New Crew Rostering System at EK
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If you consider all the 'beneficial" alterations that the company has made to your terms of service and contract, then this "new roster system" will no doubt have the same beneficial affect on your life. Fell free to allow the manipulation dials to be fully tuned for 'your benefit" when you dual bid.
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New Crew Rostering System at EK
If one was to take a commuting contract in the U.S. to travel to a base and then operate a flight, then when do they regard sign on time? 60 before? What about all the travel time before sign on? Don't most of the pilots commute to work at their own expense? We get a chauffeur with a commute that takes 35 minutes approximately. 'Sign on' 1hr 45 before departure leaving home 2 hrs 30 before departure compared to most airlines. They are getting about 45 minutes out of us that doesn't count toward duty. I agree that's not right. But better that other airlines I posit.
I hope this new rostering system is better than the old one as AS suggests. There are issues that will need to be addressed for sure. Might I suggest at the next washup that we just ask for a payrise. Someone suggest it, everyone agreeing, raise their hand. Will send a clear message.
I hope this new rostering system is better than the old one as AS suggests. There are issues that will need to be addressed for sure. Might I suggest at the next washup that we just ask for a payrise. Someone suggest it, everyone agreeing, raise their hand. Will send a clear message.
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SHEIKH,
Commuting is a choice of the pilot. However, EK does not allow it's pilots to have that choice so your point is not valid here. EK pilots are driven to the airport for 2 main reasons. Firstly, there is no parking. Second and more importantly, EK does not give it's pilots adequate time to prep for a flight. The flight plan is therefore reviewed in the car on the way to sign-in. How many times have you reached the briefing room and the other pilot says he's already read the 60 page briefing packet, FCI's and WX. It certainly wasn't done in the 10 minutes you're allotted by EK. It was done in the Transport, loooooooong before the pilot is even allowed to be doing any company related work.
I personally have never worked for an airline where I needed access to the flight plan before duty in order to adequately prep for the flight. If EK did not have transport for it's pilots, very few flights would get out on time. MCT, DOH, BAH, maybe. Also, how many pilots do you see passed out asleep on the ride home, because they have been worked to exhaustion?
At EK transport is a requirement not a luxury.
I would ask EK to use UBER Black. There are always 20 cars within 5 min of the airport. I use them almost daily. They can even bill EK directly. IMHO
Commuting is a choice of the pilot. However, EK does not allow it's pilots to have that choice so your point is not valid here. EK pilots are driven to the airport for 2 main reasons. Firstly, there is no parking. Second and more importantly, EK does not give it's pilots adequate time to prep for a flight. The flight plan is therefore reviewed in the car on the way to sign-in. How many times have you reached the briefing room and the other pilot says he's already read the 60 page briefing packet, FCI's and WX. It certainly wasn't done in the 10 minutes you're allotted by EK. It was done in the Transport, loooooooong before the pilot is even allowed to be doing any company related work.
I personally have never worked for an airline where I needed access to the flight plan before duty in order to adequately prep for the flight. If EK did not have transport for it's pilots, very few flights would get out on time. MCT, DOH, BAH, maybe. Also, how many pilots do you see passed out asleep on the ride home, because they have been worked to exhaustion?
At EK transport is a requirement not a luxury.
I would ask EK to use UBER Black. There are always 20 cars within 5 min of the airport. I use them almost daily. They can even bill EK directly. IMHO
I don't read company stuff in the car. If you do its your choice.
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The new CRS system is very expensive.
They would not be buying it just make our rosters better.
There have to be massive cost savings involved.
Crew productivity will surely increase = spreading ULR flying more evenly to take advantage of factoring. Getting average hours from 90 to 98 for example.
Hotel and transport costs reduced = Less layovers and/or shorter layovers. Hotel room utilization optimized so that multiple crews can use the same set of hotel rooms.
Perhaps a split of cabin crew and pilots = whereas the cabin crew do a turnaround and the pilots layover. Taking advantage of the less restrictive legalities of cabin crew.
Dubai transport costs reduced = Rostering of pilots from the same community on the same flight so that shared transport can be utilized.
I'm sure there are countless other ways that the new system can save them money. And I'm sure none of these changes will benefit us.
They would not be buying it just make our rosters better.
There have to be massive cost savings involved.
Crew productivity will surely increase = spreading ULR flying more evenly to take advantage of factoring. Getting average hours from 90 to 98 for example.
Hotel and transport costs reduced = Less layovers and/or shorter layovers. Hotel room utilization optimized so that multiple crews can use the same set of hotel rooms.
Perhaps a split of cabin crew and pilots = whereas the cabin crew do a turnaround and the pilots layover. Taking advantage of the less restrictive legalities of cabin crew.
Dubai transport costs reduced = Rostering of pilots from the same community on the same flight so that shared transport can be utilized.
I'm sure there are countless other ways that the new system can save them money. And I'm sure none of these changes will benefit us.
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Sheikh it sounds like you and "f" earned your "BSh" at the same School of Spin and Bull****tery as the company sends their managers to. A pay cut since......??? Whatever. 
Hi 120. They drive us to work because there's no parking, do they? Now THAT was funny. Nothing to do with the labour laws then? Guess I've misjudged them all these years. But anyone who can't read a flight plan and the first five or so pages of weather and NOTAMs in maximum 10min, might be in the wrong job. I read the F.I. jobs section in the car, not the flight plan.
Hi 120. They drive us to work because there's no parking, do they? Now THAT was funny. Nothing to do with the labour laws then? Guess I've misjudged them all these years. But anyone who can't read a flight plan and the first five or so pages of weather and NOTAMs in maximum 10min, might be in the wrong job. I read the F.I. jobs section in the car, not the flight plan.
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Hey Fack,
Do not interpret any of my post as containing sarcasm because none is implied. My understanding was Crew Transport was negotiated mainly by the PIA pilots who first started at EK when the doors first opened. I have never heard of a labor law regarding pilots being driven to work. EY pilots drive. I drive. Your trainers drive. The office staff drives. Honestly, I may have missed something. So I am quite happy to be informed to the contrary.
Yes EK could set up a remote lot and bus the pilots in I guess. The parking thing was just a logistical observation. EGHQ was not designed to allow crew to park there. I can think of half a dozen reasons why EK drives it's pilots to work but most have been beaten to death on PP. Also, if you can fully prep for a 12 hour international flight in 10 minutes you are much better than me. I don't touch the airplane unless I've digested the entire flight plan. I don't sign off anything unless I've read it all. I require about 35-60 minutes depending on Wx, length of flight, destination etc. I personally would need much more time than EK gives you, so my comment was perhaps biased to my personal comfort level.
Do not interpret any of my post as containing sarcasm because none is implied. My understanding was Crew Transport was negotiated mainly by the PIA pilots who first started at EK when the doors first opened. I have never heard of a labor law regarding pilots being driven to work. EY pilots drive. I drive. Your trainers drive. The office staff drives. Honestly, I may have missed something. So I am quite happy to be informed to the contrary.
Yes EK could set up a remote lot and bus the pilots in I guess. The parking thing was just a logistical observation. EGHQ was not designed to allow crew to park there. I can think of half a dozen reasons why EK drives it's pilots to work but most have been beaten to death on PP. Also, if you can fully prep for a 12 hour international flight in 10 minutes you are much better than me. I don't touch the airplane unless I've digested the entire flight plan. I don't sign off anything unless I've read it all. I require about 35-60 minutes depending on Wx, length of flight, destination etc. I personally would need much more time than EK gives you, so my comment was perhaps biased to my personal comfort level.
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Biased to your comfort level or biased to your complete ignorance of airline operations?
A 14 hour flight takes as long to brief for as a 45 minute flight: about three minutes. Even if I am doing a 14 hour flight to Seattle all I need to know is the weather in Seattle, Vancouver, Kuwait and Shiraz, plus a quick look that LIDO has confirmed for me that the ETOPS airports are Adequate.
Get out your stopwatch and time me.
A 14 hour flight takes as long to brief for as a 45 minute flight: about three minutes. Even if I am doing a 14 hour flight to Seattle all I need to know is the weather in Seattle, Vancouver, Kuwait and Shiraz, plus a quick look that LIDO has confirmed for me that the ETOPS airports are Adequate.
Get out your stopwatch and time me.
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EK is a government entity when it suits them to be so. Hence UAE labour law does not apply to them (Anybody see the irony of a government ignoring its own laws?). This from HR at a wash-up when the somewhat sensitive topic of leave came up.
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Dropp
You're a numpty and good luck with the court case
Yes, you could walk out the door having checked those items, but you sure as heck aren't properly briefed and neither are your colleagues!
You're a numpty and good luck with the court case
Yes, you could walk out the door having checked those items, but you sure as heck aren't properly briefed and neither are your colleagues!
Actually I think Dropp has a point. Briefs should be relevant. Most of what EK want you to brief is totally irrelevant. That's not to say you shouldn't read the briefing package to yourself (well, the relevant bits).
I remember a brief not so long ago that followed the "say this, then you say this and this" approach which mentioned everything the company wanted but failed to highlight the fact that the weather at destination was 48 hours out of date. Personally, I just brief the threats and how I intend to handle them.
I remember a brief not so long ago that followed the "say this, then you say this and this" approach which mentioned everything the company wanted but failed to highlight the fact that the weather at destination was 48 hours out of date. Personally, I just brief the threats and how I intend to handle them.
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120feet,
UAE Labour Law says:
Every employer employing persons in remote areas not served by public transportation shall provide them, at the cost of the employer the following services:
Suitable transportation;
Suitable accommodation;
Suitable drinking water;
Suitable food;
First aid services; and
Means for entertainment and sports activities.
You either get Transport or an allowance! Public Transpo won't crack it so....
UAE Labour Law says:
Every employer employing persons in remote areas not served by public transportation shall provide them, at the cost of the employer the following services:
Suitable transportation;
Suitable accommodation;
Suitable drinking water;
Suitable food;
First aid services; and
Means for entertainment and sports activities.
You either get Transport or an allowance! Public Transpo won't crack it so....
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WK...
You are not one of "those guys" are you that seem to get their panty's all bunched up because your FO uses a little highlighter on the Master OFP. Oh dear... god forbid!!
Seriously, who really cares. Just sign the darn thing and be grateful he at least takes an interest in highlighting what he feels relevant. I'd rather an FO do that then a guy who leaves everything empty and hasn't a clue what's important nor what to look at.
There are so many more things to worry about in the daily grind of our operation and you chose to bring up highlighters??? WTF!!
You are not one of "those guys" are you that seem to get their panty's all bunched up because your FO uses a little highlighter on the Master OFP. Oh dear... god forbid!!
Seriously, who really cares. Just sign the darn thing and be grateful he at least takes an interest in highlighting what he feels relevant. I'd rather an FO do that then a guy who leaves everything empty and hasn't a clue what's important nor what to look at.
There are so many more things to worry about in the daily grind of our operation and you chose to bring up highlighters??? WTF!!
