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Old 9th Aug 2017, 19:03
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Originally Posted by Jack330 View Post
Man, sorry to contradict you but 737 and 777 fly exactly the same way with the latest being much easier to handle.. That's my point as I fly the 777 now and I flew the 737NG for years.
Almost spit out my beer with this one. Lack of sleep and chronic fatigue must have kicked in Jack. And yesssss, I've flown both.

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Old 10th Aug 2017, 00:48
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Actually I'm very well rested since I'm enjoining my vacations in greece.
Maybe I haven't expressed my point correctly or your beer is giving you blurred vision 😂.
I wanted to point out that, sop and manualwise, ek is like a big ryanair after all that operates in a different enviroment.
The point was that the 737, 777, 787 share the same exact philosophy of flying, take off with a/t, lnav vnav with the difference that ryanair doesn't use the options correctly since they engage vnav around 800 ft gnd and other little things.
The 737 and 787 have also the IAN option for approach that the actual 777 is missing.
What exactly made you laugh so much ?? Maybe when I said that transitioning from 737 to 777 is a piece of cake ? Well it is actually
Ask the fz guys that fly everyday to kabul, khatmandu, bagdad etc etc
Once they came on the 777 they finally relaxed 😎
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 01:53
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Ask the fz guys that fly everyday to kabul, khatmandu, bagdad etc etc
Once they came on the 777 they finally relaxed ��
Them maybe, but we as skippers not really, if confronted with such an attitude .....
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 06:18
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but 737 and 777 fly exactly the same way
I can understand what you mean because the original Flight Control Software was designed to give the feel of a B734 at 68 tonnes to a B777.

However, the AFCS software, system architecture, and the FMC software and operation is very different under the hood.

It would be prudent to get your nose in the books and read and understand. Little things like the hidden modes, when do they operate, what is the difference between Lvl Chg and FlCh, what does the quick return function do for you?

And a little humbleness is always good. You are never too old to learn.
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 08:29
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We learn

Very true, we never stop learning..
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 20:32
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JACK...

The point was that the 737, 777, 787 share the same exact philosophy of flying, take off with a/t, lnav vnav
Please tell me that your badge says "CAPTAIN OBVIOUS"

difference that ryanair doesn't use the options correctly since they engage vnav around 800 ft gnd and other little things.
Was completely unaware how Ryan Air contributed to the thread entitled "B777 Emergency DXB". Unless you are eluding to the dangers of multiple selfies and instagram updates
What exactly made you laugh so much ?? Maybe when I said that transitioning from 737 to 777 is a piece of cake ? Well it is actually
Ask the fz guys that fly everyday to kabul, khatmandu, bagdad etc etc
Once they came on the 777 they finally relaxed
I went the opposite way, and it was frustrating. And yes, your post made me laugh. The fact that you had to pump your chest and brag about being on "vacations" made me smile. A little defensive, eh?
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 23:18
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' Ex FZ Guys flying the 777 into Kabul and Bagdad are relaxed" . That would have to be one of the most worrying posts I have ever read.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 06:32
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Any news on a pending report?
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 07:13
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The final report is supposed to be released at the two year mark.

Given that the much respected A380 training manager was "repositioned", over the Moscow and JFK " incidents", maybe we will finally see a "repositioning" of the less respected B777 training manager.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 17:41
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Second Interim Statement issued 5th Aug 2018. See http://gcaa.gov.ae/en/epublication/p...ionReport.aspx

Final Report soon.
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by portmanteau View Post
Second Interim Statement issued 5th Aug 2018. See http://gcaa.gov.ae/en/epublication/p...ionReport.aspx

Final Report soon.
Another year has gone by with no final report in sight. They had a draft version ready last year, but I guess any report hinting at anything but pilot error will be unacceptable to EK/Dubai Airport/UAE. what's the delay?
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 02:06
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Originally Posted by PointMergeArrival View Post
Another year has gone by with no final report in sight. They had a draft version ready last year, but I guess any report hinting at anything but pilot error will be unacceptable to EK/Dubai Airport/UAE. what's the delay?
Pilot error is possible and dealt with accordingly (punishment) at the sandpit. As long it's not a local...
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 03:23
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Originally Posted by Python27 View Post
Pilot error is possible and dealt with accordingly (punishment) at the sandpit. As long it's not a local...
Nope... We have a well established Just Culture in place..

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 05:02
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And... the Captain was a local.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 07:35
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
That would never happen on the Boeing. Both yokes and the throttles move.
a Boeing also doesnít have overtemp protection. Only overspeed.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 23:27
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Originally Posted by PointMergeArrival View Post
Another year has gone by with no final report in sight. They had a draft version ready last year, but I guess any report hinting at anything but pilot error will be unacceptable to EK/Dubai Airport/UAE. what's the delay?
We all know what caused it and the regulator knows this but as with any accident, there will be various processes and procedures or the lack of these, which helped contribute towards the event. The level of time-consuming diplomacy that the GCAA will exercise to ensure the least number of noses are placed out of joint, would make the UN proud!
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 02:28
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Originally Posted by fatbus View Post
Does anyone remember AA 757 Cali , Boeing refused to change the auto speed brake retraction with TOGA. It would admit a fault in the design. Same applies. FCOM is by the letter of the law correct. If the speed brakes were retracted that 757 would not have had a CFIT.

Or more importantly if those AA pilots had a clue where they were there would not be 180 or so dead people.
The pilots did so many dumb and wrong things on that flight that they deserved to die, itís just ashamed they took so many innocent passengers with them.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 05:43
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Originally Posted by cerbus View Post

The pilots did so many dumb and wrong things on that flight that they deserved to die
Really? I'm not contesting they screwed up, but deserving to die?
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 07:01
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Originally Posted by cerbus View Post



Or more importantly if those AA pilots had a clue where they were there would not be 180 or so dead people.
The pilots did so many dumb and wrong things on that flight that they deserved to die, itís just ashamed they took so many innocent passengers with them.
What a profound lack of humanity and understanding of human limitation.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 10:46
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Typical bashing of anything American. America is not a perfect place by any stretch, but a place BILLIONS would go if the gates were opened. When the stuff hits the fan who is called and who steps up?? Not Russia, Not China, Not Iran, Not Norway, Not Korea. So keep yapping!
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