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What EK incidents resuted in firing

Old 31st Dec 2017, 18:04
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No Gearlever, all western expats up front. To be fair to them, the local guys haven't been involved in any of the 8 or so incidents as far as I know. The last incident that involved one of them was when 521 went belly up.
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Old 31st Dec 2017, 18:14
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Thx kipper. Proportions locals/ expats may have changed after I have left (2013).
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 07:45
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Originally Posted by kipper the dog View Post
No Gearlever, all western expats up front. To be fair to them, the local guys haven't been involved in any of the 8 or so incidents as far as I know. The last incident that involved one of them was when 521 went belly up.
Near stall out of Cochin?
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 09:30
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Originally Posted by kipper the dog View Post
No Gearlever, all western expats up front. To be fair to them, the local guys haven't been involved in any of the 8 or so incidents as far as I know. The last incident that involved one of them was when 521 went belly up.


Near stall out of Cochin?
No no habibi, it was a fault with the MCP, the heading bug was broken
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 11:32
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BANANASBANANAS,

The expat community havenít exactly made it hard for it to look that way
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 12:20
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Originally Posted by sluggums View Post
No one gets fired, they, ahem... 'leave'.

Any by the way, the company cannot touch your provident fund that you've contractually earned. It's not theirs to take. Regardless of why you're leaving/dismissed. They play on people's ignorance of the rules.
Itís clear , you have NO idea what you are talking about.
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 13:07
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Originally Posted by 777-200LR View Post
BANANASBANANAS,

The expat community havenít exactly made it hard for it to look that way
It might be the new year hangover but I am not understanding your point. Can you explain please. Not being difficult just don't understand.
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 14:44
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Read your contract guys it says entire provident fund (edit company contribution) is forfeit if dismissed by the company.

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Old 1st Jan 2018, 15:17
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It's cute that anyone still thinks a contract is worth anything in the UAE. They can do whatever they like and sure you can fight them but you'll lose your money or your job/visa or both
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 15:17
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sealear

Please at least get the facts correct.

The A fund, ie the Company contribution, is the only one of the three that can be rightfully and legally retained by the Company in the event of dismissal. The B & C fund are kept by yourself regardless of how you leave employment.

It is NOT the entire fund.

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Old 1st Jan 2018, 15:18
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I should specify, the contract from them to you is fluid.

Anything from you to them they will chase down and make you comply.
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 15:27
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I also find it rather cute when people talk complete bollocks on these forums and are obviously clueless to the facts. The Provident fund is not 'contracted' in the UAE. It's an approved and regulated financial scheme based in the Isle of Man and run by Trustees completely independent of Emirates. The money that I contribute to the B & C fund has nothing to do with my employer and is not legally theirs to take. Period.

Harry
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 16:48
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Sadly 207 looks like we are going to lose some colleagues, thatís despite AIRLIVE reporting a year where no major passenger jets were lost due to accidents.

J

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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 09:02
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In the UAE your airline can and will do exactly as they want to do. They can refuse to pay you money earned and you won't see a blue penny. Your only recourse is an expensive and extracted lawsuit back home. Watch this space. I'll let you know how mine ends.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 09:17
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You're right Harry, I did mean the company contribution not your own contributions obviously. Written somewhere around the globe at some hour after some long flight 🙂
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 09:36
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Originally Posted by jack schidt View Post
Sadly 207 looks like we are going to lose some colleagues, thatís despite AIRLIVE reporting a year where no major passenger jets were lost due to accidents.

J
Not sure about that - apparently one of them is working tomorrow. (So Iím told by a 380 mate of mine, Iíve not confirmed that with my own eyes)
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 10:05
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They’re all still rostered last time I checked, as well as a few others, who people have claimed have been fired.......would have to agree with cloud bunny
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 10:47
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it’s normal to be rostered as long as the appeal is on going.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 12:59
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Harry re read I said nothing about provident funds I mentioned contracts. In general.

They can and will find ways around whatever they want to get around (including their own ERM, SOPs or anything else). Including paying you monies due when you leave, refunding medical expenses or a dozen other things. But they will squeeze you for every ruddy dirham on the way out.

Unlike some here I did actually work for EK.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 13:09
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Originally Posted by harry the cod View Post
sealear

Please at least get the facts correct.

The A fund, ie the Company contribution, is the only one of the three that can be rightfully and legally retained by the Company in the event of dismissal. The B & C fund are kept by yourself regardless of how you leave employment.

It is NOT the entire fund.

Harry
According to Nick Foxton.. if he is to be believed.. and also Peter Shaw at Mondial, the Provident fund is under the trustees overseas and is in our names. The only way the company can take our A fund, is if EK can prove to the trustees that you did something really bad- such as purposely damage an airplane, assault someone etc- ie a real crime. Dismissal is not grounds for them to keep the A fund. Apparently if they did try this it could be appealed overseas and they would have a hard time proving why they could take this money from us.. as it actually is in our names. So.. does anyone actually KNOW someone who was fired and had their A fund revoked?
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