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If you do a departure briefing by the book, after the EMG Brief you follow a specific order-but that is all. 'By the book' you address only pertinent threats to your flight-hopefully with mitigation techniques mentioned. If it is a 'standard' flight the briefing should last a maximum of 90 secs. If yours take longer you are not following the guidance of said 'book!'
And that's from an ozzie. And dat bruther talk dah truetalk.
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If you do a departure briefing by the book
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If you're going to quote me ... use full sentence. "Pre - sim"
Another one with fine print challenges
But seeing as you've moved it to departure brief. Love a STD dep brief followed by threats.
Another one with fine print challenges
But seeing as you've moved it to departure brief. Love a STD dep brief followed by threats.
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You want to mention 'fine print' fliion I suggest new glasses may be in order. My comment was a direct response to the one immediately above it-I re-read it just to check as I always assume I am wrong-but I am confident it says 'pre-departure briefing-hence I stand by me response!
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Wasnt referencing your post ... More the expectation of regurgitating rote in training ...haven't experienced it myself... then it got misquoted into pre brief.
Anyway back to thread subject. I'm not a trainer but had a casual second read of the FCN and a look at some trainer rosters - and its apparent the pain is shared.
FlyDubai seems have been forgotten, (where it happened didn't help) looks like 95+ for everyone, attrition back to full speed judging by casual encounters, trainers slammed.
Many, including myself, had said a major incident would be the only thing that stops the madness - well it didn't.
I guess the incident or accident will have to be even closer to home for these guys to wake up.
Wasnt referencing your post ... More the expectation of regurgitating rote in training ...haven't experienced it myself... then it got misquoted into pre brief.
Anyway back to thread subject. I'm not a trainer but had a casual second read of the FCN and a look at some trainer rosters - and its apparent the pain is shared.
FlyDubai seems have been forgotten, (where it happened didn't help) looks like 95+ for everyone, attrition back to full speed judging by casual encounters, trainers slammed.
Many, including myself, had said a major incident would be the only thing that stops the madness - well it didn't.
I guess the incident or accident will have to be even closer to home for these guys to wake up.
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Always wondered why Ek briefings never included reject briefing info regarding between 80 kts and V1. (Fire, smoke, W/S, not capable of flying etc).
It is simply a robotic non thinking brief given that is done a thousand times without much thought process to it.
It is simply a robotic non thinking brief given that is done a thousand times without much thought process to it.
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Kapt habibi.
You as Captain, can make the briefing as robotic and boring as you like. I never do that, yes I may say the standard stuff on day 1/Sector 1, but I always try and make my briefings relevant to the day of operation, and build in some resilience to the Non normal stuff and indeed normal stuff. C/TWO lets you do that.
I have NEVER been criticised for that, on the contrary.
Anyhow, Trainer rosters are still crap, and getting worse
SyB
You as Captain, can make the briefing as robotic and boring as you like. I never do that, yes I may say the standard stuff on day 1/Sector 1, but I always try and make my briefings relevant to the day of operation, and build in some resilience to the Non normal stuff and indeed normal stuff. C/TWO lets you do that.
I have NEVER been criticised for that, on the contrary.
Anyhow, Trainer rosters are still crap, and getting worse
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Perhaps 'challenging' might be a better description of operations over the pole. Like 99% of our operations on new and highly automated & reliable equipment, our role is mainly to monitor. Hardly demanding other than humans are not best suited or designed to successfully deal with such monotony. This creates a performance over several hours that slides to the left of the famous performance/arousal curve making us vulnerable when we least expect it to a non normal. Low levels of alertness suddenly interrupted by a confusing and startling non normal event. AF447 trigger any bells?
Those that have spent those long hours pondering what to do, where to go and who to speak to are going to find the experience far less stressful than those sat with one finger up their backside while the other is jabbing at their I pads, all the while thinking what an easy gig this ULR stuff is. No doubt the same morons sat for 7 hours in their sweaty jim jams. Nice.....not!
That, 'The Crew', is the difference between a professional pilot and a pilot who thinks he knows but doesn't know what he thinks he knows! Comprende?
Not sure where you're going with a few of your recent posts but I hope I'm answering them to your satisfaction.
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Those that have spent those long hours pondering what to do, where to go and who to speak to are going to find the experience far less stressful than those sat with one finger up their backside while the other is jabbing at their I pads, all the while thinking what an easy gig this ULR stuff is. No doubt the same morons sat for 7 hours in their sweaty jim jams. Nice.....not!
That, 'The Crew', is the difference between a professional pilot and a pilot who thinks he knows but doesn't know what he thinks he knows! Comprende?
Not sure where you're going with a few of your recent posts but I hope I'm answering them to your satisfaction.
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"Those that have spent those long hours pondering what to do, where to go and who to speak to are going to find the experience far less stressful than those sat with one finger up their backside while the other is jabbing at their I pads, all the while thinking what an easy gig this ULR stuff is. No doubt the same morons sat for 7 hours in their sweaty jim jams. Nice.....not!"
As usual ..........Dripping! With 'Holier than thou',
As usual ..........Dripping! With 'Holier than thou',
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Ever the Uniform Fetishist Harry..... Do you really think that sitting there for 7 hours in your sweaty uniform makes you any better or more professional than those of us who like to be a bit more comfortable on a ULR over that pesky North Pole?
Possibly you fly with your hat on too! You must be really good!
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Possibly you fly with your hat on too! You must be really good!
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As usual ..........Dripping! With 'Holier than thou',
OK The PJ comment is a bit OTT but awareness of your environment, how is that "Holier than thou"!??? Good luck...