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Emirates 3 crew long haul destinations this Summer

Old 22nd May 2018, 17:55
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Originally Posted by bigdaviet View Post
LCC is hard work in the summer. But you also have to remember that in winter you hardly fly. So basically every year you're getting 4-5 months to recharge your batteries. There is no comparison between LCC and the kind of tiredness you experience in some 'long haul' airlines these days.
Ok so let me ask you, why isn’t every single European EK pilot applying for a DEC slot at one of the many LCCs which are all hiring right now?
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Old 22nd May 2018, 18:02
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Because it will be a serious paycut and a huge change of lifestyle most probably… BUT some of them have done it already
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Old 22nd May 2018, 18:25
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Originally Posted by Xulu View Post
Let’s talk about the salary after tax?
Let's talk about health before wealth?
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Old 22nd May 2018, 18:25
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We are all individuals with unique circumstances, with them sometimes significantly contrasting between other colleagues . What may be utopia for one person could be a nightmare for another.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 19:03
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Originally Posted by dubaigong View Post
Because it will be a serious paycut and a huge change of lifestyle most probably… BUT some of them have done it already
There you go.

Translation = NO WAY I want to work 12 hrs days 5 days in a row for half the money bringing a lunch box from home and pay my own rent/mortgage/schooling.
And I can only agree with this.

We’re saying the same thing.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 19:27
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NO , we Don't say the same because money and lifestyle is not a must for everybody , that's why some have decided to leave EK to go back to Europe flying for a low cost or even to drive a train…
I think they are right because your health and family life is , for me , a lot more important than money and the Dubai shiny mirage...
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Old 22nd May 2018, 19:32
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Originally Posted by dubaigong View Post
NO , we Don't say the same because money and lifestyle is not a must for everybody , that's why some have decided to leave EK to go back to Europe flying for a low cost or even to drive a train…
I think they are right because your health and family life is , for me , a lot more important than money and the Dubai shiny mirage...
I know some have done it, just asking how many..10%? 5%?
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Old 22nd May 2018, 20:38
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If you are sick, or unfit to fly, pressing 2 is what should happen.

Every flight under these BS rules, no matter how one feels should involve and ASR, at Fatigue report, and a Safety report to the authority in the destination country. E V E R Y flight. Period.
I am already working on pre-written reports that I can change a few details of each time I need to use them.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 06:18
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Sorry but I have to ask, which plenty of airlines offer that?
two sectors only, days off, winter almost on leave....

I am really very interested

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Old 23rd May 2018, 07:12
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I really don't mean any disrespect but some of the guys here really are out of touch with reality.
Like I said, the VAST minority of EK pilots leave to go to a European LCC, and this is a fact no matter how tired you might be. Having said that, be my guest. Unless you are close to retirement mlst people would regret it (I have seen it many times).
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Old 23rd May 2018, 08:22
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Originally Posted by KippaLippa View Post
Sorry but I have to ask, which plenty of airlines offer that?
two sectors only, days off, winter almost on leave....

I am really very interested

KL
Jet 2 has been mentioned in other posts.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 09:08
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For me it was/is a choice of stay at EK and retire in my late 50s or go back to Europe and work until I'm at least 65. It wasn't an easy choice but I decided to stay put in the land of sand. That decision was the right one for me but everybody is different.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 09:08
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Originally Posted by GKOC41 View Post
Jet 2 has been mentioned in other posts.
You can go there if you’re desperate and still be better off or one can go to a Major and enjoy a pay bump and very decent Work Rules. A new hire will start at the bottom of the list but who cares with the lifestyle improvements you will receive you’ll be far better off for you and your family.
Emirates is just not good anymore for both money and lifestyle. Why stay when it’s so much better elsewhere?
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Old 23rd May 2018, 19:25
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Not crewing planes

EK is trying 'im-not-shure-what' to try and crew the airplanes, but is definitely not trying to match the market. And it has not worked.
And the new 3 man crew rules, duty free rules, decrasing purchasing power, and all the other late stuff is not going to help recruitment nor retention.
And then there is all the legacy stuff we are already famous for: Pressure, training, punitive culture...

We are damn short.
I don't think anybody sees a way out of maxing Crews and calling Crews on days off, for the foreseeable future.

I am overall OK here, but starting to look for a good option out, WHEN TWO WEEKS AGO I WAS NOT EVEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MARKET.
I am not in the 'had enough' list, but this is not a long term option for many of us anymore. Not least because we DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT LUDICROUS POLICY WILL BE.

3 Crew ULR may have just TRIGGERED THE ALARM IN MANY OF US WHO WHERE QUITE SETTLED HERE. In my opinion, this policy may easily backfire badly.

Safe flights.
And don't forget to bid 😅
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Old 23rd May 2018, 20:09
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Originally Posted by desert witch View Post


I am not in the 'had enough' list, but this is not a long term option for many of us anymore. Not least because we DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT LUDICROUS POLICY WILL BE.

3 Crew ULR may have just TRIGGERED THE ALARM IN MANY OF US WHO WHERE QUITE SETTLED HERE. In my opinion, this policy may easily backfire badly.

😅

How could anyone be settled here with all that we know about the company and all that we have experienced in the last few years? No one and I do mean No One thinks it is going to get better here, only worse.
Each passing day the company finds some other bright idea to screw us not even imagined or contemplated. Each passing day inflation in Dubai gets worse and worse and few think that is going to ease. Each passing day we get closer to the grave and we as EK pilots approach that final resting place much more rapidly than our contemporaries. Each passing day we grow a little more distant from our families and loved ones because we are just so Damm tired and fatigued.
So pilots are settled here? WTF, Over? What is the thought process or is there one?
There is a pilot shortage but only the airlines that no one wants to work for are experiencing that shortage. We should be in the driver’s seat but instead we’re taking it in the rear end.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 23:55
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Originally Posted by in freedom View Post
I am sure they will introduce a special checklist for day light landings eventually.
Haha, that made my day. So ironic because so true of EK management policy.
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Old 24th May 2018, 00:21
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
I really don't mean any disrespect but some of the guys here really are out of touch with reality.
Like I said, the VAST minority of EK pilots leave to go to a European LCC, and this is a fact no matter how tired you might be. Having said that, be my guest. Unless you are close to retirement mlst people would regret it (I have seen it many times).
So where have you gone bringbackthe80s - Hainan, Hong Kong Airlines, KA, CX, Singapore Airlines, Air Japan, Norwegian, Air Pacific, Oman Air, Silkair....... did you get your DEC gig that you've been so desperately trying to find on PPRuNe, and so desperate to get ANYWHERE but where you are?!! It seems you are the one not in touch with reality. Don't come on here and tell EK guys how it is at EK, because you have zero experience in the region, and zero experience with EK. Apply!! Go to EK, be another sucked in by the 'it's great here, it's just a few disgruntled employees' line that EK recruiting and management throw around. Then in a couple of years post on here about how miserable you are and allow everyone to tell you how all you needed to know was right here on PPRuNe but you failed to heed the advice. Because you knew better.

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Old 24th May 2018, 02:47
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Originally Posted by notapilot15 View Post
Are hotel rooms really quiet to get a good night sleep? I somehow feel there is always something going on like construction or noisy guests or kids.
No, they’re not. I know that at least one of the hotels that EK uses has been dumped as unsuitable for crew by one of the big four U.S. airlines. It’s noisy and dusty. Etc.

Major international airlines in the U.S. don’t fly over 12 hours block flight time with 3 crew for two reasons - either they’ve agreed with their union that it’s not safe (it’s in their Contract), or the airline has decided to do it out of expediency. The latter is a matter of safety, and concerns that with a delay they’ll end up busting the flight and/or duty limits. They’re still making billions - Despite not pushing their crews beyond the limits of safe endurance.

This is a matter of corporate safety culture. Australian, Kiwi and U.S. airlines are able to make money without disregarding well understood Human Performance norms.
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Old 24th May 2018, 02:57
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All EK understands is pushing crew until they drop. And then they whip them because they are lazy.
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Old 24th May 2018, 14:20
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So after today’s weekly ops email, they have now decided to trial only 3 LRVs with 3 crews.
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