Pilots' fatigue investigation
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Some of you are real jerks in responding to such proper request from media personnel. I can't think of a more appropriate and respectful manner in soliciting information in this professional forum with name and credentials provided.
Here's how it should go, first and foremost, Thank You, Paula, for your time and effort in addressing an important aspect of our profession, especially in this part of the world.
Since I do not have anything helpful to furnish, I do apologize for wasting your time in reading this. Just can't stand the pxxxxs who are never satisfied with anything in their lives.
Here's how it should go, first and foremost, Thank You, Paula, for your time and effort in addressing an important aspect of our profession, especially in this part of the world.
Since I do not have anything helpful to furnish, I do apologize for wasting your time in reading this. Just can't stand the pxxxxs who are never satisfied with anything in their lives.
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IFALPA now involved as well
Pilot Federation on Emirates Airline: Crews' Fatigue Threat to Safety / Sputnik International
Pilot Federation on Emirates Airline: Crews' Fatigue Threat to Safety / Sputnik International
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Notapilot, curfews are far from universal, and with the time zone changes, are of limited benefit to us.
The biggest problem is the number of 24 hour rest periods, which is the worst possible duration - go to sleep on arrival at the hotel and you report to work after a long period (12hrs+) of being awake. Try to stay awake on check in and you're extending a long day even more, which needs longer sleep. We need odd multiples of 12Hrs. It was in JAROps to avoid multiples of 24hr rest for that very reason. It would be difficult to schedule anything else at outstations where there is one flight per day. That it is the norm at home base is disappointing.
The biggest problem is the number of 24 hour rest periods, which is the worst possible duration - go to sleep on arrival at the hotel and you report to work after a long period (12hrs+) of being awake. Try to stay awake on check in and you're extending a long day even more, which needs longer sleep. We need odd multiples of 12Hrs. It was in JAROps to avoid multiples of 24hr rest for that very reason. It would be difficult to schedule anything else at outstations where there is one flight per day. That it is the norm at home base is disappointing.
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I understand and I was trying to compare Ryanair and Emirates. Even if Ryanair want to make its pilots work more harder it cannot because airports are closed. Makes Ryanair better working environment than EK/FZ.
EK/FZ with no local curfew and unlimited destinations, there is no limit to productivity.
I understand and I was trying to compare Ryanair and Emirates. Even if Ryanair want to make its pilots work more harder it cannot because airports are closed. Makes Ryanair better working environment than EK/FZ.
EK/FZ with no local curfew and unlimited destinations, there is no limit to productivity.
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Talparc, In freedom et al... Just for my understanding...
Whoever does not agree with you must be management?
I should go and have my paygrade adjusted then...
I, for myself and from own experience go with Ana Cleto and would never trust a journo (nor a foreign union, especially not the Draculas of VC)with any kind of sensible information. It WILL be held against you/us/the industry... once they have reached a goal or media coverage is not paying out anymore.
Just another word to promised anonymity... Forget it. You will be presented as soon as some pressure is put on.
This does not mean that I agree with what is going on in EK, but for me, this is the wrong way to go.
And yes, you will find me at Costa's... every time before I walk into the briefing room on departure level.
Whoever does not agree with you must be management?
I should go and have my paygrade adjusted then...
I, for myself and from own experience go with Ana Cleto and would never trust a journo (nor a foreign union, especially not the Draculas of VC)with any kind of sensible information. It WILL be held against you/us/the industry... once they have reached a goal or media coverage is not paying out anymore.
Just another word to promised anonymity... Forget it. You will be presented as soon as some pressure is put on.
This does not mean that I agree with what is going on in EK, but for me, this is the wrong way to go.
And yes, you will find me at Costa's... every time before I walk into the briefing room on departure level.
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What do you mean by foreign? It is a zero fatality event as far as owners and management are concerned. It is also a zero financial loss event considering insurance company pays for the plane.
Like vortex said, they rolled the dice, may be their model predicted 400+ Indian lives will be lost which wouldn't be considered a big loss. Unfortunately 40 Russians lost their lives and Russia/RT is not going to let it easy.
What do you mean by foreign? It is a zero fatality event as far as owners and management are concerned. It is also a zero financial loss event considering insurance company pays for the plane.
Like vortex said, they rolled the dice, may be their model predicted 400+ Indian lives will be lost which wouldn't be considered a big loss. Unfortunately 40 Russians lost their lives and Russia/RT is not going to let it easy.
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Fatigue is a huge issue in the airline industry .. I am in disbelief at what an airline / governing body allows a pilot to work and think it's safe .. they know that if there's a big accident that does not involve a technical problem with the aircraft then it will probably be labeled as PILOT ERROR , never the airlines / employers fault ... . Its not unusual for businesses to put fear and pressure on its employees . The difference in our job is that of hundreds of lifes are continually put at risk because of it ..
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Emma, sorry I don't get your hint?
Just go ahead drinking coffee in costa!
Just go ahead drinking coffee in costa!
Whilst I am all in favour of change, how much lobbying to the press is required before we see our masters bow to pressure from press articles? For EK to make any favourable changes in the wake of the crash would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. It would also be an extremely embarrassing move for them to make, given the timing. Moreover our management would never wish to be seen to be placed with their backs against the wall by their own employees. The harsh reality is that the company will not take action unless they are forced to by a higher authority i.e. a regulator.
If you wish to lobby then perhaps targeting elsewhere within Russia, other than the media may perhaps be more successful? Whether or not fatigue was a contributing factor is up to the Air Accident Investigation Commission to decide but the Russians do have for the time being at least, significantly more leverage than many other foreign regulators. The credibility of the GCAA and the future viability of FlyDubai is largely within their hands. The Russians are also in the rather unique situation, whereby they have little to fear should they wish to bring the GCAA and/or FlyDubai into disrepute. Any political scandal that may ensue, would be nothing more than a 'storm in a tea cup' for the Russians.
In Russia it is very much a case of who you know and not what you know. Maybe looking towards a pilot union in Russia instead, maybe more lucrative than you may care to think? Just a thought.
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Notapilot, most RYR airports are curfew free, so I don't understand what you mean.
I have to agree with the comments by What Goes Up - I'd be surprised if confidential sources were not disclosed when the inevitable libel cases start. Be careful what you say, and make sure you have records that substantiate claims.
I have to agree with the comments by What Goes Up - I'd be surprised if confidential sources were not disclosed when the inevitable libel cases start. Be careful what you say, and make sure you have records that substantiate claims.
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Thanks ol chap you've made my point perfectly.....standing out like a sore thumb.
I think you're made......time to retire that name and try, yet again, with another one.
Enjoy Costa!
Thanks ol chap you've made my point perfectly.....standing out like a sore thumb.
I think you're made......time to retire that name and try, yet again, with another one.
Enjoy Costa!
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