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Captain 330/340 transfer policy

Old 21st Sep 2016, 08:36
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Yup

That is exactly what will happen.
There is a reason the policy has the 330/340 Captains passing a Captains Review Board in order to return to the left seat. This is because after 3 PPC's and 24 months and 1000 hours, these captains will find the 380 fleet has shrunk by 20-30 aircraft. Since there will not be any 380 left seats available there will be no Captains Review. The 24 months policy will expire and the Captains will be returned to FO pay. And once again the pilot group will remain indifferent because it wasn't them. The famous EK carrot and the stick. Keep em around long enough to commit them. Anyone who thinks with EK who is loosing millions flying around half full 380's will continue operating those A/C at the current level is wrong. The captains are not getting the left seat due to lack of experience, they are not getting the left seat because there will be a reduction in 380's. These 330 captains will not see a left seat again for a long long time, and after 18-24 months will back to FO pay. Yes it is speculation on my part, but honestly could anyone truthfully say they could not see this playing out exactly this way.
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 09:21
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120 feet: totally agree
at present they try to hire Lufthansa 380 TRE's and offering them a huge( 1Mio €) sign on bonus if they stay for more than 4 years.
So far nobody took the offer!

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Old 21st Sep 2016, 09:29
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120feet absolutely spot on... I feel the 380 could be the end of EK if they are not careful.. They need to seriously look at cancelling their orders and maybe ground some planes if they are to move forward..
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 09:59
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Olbie:
the number is not made up.
PM me for the evidence
But numbers are not important here, get the point: They pay TREs to sign up while you get nothing additional. But hope for your payrise-good luck
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 10:19
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Don't know if Talparc's number is right. But the rumour that EK shows a "big fat" carrot to LH TRE's is around for some time....
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 16:03
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120ft Talparc Exdubai olbie Jetkopite
thanks...

Honestly...do you have something more than conspiracy theory ?

What about writing together with us ("dirty dozen times 5") a letter to the 9th floor to express disgust or at least sympathy for you fellow colleaugues?

...what a sadness...
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 16:07
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PM me if you want evidence unfortunately this is no conspiracy theory!
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 16:35
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I tend to agree about the theories about the future of the 380, which will affect what happens to these guys going across to the RHS.

Rumour has it that the majority of the 380 routes are losing hundreds of millions of dirhams a month (overall). If that's the case, clearly CM's first job will be to deal with that.

It gives EK a chance to bail out of future 380 deliveries and save face. They'll negotiate a deal with Airbus, who will be happy to shut down the production line and transfer orders across to the 350.

The whole thing will delay further deliveries to EK, which is exactly what they need right now....a huge drop in passenger numbers and not enough pilots..the perfect solution for a complete halt in expansion while blaming everyone else.

Interesting times ahead.
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 16:42
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Guys, again rumors do not help...

So far I got no evidence, only gossips and rumors and "trough the grapevine" via PM....

Letters would help....
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 17:06
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Losses

KC makes a good point , I think we all know that the massive 380 orders incl showers ! Was a bridge too far .
I'm no finance expert but I ask myself why this strategy wasn't followed by other carriers ? Are Ek so brilliant ? STC has staked his reputation on this & talks a good game but even with fuel prices at a low point , is it a success ? I'm not sure , surely a token 10 - 20 or so airframes as a " jewel in the crown" marketing strategy might have been sufficient . Lots going on behind the curtain & it is a nice pax experience ... But I still sense that the " pissing contest " mentality got the better of business nous ...
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 17:08
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Originally Posted by CTWO View Post
Guys, again rumors do not help...

So far I got no evidence, only gossips and rumors and "trough the grapevine" via PM....

Letters would help....
O.K, I'm send an Email to the LH CP and ask him to confirm. Do you want it on the LH letterhead?

Yes it is a rumour, but I don't know why somebody asked me about EK, Dubai and the qol if he doesn't think about the option.
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 17:32
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To the rocket scientists that believe that the shafting of the A334 skippers is directly related to the demise of the 380 fleet, can you please explain why upgrades are still underway on it? Much less time and money to take a 334 skipper than upgrade an FO. And we all know dollar is king in these parts.
Grow up. Your colleagues are being shafted. Take your paranoia elsewhere.
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 17:47
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
To the rocket scientists that believe that the shafting of the A334 skippers is directly related to the demise of the 380 fleet, can you please explain why upgrades are still underway on it? Much less time and money to take a 334 skipper than upgrade an FO. And we all know dollar is king in these parts.
Grow up. Your colleagues are being shafted. Take your paranoia elsewhere.
@Don Any idea why this happens?
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 18:35
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Confused ?

I recall all 380 F/O,s had to iupgrade initially on the 330/340 prior to transferring to the LHS 380 ? . Then to accommodate a few local Captains this policy was changed ...( hours needed etc . ) Headline News , upgrade celebrations and so on ! Now it seems everyone can " have a go " except for many 330 / 340 captains ....
Confused !
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 18:47
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First command

Just to clarify their first command was the A380 .... Thoughts ?
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 03:18
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Just to clarify their first command was the A380 .... Thoughts ?
And your point is? Just wondering if you're one of the stereotypical 777 guys who are always first to point out that the 380 is "just another plane" but are even quicker to cry like a baby when A380 FO's get their first command on the jet.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 03:58
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Ex dubai. Until recently you required 3000hr command on an EK type to move onto the 380 as a Capt.

As the 330/340 wound down, it became obvious that some Capts on that fleet could not achieve this. So recently this requirement was exempted.

It would appear that this exemption and exemption of reduction of hours to start command course on any fleet has been removed since the 777 burnt out in front of the HQ.

The option of sending Capts to the right seat is badly thought out. Transitioning them onto the 777 would have been much fairer.

There is no conspiracy nor boogey man behind the door. Just simple bad management.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 05:02
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@Don


intressting that a commander needs 3000hr to go over, while a FO is in CCP with just 2000hr EK 380 and not a single minute widebody before that. expierence way less than the Commander.


and does that mean they will downgrade Commander which are already flying the fat lady. some of them joined end 2013 and moved over end last year or earlier this year. it is impossible that they are close to one of these new requirements. some of them are even trainers. so what will happen to them.


This is not only bad management
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 05:03
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But many of the guys being shifted from A330/340 to the RHS have well over 3000 hours EK Command. Where is the logic or benefit of this shoot-from-the-hip policy??
My sympathies to those who have been royally shafted on this.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 05:05
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Lots of root causes behind the recent B777 crash. While no one yet knows all the answers, I'm pretty certain that a lack of A380 time for the Commander was NOT a factor!
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