EK resignations on the up again...
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This last ULR we were 4 crew, plus 4 crew already there, we had a chat with. This is the final count out of 8 people:
One captain quitting altogether before 60.
Another captain going home to do local flying, resigns this week.
One FO about to upgrade, going to Europe instead.
Another FO did not pass the upgrade and is finding his way out.
So about 50% bye bye ratio in this particular trip.
Coincidence?
This may get interesting in the coming months.
One captain quitting altogether before 60.
Another captain going home to do local flying, resigns this week.
One FO about to upgrade, going to Europe instead.
Another FO did not pass the upgrade and is finding his way out.
So about 50% bye bye ratio in this particular trip.
Coincidence?
This may get interesting in the coming months.
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At this point Rwanda Air is probably better than EK. No other employer is this vindictive to its pilots for the amount of money we have at the end of the month.
Without knowing definitely I would lay money on the line that Turkish doesn’t have the resignation rate that Emirates has. That says something but it’s probably more of a reflection on us.
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[QUOTE=RK Blue sky;10269299]
what are are those options ?
How far is your head in the sand? Are you really that blind?
The US is hiring like crazy and if you don’t have a US Passport get a Green Card immediately. The State Dept are handing them out like candy. The last thing the government wants is parked airplanes.
China is paying $27,000 a month and needs twice as many pilots as the US does.
Korean Ethiopian and Turkey are still expanding but get to the US now. You’ll be a captain in under 3 yrs and be making close to $300,000 with all the extras. It goes without saying you’ll work far less than you will in the sand.
Are you really unaware of your options Flyboy? I hope you’re aware of your options when you are crossing the Atlantic and I hope you are not in denial about how good things are here. Look at your options and get out.
“The State Dept are banding them out like candy....”
Now that’s funny
what are are those options ?
How far is your head in the sand? Are you really that blind?
The US is hiring like crazy and if you don’t have a US Passport get a Green Card immediately. The State Dept are handing them out like candy. The last thing the government wants is parked airplanes.
China is paying $27,000 a month and needs twice as many pilots as the US does.
Korean Ethiopian and Turkey are still expanding but get to the US now. You’ll be a captain in under 3 yrs and be making close to $300,000 with all the extras. It goes without saying you’ll work far less than you will in the sand.
Are you really unaware of your options Flyboy? I hope you’re aware of your options when you are crossing the Atlantic and I hope you are not in denial about how good things are here. Look at your options and get out.
Now that’s funny
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RK: A Captain in under 3 years AND 300k. I was unaware that the US Legacy Carriers were offering <3yrs command on a wide body to new hires (an MD Captain does not make 300k). Then again so were my friends who are F/O now at Delta and United. I doubt any Regional in the US pays any pilot anywhere near that amount. As for Green Cards handed out like candy-can you please share what you are on as I am sure everyone could do with being happier. Turkish: now you are really living in LaLa Land considering the currency and political situation. KAL: ask the guys coming back to EK from there and look at current KAL Rosters. Please note: I am not saying that things could not be improved here especially relating to work/life balance, however your arguement has more holes than Dr Reasons Cheese. 
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As I said earlier Turkish is less than ideal but certainly better than EK. How much currency have we lost in Dubai with the VAT and runaway inflation? Probably less than Turkish but a whole lot more than we lost than last year.
I am on the 777 but actively trying to get on with Delta. I’m probably the last American standing who doesn’t want to stay.
Delta has 9 month captains and the bottom pay that I can make out is around $250 an hour. With a 80 hour month that’s $240,000 a year plus the profit share, 401k contribution. The last 3 years FOs have received about $150,000 in profit share. I kjow we get that here too but we do it for many many more hours through all hours of the night and day to 6 continents. Even widebody FOs are north of $250,000 a year for 80 hrs a month.
As I said the US government does not want any parked airplanes or stunted growth so Green Cards are being passed out Willy Nilly. Apply if you’re interested. It can’t hurt.
How many KAL pilots have come here? I haven’t heard of any but you probably know more people. I know some pilots have left KAL to go to other places but not here. Who chooses EK?
If you weren’t stuck here and could leave would you leave?
I am on the 777 but actively trying to get on with Delta. I’m probably the last American standing who doesn’t want to stay.
Delta has 9 month captains and the bottom pay that I can make out is around $250 an hour. With a 80 hour month that’s $240,000 a year plus the profit share, 401k contribution. The last 3 years FOs have received about $150,000 in profit share. I kjow we get that here too but we do it for many many more hours through all hours of the night and day to 6 continents. Even widebody FOs are north of $250,000 a year for 80 hrs a month.
As I said the US government does not want any parked airplanes or stunted growth so Green Cards are being passed out Willy Nilly. Apply if you’re interested. It can’t hurt.
How many KAL pilots have come here? I haven’t heard of any but you probably know more people. I know some pilots have left KAL to go to other places but not here. Who chooses EK?
If you weren’t stuck here and could leave would you leave?
[QUOTE=RK Blue sky;10271261]As I said the US government does not want any parked airplanes or stunted growth so Green Cards are being passed out Willy Nilly.[QUOTE]
RK,
Since this conversation is about pilots, I assume you're referring to green cards being issued by a concerned government to non-US pilots who come here because the US is short of pilots at the legacy level ?
Would you happen to have any documented sources for that ?
I think it's safe to say that the LAST thing the likes of DL, AA, UA, SW, FedEx or UPS have to worry about is parked airplanes or stunted growth due to lack of pilots. But I can always be wrong which is why specific documentation interests me.
If the Imperial Federal Government is passing out green cards as you describe, I'd love to see the documentation related to pilots. They may be granting legal entry to foreign nationals in a number of fields lacking sufficient US citizens but I don't get the impression legacy-eligible pilots are in that category in large, if any, numbers.
US carrier have always hired green card holders.
RK,
Since this conversation is about pilots, I assume you're referring to green cards being issued by a concerned government to non-US pilots who come here because the US is short of pilots at the legacy level ?
Would you happen to have any documented sources for that ?
I think it's safe to say that the LAST thing the likes of DL, AA, UA, SW, FedEx or UPS have to worry about is parked airplanes or stunted growth due to lack of pilots. But I can always be wrong which is why specific documentation interests me.
If the Imperial Federal Government is passing out green cards as you describe, I'd love to see the documentation related to pilots. They may be granting legal entry to foreign nationals in a number of fields lacking sufficient US citizens but I don't get the impression legacy-eligible pilots are in that category in large, if any, numbers.
US carrier have always hired green card holders.
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[QUOTE=RK Blue sky;10269299]
what are are those options ?
How far is your head in the sand? Are you really that blind?
The US is hiring like crazy and if you don’t have a US Passport get a Green Card immediately. The State Dept are handing them out like candy. The last thing the government wants is parked airplanes.
China is paying $27,000 a month and needs twice as many pilots as the US does.
Korean Ethiopian and Turkey are still expanding but get to the US now. You’ll be a captain in under 3 yrs and be making close to $300,000 with all the extras. It goes without saying you’ll work far less than you will in the sand.
Are you really unaware of your options Flyboy? I hope you’re aware of your options when you are crossing the Atlantic and I hope you are not in denial about how good things are here. Look at your options and get out.
That was a straight forward question RK. I very well know what my options are.
I agree partially with US and china. Who is handing over green cards like crazy ?? Walmart? I would buy one right away. Name an airline that even sponsors a visa.
Korean, No upgrade crappy work culture. Turkish, peanut salary with uncertainty in the region. And Ethiopian....don't ask me about it.
There are some sort of issues everywhere.
Are you even an Airline pilot or one of those office guys who compare long haul flying to chair warming jobs ?
what are are those options ?
How far is your head in the sand? Are you really that blind?
The US is hiring like crazy and if you don’t have a US Passport get a Green Card immediately. The State Dept are handing them out like candy. The last thing the government wants is parked airplanes.
China is paying $27,000 a month and needs twice as many pilots as the US does.
Korean Ethiopian and Turkey are still expanding but get to the US now. You’ll be a captain in under 3 yrs and be making close to $300,000 with all the extras. It goes without saying you’ll work far less than you will in the sand.
Are you really unaware of your options Flyboy? I hope you’re aware of your options when you are crossing the Atlantic and I hope you are not in denial about how good things are here. Look at your options and get out.
That was a straight forward question RK. I very well know what my options are.
I agree partially with US and china. Who is handing over green cards like crazy ?? Walmart? I would buy one right away. Name an airline that even sponsors a visa.
Korean, No upgrade crappy work culture. Turkish, peanut salary with uncertainty in the region. And Ethiopian....don't ask me about it.
There are some sort of issues everywhere.
Are you even an Airline pilot or one of those office guys who compare long haul flying to chair warming jobs ?
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Flyboy there is a fairly comprehensive list of the US airlines that are hiring foreigners on visas in this thread;
There is no Visa for foreigners but for Australians only. Until the guy with the Orange wig believes that there needs to be a wall between the US and Australia too or wishes to piss them off for any other personal reason
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Their pay is too high?
They don’t work hard enough?
Oh wait, that’s two problems. Yeah that’s one problem too many so I’m staying where I know I’m abused. Where I am forced to work almost 100 hrs a month, day or night, where my internet is blocked, where my money is rapidly diminishing. EK is the place for me.
They don’t work hard enough?
Oh wait, that’s two problems. Yeah that’s one problem too many so I’m staying where I know I’m abused. Where I am forced to work almost 100 hrs a month, day or night, where my internet is blocked, where my money is rapidly diminishing. EK is the place for me.
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Their pay is too high?
They don’t work hard enough?
Oh wait, that’s two problems. Yeah that’s one problem too many so I’m staying where I know I’m abused. Where I am forced to work almost 100 hrs a month, day or night, where my internet is blocked, where my money is rapidly diminishing. EK is the place for me.
Hopefully, the Delta interview process will pick up on your egotistical, boastful, know-it-all, and negative mindsets and fix the problem before you go there and find a bunch of new things to complain about.....Grass is always greener, right.
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Well, I reckon the grass is a whole lot greener in the US, and pretty much everywhere else, than the UAE. And hell, it doesn't need watering 6 times a day with human faeces fertiliser to keep it that way either.
But you know, keep telling yourself life is good in the Middle East. Each to their own.
But you know, keep telling yourself life is good in the Middle East. Each to their own.
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Well, I reckon the grass is a whole lot greener in the US, and pretty much everywhere else, than the UAE. And hell, it doesn't need watering 6 times a day with human faeces fertiliser to keep it that way either.
But you know, keep telling yourself life is good in the Middle East. Each to their own.
But you know, keep telling yourself life is good in the Middle East. Each to their own.
You have never seen me respond to any other negative posters....mostly because I agree with them.
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Their pay is too high?
They don’t work hard enough?
Oh wait, that’s two problems. Yeah that’s one problem too many so I’m staying where I know I’m abused. Where I am forced to work almost 100 hrs a month, day or night, where my internet is blocked, where my money is rapidly diminishing. EK is the place for me.
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It really is a shame that the operators in the region treat their front line workers like garbage. And then when you quit to go to a better company, they can’t understand why and cry foul.
After they've stolen from you for years, lied to your face on every occasion, mistreated you, encouraged you to break the law to save a buck, etc... somehow they are the victim.
After they've stolen from you for years, lied to your face on every occasion, mistreated you, encouraged you to break the law to save a buck, etc... somehow they are the victim.
