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The dramatic A380 landing

Old 29th Sep 2015, 16:09
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The dramatic A380 landing

Can I assume that this dramatic(also labelled as scary) landing on CNN was pretty much as it is supposed to be done.

Pilot makes scary sideways landing - CNN Video
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 16:18
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Acceptable

A "trainable" moment .... to use a new catchphrase?

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Old 29th Sep 2015, 17:08
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Yes it was. Totally normal crosswind landing made dramatic by long lense.
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 18:06
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Q for A380 drivers- where is the localizer antenna? On the 777, if you slavishly track the LOC while crabbing in a crosswind, you actually end up slightly on the downwind side of the runway, as the antenna is near the nose.

Same on the Whale?
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 19:20
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I can't take it anymore.

I have been flying for 40 years, and have flown more different types of airplanes than I can remember, but what I do remember is that I have never, and I mean never, known where the localizer antenna was on any of them or any other antenna, because all I did was look out the window and land, that's just the why it is done.

And if the day comes that I know where the localizer antenna is, and talk about it like the dipshit asking this question, take me out back of a hanger and shoot me.
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 19:42
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North Flyer, I want to buy you a beer!
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 19:51
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Hahaha.

Don't have 40 years yet, do know where one of the antennas is but....

I do know to also look out the window and put myself upwind of the centreline (purely as a technique...)



(Not intended as a critique of this op btw)
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 20:02
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So- I notice that having the LOC centered put's you a little down-wind, and thus it's a good idea to include this fact when making sure I'm on the C/L and I'm a dipshit?

I know where the loc antenna is because I've watched endless students in the sim de-crab only to find themselves downwind. Digging a little deeper I found it was because they where using the LOC to line themselves up, as they often didn't know how much the length of the aircraft displaces their picture from the centerline.

Terribly sorry to offend your sensibilities, north flyer, by trying to help my students.

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Old 29th Sep 2015, 21:33
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 23:50
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It was just a question!
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 02:26
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The localizer symbol is magenta ......

By the way: Where has the de-crabbing technique gone?
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 02:38
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I know where the loc antenna is because I've watched endless students in the sim de-crab only to find themselves downwind. Digging a little deeper I found it was because they where using the LOC to line themselves up, as they often didn't know how much the length of the aircraft displaces their picture from the centerline.
And therein lies the rub, the SIM whilst being a valuable tool is a pinball machine when it comes to realism and feel with respect to crosswinds and using a technique.
Unfortunately Wiz, a good proportion of your colleagues utilise little in the way of finesse when teaching students because they themselves are woefully inadequate or inexperienced when it comes to operating in marginal or limiting conditions. It's sadly a reflection of the lowest common denominator, and hence your perfectly reasonable and sensible technique is lost in the jumble of poorly thought through SOP adherence, miss handled aileron inputs and worst of all an inability to use the rudder properly.
5 hrs of bumps and circuits in 10kts of xwind in a chipmunk would instill some reasonable piloting.
The other issue relates to a huge over reliance on automation, how often do you see people get out of shape on the line thanks to disconnecting at 500' and being blissfully unaware of the forward slip that is applied?
In any case, I'm a huge advocate of flaring slightly upwind which maintains the centreline and allows for a margin of error when coping with gusty conditions i.e. AMS, DUB, BHX, GLA etc etc
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 05:06
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Drifting downwind, downwind gear touched down first, and in a crab with no cross control.

Scary? No. Acceptable? Yes. High marks? No.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 05:50
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That was one of my better landings.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 06:31
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Originally Posted by north flyer View Post
I can't take it anymore.

I have been flying for 40 years, and have flown more different types of airplanes than I can remember, but what I do remember is that I have never, and I mean never, known where the localizer antenna was on any of them or any other antenna, because all I did was look out the window and land, that's just the why it is done.
For those who fly larger aircraft such as the 747/777, knowing that it is on the nosegear doors(at least for the final approach phase means understanding why the wing low method is used exclusively for autolands. If you care to know.

Back to your Cessna now.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 07:20
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wizofoz ' s question was perfectly reasonable and is certainly not the dipshit here.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 08:14
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Agreed

@MonarchMan

Likewise a few splash & go's in a seaplane would emphasize decrabbing prior to touchdown. Otherwise its just the one splash, LOL!


Not sure about other large types but the Boeing 777 FCTM does allow crabbed landings except when nearing the 'demonstrated' crosswind limits, (as seen on YouTube).

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Old 30th Sep 2015, 09:24
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Food for thought that we now have Captains on the A380 who have never landed a plane in more than 20kts crosswind.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 10:29
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North flyer - you pride yourself on ignorance. Seriously? Although there is a lot to be said for using visual cues (when available) to fly the plane, the question initially posed is valid and shows some forward thinking.

Wizofoz, the A380 LOC antenna is in the radome.

For the benefit of those who prefer to get their info from PPRuNe rather than from a reliable and approved source -
Flight Crew Training Manual

FINAL APPROACH
In crosswind conditions, the flight crew should fly a "crabbed" final approach wings level, with the aircraft (cockpit) positioned on the extended runway centerline until the flare.

FLARE
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The recommended de-crab technique is to use the following:
The rudder to align the aircraft with the runway heading during the flare
The roll control, if needed, to maintain the aircraft on the runway centerline. The flight crew should counteract any tendency to drift downwind by an appropriate lateral(roll) input on the sidestick.

In the case of strong crosswind during the de-crab phase, the PF should be prepared to add small bank angle into the wind to maintain the aircraft on the runway centerline. The flight crew can land the aircraft with a partial de-crab (i.e. a residual crab angle up to about 5) to prevent an excessive bank. This technique prevents wing tip or engine nacelle strike caused by an excessive bank angle.

As a consequence, this can result in touching down with some bank angle into the wind, therefore, with the upwind landing gear first.
If you have a problem with the aforementioned, I'm sure Airbus would love to hear from you. Airbus.com*| Airbus, a leading aircraft manufacturer

Nicely shot video though.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 10:42
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Yup ur right same in the A330/340 and 777 ....except in the sim
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