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Ansett had an incident with a 743 in '94 that saw the aircraft land with no nose gear down and had an evacuation.
Management were up to the task of admitting that "some" of the responsibility was on them due in part to commercial pressures. And this was an issue the company tried to portray that should not have happened.
A training video has been released for all operators who want to use it as a training tool since the event happened.
Will EK do the same? Considering it happened in DXB with a multitude of cameras around the airport and Black Box evidence that has been re-enacted many times already in the sim by management.
We will see en-shalla.
halas
Management were up to the task of admitting that "some" of the responsibility was on them due in part to commercial pressures. And this was an issue the company tried to portray that should not have happened.
A training video has been released for all operators who want to use it as a training tool since the event happened.
Will EK do the same? Considering it happened in DXB with a multitude of cameras around the airport and Black Box evidence that has been re-enacted many times already in the sim by management.
We will see en-shalla.
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Fliion - I agree. The cabin crew did an amazing job, in blocking doors, reassessing and unblocking exits as the situation changed.
Outstanding.
12 seconds of no thrust after go around attempted.
Outstanding.
12 seconds of no thrust after go around attempted.
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According the report it looks like both pilots did not verify sufficient thrust before calling for, and selecting gear up.
Hard to speculate about what the outcome would have been if the gear had remained down throughout go around. Maybe a hard landing check would have been the outcome.
The report tells no surprises...
Hard to speculate about what the outcome would have been if the gear had remained down throughout go around. Maybe a hard landing check would have been the outcome.
The report tells no surprises...
short flights long nights
I'm wondering if they did not get the 'long landing ' call, i.e. If RAAS was not installed, would have they gone around. Not saying that RAAS is not a good thing, but it has to be used in a 'just culture'. What was going on in ' the back of their heads' as they heard that warning?
Nail on head SOPS.
The RAAS did exactly that.
Probably spooked them into a go-around for no other reason than the punitive nature of what would happen once the holier-than-thou in fleet found out if they did not go around....even with +2Km runway infront.
halas
The RAAS did exactly that.
Probably spooked them into a go-around for no other reason than the punitive nature of what would happen once the holier-than-thou in fleet found out if they did not go around....even with +2Km runway infront.
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Halas, SOPS,
we came to the same conclusion independently today in a discussion amongst former EK drivers. All of us happy to have left that state of paranoia. It does make it hard to think straight.
So, I guess it serves EK right for having installed RAAS while at the same time driving experience and common sense out the door at all cost. Of course the argument of looking out the window at the familiar home base and seeing plenty of runway wouldn't have won them any points on their day off in the office - had they continued the landing. So they did what they thought the company wanted them to. The desired lack of manual flying probably didn't help.
Since they have come such a long way in getting rid of independent thinkers, confident flyers and other challengers to their absolute wisdom, I am certain that their conclusion will be completely different from ours.
we came to the same conclusion independently today in a discussion amongst former EK drivers. All of us happy to have left that state of paranoia. It does make it hard to think straight.
So, I guess it serves EK right for having installed RAAS while at the same time driving experience and common sense out the door at all cost. Of course the argument of looking out the window at the familiar home base and seeing plenty of runway wouldn't have won them any points on their day off in the office - had they continued the landing. So they did what they thought the company wanted them to. The desired lack of manual flying probably didn't help.
Since they have come such a long way in getting rid of independent thinkers, confident flyers and other challengers to their absolute wisdom, I am certain that their conclusion will be completely different from ours.
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RAAS is an odd beast - 98% a dangerous and pointless distraction but also two pure gold callouts:
"Altimeter Setting" and "on taxi-way" will save lives some day, but the other stuff is bollocks...
"Altimeter Setting" and "on taxi-way" will save lives some day, but the other stuff is bollocks...
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Or.......how about some plain common sense!!! It should be a 'tool' and if it's a bright, sunny day and you have a long runway then you don't worry about it. A dark night, unfamiliar airport - it may be useful one day.
The issue is NOT The technology but the training combined with logical rules for its use.
The issue is NOT The technology but the training combined with logical rules for its use.