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Old 21st Oct 2016, 17:27
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Emirates pilot refuses alcohol test

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...th-test/#page1
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 17:33
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The OM-A is very blunt about refusing a test; unfortunate for the pilot involved but we all know the rules...
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 18:28
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Yup, the second very senior guy to go this way in a short period.

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Old 21st Oct 2016, 21:47
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Geoffrey Thomas with all the facts.

Emirates, unlike some airlines, encourages its pilots, no matter how junior, to speak up if they are concerned about issues such as the ability of a fellow crew member to perform their duties.

Seriously?

Airline staff are prohibited from drinking eight hours before a shift and pilots cannot have a blood alcohol content over 0.04.

12 and 0.02

The most famous case was in 1990 when all three Northwest Airlines flight crew were intoxicated when they flew a Boeing 727 from Fargo, North Dakota to Minneapolis.

Probably the most memorable flight for all those concerned.

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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 01:32
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Those alcohol limits depend on each country and their laws, or does your om-a state own limits? To my suprise, they seem quite relaxed in Australia (0,04%)
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 02:50
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The other day an SAS Captain was carted away to the police station for blowing 0.01.
You get that from drinking a glass of apple juice or brushing your teeth, yet he got removed from his airplane due to over-eager cops..

SAS captain with blood alcohol content stopped at Gardermoen - Norway Today
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 08:59
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The article states 100 pax were affected but the route is being operated by the 380. Are loads normally that light on a PER?
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 09:13
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Here we go again... thread drift initiated by Odins Ravin. @OR: Start a new thread if you're interested in route loads. The topic of the thread concerns a pilot who refused an alcohol test.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 09:55
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I have been drinking alcohol EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY WHOLE LIFE and I never ever found it addictive yet.......
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 10:05
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Originally Posted by The.Humble.Guy View Post
Here we go again... thread drift initiated by Odins Ravin. @OR: Start a new thread if you're interested in route loads. The topic of the thread concerns a pilot who refused an alcohol test.
No, didn't mean to drift thread - just expected a 777 on that route so wondered if it was someone I'd worked with.

Apologies for troubling you x
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 10:07
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I have been drinking alcohol EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY WHOLE LIFE and I never ever found it addictive yet.......
True but I guess you can say that about most addictions - it's probably the reason for drinking rather than the actual drink.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 10:58
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dry humour is a lost art on the recent generations
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 11:02
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EASA rules: no more alcohol 8 hours before duty, not 12, although that might be an internal company policy. ( as long as you have less than 0.02, you are ok in reality).

They can ask me to undergo a breath test anytime before I enter my aircraft, but out of public view. ALWAYS insist on that.
Once I enter my aircraft, I have command and any unpolite clowns will be thrown off.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 11:40
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He was upset after reading STC's comments on pilots and automation.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 11:57
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Originally Posted by JAYTO View Post
dry humour is a lost art on the recent generations
Ha! How did I miss that?

Well I'm four hours behind that timezone so let's say it was an early post before my morning coffee ;-)
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 14:47
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Remember, it is not the "official" report time when the clock starts, it's when you show up for pickup in uniform. We've had testing when an individual has been tested,, stepping off the elevator at a down route hotel.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 15:59
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so then the official sign on time is when we get picked up...... oh hold on.....

lol


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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 18:40
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TU speaks the truth.

Long time ago an FO was indeed tested in the before pickup time waiting for the bus to depart to the airport at an outstation.

He was over the limit. The outstation personnel had him go to the airport on the bus and retake the test again to which he passed. But since he had been over the limit at pickup time, he was offloaded and ended up deadheading back to Dubai.

At the hearing while talking to EGT, the pilot in question brought the fact that the OM-A stated the timing was 12 hours prior to sign in but the bus time was about 1.5 hours prior to sign in. EGT said, "That's not how we interpret the rules". So it is indeed when you step off the elevator into the lobby wearing your uniform in public view.

At that point, he was terminated.

I know this firsthand as the pilot in question told me the story himself.

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beeing fatique has the same influence as having alcohol in your blood but nobody cares!
Keep on rowing slaves.
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Old 22nd Oct 2016, 20:25
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Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant View Post
TU speaks the truth.

Long time ago an FO was indeed tested in the before pickup time waiting for the bus to depart to the airport at an outstation.

He was over the limit. The outstation personnel had him go to the airport on the bus and retake the test again to which he passed. But since he had been over the limit at pickup time, he was offloaded and ended up deadheading back to Dubai.

At the hearing while talking to EGT, the pilot in question brought the fact that the OM-A stated the timing was 12 hours prior to sign in but the bus time was about 1.5 hours prior to sign in. EGT said, "That's not how we interpret the rules". So it is indeed when you step off the elevator into the lobby wearing your uniform in public view.

At that point, he was terminated.

I know this firsthand as the pilot in question told me the story himself.

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Was that the one in SIN where the Canadian was reported by one K****d Al G****l..? If I remember correctly the story went something along the lines of the guy chatting up a hostie in a bar, a hostie that KAG was wanting to get his slimy hands on. Once KAG found out he was close to limits for drinking he reported him to the company who had the testers waiting at pick-up time...

All second hand tales of course so could be BS - but wouldn't surprise me either if true, having met that individual on several occasions...
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