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I have not really understood, did they actually start hiring people with these absolute minimum hours? Or they have just announced this possibility in their recruitment page in order to widen their database? If yes what is the training outcome? Do they manage to go through the training? What is the training success rate? Big or small? What is the duration of line training, how many sectors for example? I guess if there is a high success rate then there should be no problems.
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Chris, I believe thats a bit too early to know, especially in regards to training/sectors. Give it another month or so and I am sure someone will have some answers about the interview success rate at least 
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EK have lowered the MINIMUMS!! Think about this, if one has the absolute minimums, one's chances of being invited for assessment are still very slim. In my opinion, they will be looking at what else candidates have, such as degrees, work experience, etc, etc.
Oh, and if one's English is not good, I suggest a lot of practice.
Oh, and if one's English is not good, I suggest a lot of practice.
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Degrees nakbin330? You're getting all American on us here...
Trust me. They ain't looking at anything but flying experience and ELP4+... (and that you're not an axe murderer)
Trust me. They ain't looking at anything but flying experience and ELP4+... (and that you're not an axe murderer)
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I'm not so sure they care too much anymore about high level English
We have a lot of "new pilots" who believe the phonetic pronunciation of the letter "Y" is "janky".
All of my cockpit colleagues next month will be using the term "janky".
There was a time we had our asses kicked, and hard for poor IT, I guess it's not a point of contention any longer.
I'm not so sure they care too much anymore about high level English
We have a lot of "new pilots" who believe the phonetic pronunciation of the letter "Y" is "janky".
All of my cockpit colleagues next month will be using the term "janky".
There was a time we had our asses kicked, and hard for poor IT, I guess it's not a point of contention any longer.
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But is EK really taking in consideration the new minimums? Cuz i have TT 2248 hours and 1993 hours in Embraer jet and they still haven't called is anyone in the same position with me or does anyone knows why?
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Have you tried calling them directly? They might be able to answer why you havn't been called yet.
But is EK really taking in consideration the new minimums? Cuz i have TT 2248 hours and 1993 hours in Embraer jet and they still haven't called is anyone in the same position with me or does anyone knows why?
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Have you tried calling them directly? They might be able to answer why you havn't been called yet.
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I understand there might be a different success rate in the screening process from now on. But I am not sure that their training standards will change. I strongly believe that if an instructor is good he can manage to train well a pilot of any level (low or high experience). How has the training been so far before they introduce these new recruitment minimums? Do they expect too much from the trainees as they are supposed to be experienced pilots? How long does it take, and what is the average failure or success rate? Do they manage to train their pilots successfully without major problems?
short flights long nights
It is interesting to note that despite the lowering of requirements, the banner ads for recruitment are back. EK never spend money if they don't have to.
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EK has a habit of compressing training to the minimum required to train to competency.
This means if you are not in the middle of the bell curve of drinking out of a fire hose, you will probably be under considerable stress and tiredness.
Trainees are given more training if they require it but that would mean getting a "2" or developing grade (basically not a pass) during training to trigger additional training. This is usually followed by a phone call and an interview from Training Management. The vast majority of trainees pass after remedial training but who needs the stress of potentially losing your job when your family is on their way to Dubai (if not already here) and you have quit your old job?
It's not fair to the trainees because they be subjected to such unnecessary stress because EK is trying to be penny wise and pound foolish. This is especially true for the TP pilots joining EK. With sufficient sim and route training, they will be an asset to EK but I am afraid they will be rushed through the training system.
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This means if you are not in the middle of the bell curve of drinking out of a fire hose, you will probably be under considerable stress and tiredness.
Trainees are given more training if they require it but that would mean getting a "2" or developing grade (basically not a pass) during training to trigger additional training. This is usually followed by a phone call and an interview from Training Management. The vast majority of trainees pass after remedial training but who needs the stress of potentially losing your job when your family is on their way to Dubai (if not already here) and you have quit your old job?
It's not fair to the trainees because they be subjected to such unnecessary stress because EK is trying to be penny wise and pound foolish. This is especially true for the TP pilots joining EK. With sufficient sim and route training, they will be an asset to EK but I am afraid they will be rushed through the training system.
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I think the footprint for inexperienced FO training is already in the manuals. Considerable increase in both SIM and line training.
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Fellowship of the dark,
What you mean by 'vast majority of trainees pass' ? Is this lets say 90 or 95 % of people passing the training? And what you consider as compressed training? Could you please be more specific? how much is average lenth of line training? More than 20 sectors? Im asking you these things because I understand very well your point of view regarding the stress during line training and Im trying to understand how much risk is involved in this.
What you mean by 'vast majority of trainees pass' ? Is this lets say 90 or 95 % of people passing the training? And what you consider as compressed training? Could you please be more specific? how much is average lenth of line training? More than 20 sectors? Im asking you these things because I understand very well your point of view regarding the stress during line training and Im trying to understand how much risk is involved in this.
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Don is correct, increased training program now in the manual for limited jet time guys.
No TP or military guys have yet started training, so will be a fair lead time until the success rate is known. Official line from management is "anyone can be trained". If cadets are passing OK then I guess that is true, just a matter of time and money I guess.
I think it will come down to where these TP pilots got their time; top class multi crew airlines or dodgy fly by night outfits.
Pressure is building, not many levers left to pull to get pilots in the door. Eventually, they may have to think about looking after the ones they've already employed!!
No TP or military guys have yet started training, so will be a fair lead time until the success rate is known. Official line from management is "anyone can be trained". If cadets are passing OK then I guess that is true, just a matter of time and money I guess.
I think it will come down to where these TP pilots got their time; top class multi crew airlines or dodgy fly by night outfits.
Pressure is building, not many levers left to pull to get pilots in the door. Eventually, they may have to think about looking after the ones they've already employed!!
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My take
Lots of opinions here that the lowering of requirements are due to demand and supply. I believe there's more to this than that.
EK are well aware that there's a group of highly experienced turboprop pilots with good flying and CRM , multi crew skills. Tapping into that group gets you highly motivated pilots that wouldn't be averse to the idea of a 10+ year time to command , a stable source of RHS seat warmers who will profess to the world how wonderful life has become on websites such as this and attract more people to join, an HR coup of sorts.
I also believe the DEC program for the 777 could open up in the near future to stem the flow and try and solve the crewing shortage. I know of several well qualified and deserving candidates with good jet experience not making it through the interview which is fine and shows good standards but not desperation.
Like I said, my views only and masalama
EK are well aware that there's a group of highly experienced turboprop pilots with good flying and CRM , multi crew skills. Tapping into that group gets you highly motivated pilots that wouldn't be averse to the idea of a 10+ year time to command , a stable source of RHS seat warmers who will profess to the world how wonderful life has become on websites such as this and attract more people to join, an HR coup of sorts.
I also believe the DEC program for the 777 could open up in the near future to stem the flow and try and solve the crewing shortage. I know of several well qualified and deserving candidates with good jet experience not making it through the interview which is fine and shows good standards but not desperation.
Like I said, my views only and masalama
short flights long nights
And stem the flow they must. A few nights ago I had dinner with 4 other recently ' retired' EK captains. 3 777 one 380. Combined experience North of 100000 hours. Each with over 30 years in the industry. I was the only one that was not a TRE with EK. I had been however in a previous life.
There is a lot of experience that has simply had enough, whatever the PR machine wants to tell.
There is a lot of experience that has simply had enough, whatever the PR machine wants to tell.
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Chrislikesblue:
I was referring to the short course for B777.
6 fixed base sims + 6 full flight + 16 sectors before line release check. Its can a lot to take in considering illogical rostering that doesn't benfit the trainee.
I was referring to the short course for B777.
6 fixed base sims + 6 full flight + 16 sectors before line release check. Its can a lot to take in considering illogical rostering that doesn't benfit the trainee.