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EK 25/3 Pilot forum Agenda .pdf

Old 8th Mar 2018, 06:04
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EK 25/3 Pilot forum Agenda .pdf

It's an EK Union revolt!
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 12:20
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Some good stuff in there. A few, however, that I'm not sure about.

Why would you need 2 hours before departure? I don't know any airline that operates with a FDP as restrictive as that. Took us long enough to get the current report time!

Avoiding certain pilots? Chances are you'll only ever fly together once anyway.

A day's credit for RTGS study? This phase had only the tech exam. However, we should certainly get full credit for the sim. Leave credit should be brought back too to avoid over working on leave months.

Off 3 days over Christmas for Christians? Organising such a policy would be nigh on impossible and again, don't know many airlines that apply it. If non Christians didn't volunteer, would they be forced to work? Can't see that going down well with the locals. They celebrate it as much as we do...minus the booze of course. Well, allegedly! Datums would also need changing and most of the simulators would remain unused. Ain't going to happen. Considering December 25th is the most requested day off in the year, the fact that the Company chooses not to recognise it as such is disappointing.

Either way, a lot to look at, especially pay and hours.

Harry
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 12:22
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Good one! April Fool's day already?
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 12:29
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I agree with Harry, keep it simple. In a past life I had a bit to do with union negotiations and a list of demands that long won't go down well. I say go for package improvement which in turn will (hopefully) attract more pilots and hence improve the rosters. The rest is all pie in the sky.
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 12:32
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Thanks to the PDF creators!! Hope some stuff catches on.

Not to disillusion you though...
But this Forum is for THEM to get the pilots numbers back on track with the MINIMUM salary rise. They must raise some this time anyway.
When the world goes into the next slump, most perks will be dumped again.

Some of the stuff in the PDF is spot on, some other is neverland's stuff (this is only Dubailand...).

Whoever goes, please push for the realistic stuff, things that do not cost them much and may actually stick if gradually implemented.
Like the 50% roster option for senior guys.
Or a guy to stream feedback on an FCI or other technical without an ASR or CSR. After all, who of us wrote back saying: Your new G/S from above is to rofl, specially in these destinations...

Good luck to those going. Don't get carried away... 😅
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 13:04
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I do agree we should speak as a one body focus only on most relevant stuff. Keep it short and simple.
Things which will stop ppl leaving and attract new joiners - salary increase , rosters and lifting upgrade age restriction for FOs.
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 14:56
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Pay us More, Work us Less!!

The rest will sort itself out..
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 17:31
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Some very good stuff there! But how about for the education allowance to also cover the nursery years as well. For FOs with toddlers in nursery it becomes quite an expenses, especially with everything else being so expensive here.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 05:13
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Minor point but ....
Children are allowed in the flight deck on the ground . The restriction is in 8.3 and the security chapter says refer to 8.3 . That means ( movement )
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 05:29
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1) Fewer hours
2) Salary increase (+20% salary to keep us where we were 2 years ago)
3) more monthly days off
4) hours credit for leave (approx 5 per day of leave) and sim
5) less punitive culture.

Strangely that will make the airline more attractive and recruitment will improve.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 07:45
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Originally Posted by thatwasclose View Post
Minor point but ....
Children are allowed in the flight deck on the ground . The restriction is in 8.3 and the security chapter says refer to 8.3 . That means ( movement )
No they’re not(OM-E 10.5.4.1)
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 08:59
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Sadly, anything that increases cost will likely be a non starter. The city and the airline are broke. The pharaohs will continue the slave like conditions.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 09:06
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reading some of these posts and also the ones on the facebook group... sorry to wake you guys up, but you really think anything will change here....you really think they will do something.... better wake up.... go ahead and waste your day off.l.l
it’s a race to the bottom, and as long there is no management shake up -big style- nothing will change...
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 09:51
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If you don’t like it just leave!!
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 11:13
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Originally Posted by Oldaircrew View Post
No they’re not(OM-E 10.5.4.1)
Still think they are . It’s the same line as in chapter 10 of oma which says refer to 8.3 which is flight . Oma supersedes om e ?
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 11:27
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After reading that document I can only feel embarrassment.

Total disconnection with reality and lack of professionalism.

Sorry to say but we are our worst enemies.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 11:41
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Originally Posted by KindolFaret View Post
After reading that document I can only feel embarrassment.

Total disconnection with reality and lack of professionalism.

Sorry to say but we are our worst enemies.
Can't agree more.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 11:52
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Nice try.

As i foresee it, some Submuppet will show up pretending to substitute the Megamuppet. He will welcome everybody, thank for the many inputs, not the letter which has to be disregarded because the law does not allow unionised opinions.
He will gladly respond to the multiple questions, however excluded were all subjects regarding rosters, leave, financial stuff and housing/education fees.

So, Gentlemen, the first question please ......
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 11:57
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Its Shooting for the stars.. Granted, but its NOT beyond the Type of Working Conditions that many Pilots have in many airlines around the world.

Its worth a Try...

Otherwise the only answer is too leave.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 12:08
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Rostering = Lifestyle = Happy well rested productive pilots = Pilots staying for the long term. Just my 2 cents (minus 5% of course....)
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