít decrease the super long duties or increase the pay, what are you going to do..this is tge reality of the profession. Thruth is, if youíre young open to new experiences and looking for a good time I doubt doing 4 legs 12/13 hrs days is the way to go. But what do I know
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 09:04
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Originally Posted by felixthecat View Post
Everyone does their best, but the experience levels have and continue to drop. Very experienced people leaving being replaced with very inexperienced. Draw from that what you wish.
True...........
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 09:05
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Originally Posted by PW151 View Post
Hey Everyone - So, I'm seeing lots of comments suggesting there are better places than EK. Which airline would you suggest a Canadian airline pilot go to overseas in order to make good money, while living an acceptable lifestyle?

Well I guess Saudia is off the table.

Stay where you are. Unless you suffer from da big shiny shiny
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 10:27
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Yorkshire Pudding, probably the most succint and accurate summary of life in Dubai as an Emirates Pilot I have ever seen.
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 20:03
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Pretty much sums up my stay here
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 06:40
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YP,

That’s one of the best and most accurate post I have read in a long long time...
it makes me laugh when some people say that the weather is only bad in July and August but from September it’s lovely, in my experience from May to the end of October it’s pretty much unbearable!
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 07:12
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My last 777 roster consisted: 20 sectors (7 turn arounds) plus sim and ground duty, 9 finishes after midnight, 7 finishes after 6am, 9 days off (2 are single days off. such as 1 day off in 11 days of duty, some are company days off which could be removed).
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.....and yet there are people on this forum reading everything that's posted here and still deciding to join. That sort of roster will kill you, literally.

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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 08:11
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Originally Posted by CaptainProp View Post
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.....and yet there are people on this forum reading everything that's posted here and still deciding to join. That sort of roster will kill you, literally.

CP
At the risk of getting "told off", I agree with you CP, and people say.."I will just stay another XX years" and it I will leave. Are they sure they will still be alive in XX number of years?
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 09:12
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding View Post
My last 777 roster consisted: 20 sectors (7 turn arounds) plus sim and ground duty, 9 finishes after midnight, 7 finishes after 6am, 9 days off (2 are single days off. .
This is real people, and save for the lack of turn arounds, the Whale roster is no picnic either. Think looooong and hard, and stop fooling yourself because that is not what ďshe said.Ē
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 14:19
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Last nightstop in LHR at the local Sainsbury the Nescafe Azera Americano Barista Style Instant Coffee Tin at 100g was £3.00

Today in Dubai at Park n Shop £9.50
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 14:24
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AimHigh no disrespect but no night flying and no jet lag....... that says it all really. I wish I could sleep in the spare room as opposed to controlled rest for '20 mins'. Till you have worked the long haul to this level and flown night after night and jet lagged up to the eyeballs you really have no idea. I have flown both sides of the fence and there is no comparison. The vast majority of the complaints are not money based they are life style and exhaustion based.

£2k a year service charge as we live in a flat.....try guys here paying £5500 a year for apartment service charges.

Yeah there are certain high costs in Dubai compared to U.K./London. Yeah we live in London so it is expensive, our local is £6 a pint.... try £12-£15 a pint

Went to a nice restaurant the other day and we spent nearly £200 with only half a bottle of wine and 2 glasses of champagne. .... try over £100 a head for a fairly average meal and a glass of wine in a decent restaurant. Add champagne ...hahaha
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 14:44
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An extreme example maybe but that is over $100,000 for a night out - and this bill was a few years ago before VAT. Probably add another 50% for inflation now too.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 15:02
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Poor taste.

Poor example.

Extreme vulgarity.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 15:19
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Perhaps I should have added.

Not my bill. It was doing the rounds on social media a while ago.

But it does show how easy it is to spend/waste money here.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 15:34
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Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS View Post
Perhaps I should have added.

Not my bill. It was doing the rounds on social media a while ago.

But it does show how easy it is to spend/waste money here.
Easy to waste money anywhere in the world on these items.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 15:51
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Easy to waste money anywhere in the world on these items.

Agreed. Unfortunately, the expensive prices apply to most everyday items too.

It's not a competition and we do see high prices around the world but Dubai does seem to kick it to the next level in my opinion - on all goods, luxury to basic needs. There is no escape from the high cost of living here unless you are prepared to live frugally - which defeats one of the purposes of becoming an expat for most people.

Potential new joiners really need to factor these costs in and not simply convert Dubai salary to their current currency and think they will become rich quickly.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 16:28
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Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS View Post


Agreed. Unfortunately, the expensive prices apply to most everyday items too.

It's not a competition and we do see high prices around the world but Dubai does seem to kick it to the next level in my opinion - on all goods, luxury to basic needs. There is no escape from the high cost of living here unless you are prepared to live frugally - which defeats one of the purposes of becoming an expat for most people.

Potential new joiners really need to factor these costs in and not simply convert Dubai salary to their current currency and think they will become rich quickly.
Agreed. Costs should be factored in. Iím just not sure your original argument was apt.




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