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EK Narrow Body Fleet?

Old 14th Feb 2017, 00:58
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EK Narrow Body Fleet?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/13/news/companies/emirates-small-airplane-study-clark-quest-interview/

The airline known for its superjumbo jets is thinking smaller again.

Emirates Airline President Tim Clark said he is looking at buying smaller single-aisle jets, better known for tighter cabins and fewer amenities, rather than its opulent airliners with showers and walkup bars.
Clark, longtime president of the world's largest international airline, told CNN's Richard Quest there are three different studies on his desk today. Over the next 18 months the airline will decide between adding the smaller aircraft like the Boeing 737 or Airbus A320, combining that with a deal for smaller twin-aisle jets, or continuing to only buy twin-aisle aircraft.

Buying a new fleet of small single-aisle jets would be a radical departure for the Dubai-based airline. Emirates today relies solely on double-deck Airbus A380 superjumbo jets and Boeing 777s that seat from 266 all the way up to 615 passengers. It is the largest operator in the world for both.
It's been more than 20 years since the airline last flew a single-aisle jet in its fleet and Emirates' strategy shift may set up a cut-throat competition between Boeing and Airbus, the two biggest airplane makers.
Emirates uses its advantageous geography on the north side of the Arabian peninsula to reach billions of people within an eight hour flight. Its strategy is designed to connect two distant points on the planet using a single stop in Dubai, but its massive jets aren't right for every route.
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Emirates Airline President Tim Clark.
The airline in the coming years is plotting a move to a sprawling new airport, Dubai World Central, from its home at Dubai Internationa. Clark said the greater number of runways and gates means it could serve smaller cities.
Related: Dubai airport widens gap over London's Heathrow Airport
But before a decision is made, Emirates must first weather a brewing storm in the global economy and declining per passenger profit. Falling oil prices have been a boon for travelers seeking lower fares, but "we are notorious in our business of racing to the bottom whenever there is some advantage given to us and this is no exception," he said.
"The last three of four years as the oil prices come off, we have reduced our fares to point of...stupidity in my view. That has affected our bottom line," said Clark. "We have a difficult time in global economics. We have a difficult time in global geopolitics and there is a degree of volatility out there."
Emirates already has tens of billions of dollars of aircraft on order with both the Boeing in the U.S. and Airbus in Europe, but it has slowed down its plans for buying more. The three options on Clark's desk again delays a decision on whether or not to buy Boeing 787s or Airbus A350s. Emirates canceled an order for 70 A350s in 2014 and recently deferred a batch of superjumbo A380s to 2018 and 2019.
Related: Airbus isn't giving up on its A380 superjumbo
"When the time is right we will decide," said Clark. "But so far, we are just biding our time to see which way it all pans out."
At at a time when Middle East carriers are looking to curry favor with the Trump administration to ensure they continue to be allowed access to U.S. airports, Emirates' decision on big airplane purchases from the U.S. or Europe could have a political tinge.
Related: Trump faces delicate balancing act between U.S. and foreign airlines
U.S. carriers, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines and American Airlines, have urged the State Department to review a treaty that allows the airlines of the U.S. and the home countries of fast-growing Emirates, Qatar Airways and Etihad Airways unfettered access to each other's airports. As the trio has expanded in the U.S., that has drawn claims of illegal subsidies for the foreign airlines. It's a claim the state-supported trio denies.
President Trump signaled in a meeting February 9 with airline CEOs that the administration will work to protect U.S. carriers from foreign competition, but has not specified how. Sean Spicer, White House Press Secretary, has also indicated that preserving manufacturing jobs like those at Boeing is a driving force behind the administration's thinking.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 02:59
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Just imagine how many A320/B737 pilots this would attract. They would literally kick down EK's front door!
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 04:01
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We're already kicking down the front door.......to leave
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 05:19
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It won't help recruitment, as the main reason to join EK for many is the guarantee to fly a wide body aircraft, in contrast to both other ME3 outfits.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 05:23
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Shut down flydubai and take whatever you need. Keep it simple.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 07:59
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Originally Posted by safelife View Post
It won't help recruitment, as the main reason to join EK for many is the guarantee to fly a wide body aircraft, in contrast to both other ME3 outfits.
Let the Cadets start there - both local and what is expected to be expats. Word is the new EK aviation college will train ab-initio non local for entry into EK - for a price of course.

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Pay to fly is the only thing our management haven't tried to solve the (self-inflicted) crewing crisis. This would be the perfect chance to introduce that. It would fill up the new training college overnight with the vague promise of a job at the end of it and the even vaguer promise of flying a widebody after that. Plenty of people would fall for that. After all, an airline like Emirates wouldn't tell lies to potential employees would it?

Having said that, it would be a perfect place for the local cadets to start but somehow I don't think they would go for it.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 10:20
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Just imagine how many A320/B737 pilots this would attract. They would literally kick down EK's front door!
They cant even get LCC people through the door now for goodness sake, it's why a load of TP pilots were recruited, many of whom a busily failing courses mostly thanks to our uber efficient training dept.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 11:46
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I was at the training meeting where the 'turbo prop pilot' revelations were made; everyone was on message - "t - p pilots are as good as anyone / multiple sectors in bad weather etc,etc." No argument from me in principle but this rapidly became the pilot version of political correctness and no dissent or rational argument was allowed. I will quickly say to maintain my own pc qualities that I did not disagree or say anything at the time. However, nagging doubts remained on the basis that it is a big ask to go from an ATR to a B777 not that the t - p Chuck Yeagers weren't capable but that the global nature of the operation and potential complexities were a big jump.

I wonder where the flydubai 737 fleet would integrate with EK? Very good for the cadets and new pilots with a sensible 'mid size' aircraft available. I / we always maintained that flydubai should have been set up as EK Express or similar. I will also add that the EK training standards are exponentially north of fz ( I've been in both!).
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 12:37
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Word is the new EK aviation college will train ab-initio non local for entry into EK - for a price of course.
Nice.

AS will be head of uniform accessories procurement, to standardise useless bags and laptops with the future employer, and to enrich some more managers

SP will be responsible for standards, with emphasis on evacuations and engine shut-downs

HM will be the special delegate for female candidates and introduction of best local crm practises for non locals

.....

EK should first try to show adequate training of accomplished pilots they recruit before venturing into a desperate ab-initio quest to fill the emptying ranks


As for TCs latest dribble ........ incredible and a show of desperation ......
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Originally Posted by High Energy View Post
Shut down flydubai and take whatever you need. Keep it simple.
Not a bad idea to get rid of fz981 tainted AOC.
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It will save you on having to pay for the rating to go back home.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 21:08
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Originally Posted by High Energy View Post
Shut down flydubai and take whatever you need. Keep it simple.
3 types of aircraft to get to Bangkok. That gets my vote.
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 02:22
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They've been begging for more access to Canada for years, though quiet lately. A few dozen C-Series should certainly get then daily to YYZ, and perhaps 3 a week to YUL and/or YVR.
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Originally Posted by notapilot15 View Post
Not a bad idea to get rid of fz981 tainted AOC.
glad that EK521 didn't "taint" Emirates AOC
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 12:59
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Originally Posted by FlyEmirates777 View Post
They've been begging for more access to Canada for years, though quiet lately. A few dozen C-Series should certainly get then daily to YYZ, and perhaps 3 a week to YUL and/or YVR.
Not going to happen.

Best chance is if Westjet launches YVR/YYC or other to Dubai.

Apparently it's currently on the table between the two CO's. A daily YVR would be full and would interline with EK unlike AC which codes with AI out of DXB.

Somewhat alluded to in some articles floating around about another WS wide body order beyond the Qantas 767s

Big step for Westjet though
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 14:40
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Big step for Westjet though
Yep. Especially considering their dire performance in and out of LGW by all accounts!
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 14:55
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Yep. Especially considering their dire performance in and out of LGW by all accounts!
Has a lot to do with the LCC mentality of new metal never going bad, rather than 20 year old ex QF 767 frames that need more TLC than a 737 NG.
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 17:01
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Assume most EK Pilots would jump at this gig, planes a plane and no jet lag...
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 18:39
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Use the BBJ-Max7 to get an all J or C service up and running to smaller business destinations...
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