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Old 14th Jan 2018, 09:38
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Originally Posted by alwayzinit View Post
Well let's all hope that EK's 380 fleet do not start a route to Funchal then!
Ahahhahah!!!!
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 09:44
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alwayzinit, that is what I thought reading this thread quietly in the last weeks. There are many places that require operation of the aircraft manually, with no programmed aid. CFU, SMI, HER 09, TVI, BVC are just some that jump to my mind.
Interestingly I have witnessed the same phenomenon at a Canadian operator, that urged their crews to fly everything in LNAV VNAV. The outcome was as expected, if the system had a problem, or just plain finger trouble, some crews were not able to revert to basic modes/flying.
I think the root cause is wrong direction in company culture, that was established with the aim to mitigate the perceptually slightly higher risk during visual and/or R/D approaches. Now that culture is backfiring. I understand that flying a visual or raw data app. after a 14 h flight is not what you are all looking forward to, but there are many opportunities within most ME route structures that enable the same.
But after all it is a company culture problem that needs to be addressed, there are enugh
researches around to proof that training basic skills frequently are a must. And I am not taking about the SIM, but the nice,quiet, sunny afternoon into any place.

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Old 15th Jan 2018, 14:13
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Back in the day ( sorry folks, old fogey alert) we used to operate long haul 747s into the old Kai Tak and normally managed to turn the aircraft and land on the concrete while circumventing Mrs Wong’s washing line. While we were obviously all aces it really wasn’t that difficult. Just saying.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 14:35
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Originally Posted by alwayzinit View Post
Well let's all hope that EK's 380 fleet do not start a route to Funchal then!
In my days flying to Funchal, I always said the place should be evacuated, and then let the US Navy use it as target practice for their SSBN Sub fleet!
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 15:14
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Glofish; Re: "But once again: "outside reference" .... please!!"

Hey Glofish, I see you like bold text. It's a definition from a couple of small aviation organizations you might have heard of. They're called 'EASA' & 'FAA'. GCAA same thing; https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Visual_References

You might find yourself dealing with them, if you're perhaps unaware...

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Old 15th Jan 2018, 18:47
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Imagine ek flying into kai tak airport... Click on the link and laugh...
Those are old 747’s with old fashioned instruments and pilots with skills..... Now we have the 380’s that prefers to fly by themselves !!

[/U]https://unforbiddingcity.com/2013/03...port-approach/
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Jack330 View Post
Imagine ek flying into kai tak airport... Click on the link and laugh...
Those are old 747’s with old fashioned instruments and pilots with skills..... Now we have the 380’s that prefers to fly by themselves !!

[/U]https://unforbiddingcity.com/2013/03...port-approach/
EK DID fly regularly into Kai Tak when it was still open. And no incidents (as far as I know). Of course it was a VERY different airline then.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 21:13
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To connect the Kai Tak observation with the "very different airline back then":

I joined EK with 216 hours on anything bigger than a King Air.
I upgraded less than four years later.
My first experience of the Kai Tak checkerboard was my second flight after upgrade.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 02:53
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It would never happen now. There would be a FCOM supplementary procedure 10 pages long detailing how to plan and brief the approach, which modes to use, plus a special cref briefing attached to the Gabi, plus a few FCI's yadda yadda yadda.......
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 03:20
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yadda, yadda, yadda .... and with even more outside reference, like Mrs. Wong's washing line and Mr. Hop Sin's wok, to be compared with EK special ops inside reference, imagine a 10 page CCI how to extensively brief, rebrief and use 3 sloppy, home made EK charts simultaneously. Naturally all GCAA, EASE, FAA approved and #meetoo conform .......

Let's just be pilots again
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 15:44
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Problem solved! Ek207 cancelled indefinitely from 25MAR18.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...rom-june-2018/

Emirates adds Dubai – Newark nonstop service from June 2018
Posted 25 January 2018 08:50

Emirates starting June 2018 is launching new Dubai – Newark nonstop service, in addition to existing 1 daily flight via Athens. From 01JUN18, 3-class 777-300ER will operate this nonstop flight as EK223/224.

EK223 DXB0300 – 0900EWR 77W D
EK224 EWR1150 – 0820+1DXB 77W D

With this new nonstop route launch, the airline’s Dubai – New York JFK A380 service, EK207/208, will be cancelled indefinitely from 25MAR18. Overall Dubai – New York JFK nonstop service will be 2 daily, and 1 daily via Milan.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 06:56
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Newark hotel is worst on the 777 network. Crap aircon that is erratic, and truely terrible food.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 09:36
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But hey, it’s cheeeeaaaaap! And that’s all that counts nowadays, right? Who cares about the employees???
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 18:06
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I’ll take the EWR hotel if they give us a 10% raise and 4 weeks profit share.
We all know how that dynamic will play out. If you don’t like it you can leave.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 22:58
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Originally Posted by motley flight crue View Post
Newark hotel is worst on the 777 network. Crap aircon that is erratic, and truely terrible food.
Is it still the "H" ?
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 18:58
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So it looks like a reduction in capacity to a city that has always been regarded as one of our more lucrative destinations. I am struggling to see how this is positive news and that is with my rose tinted specs on!
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 19:20
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Lack of beluga crews. From March or April a few patterns operated by the Beluga will be operated for six to twelve weeks by the tractor. When one pattern returns another will be rotated out. Could be up to three at a time. This is even after all the trans Tasmin flying stops and saves crews. The 207 is rumoured to make a return once crew numbers are fixed. With recruiting going so well it shouldn't take too long to fix right? Maybe some lucky tractor drivers given a move to the flagship as well. Should go really smoothly.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 13:05
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Not only the Beluga that are short of crew, Tractor is too.Look at the ones that were/are parked in DWC.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 13:47
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M
aybe some lucky tractor drivers given a move to the flagship as well
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 15:50
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Regarding the EWR hotel locale.
There is an excellent diner called The Colonial, about 6 bucks in an Uber, free coffee all day and free wifi.
Nice folk too.
Its not much but its better than the hotel!
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