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Old 18th May 2015, 16:35
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Harry,
Some details quoted in the EK jobs section so, imho, not a lot to give away and hardly something the other locals won't know.
As for the forum, yes I could but I do have issues with someone else knowing who I am but not the reverse. Paranoia rules
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Old 19th May 2015, 06:05
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HD

Fair enough. Have sent you a pm with the individual's details. At least that way you'll know who the EK moderator is and can then make a more informed decision about joining us!

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Old 19th May 2015, 12:42
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Harry,

I'd like to join but have the same concerns as HD. Maybe you could PM me too...
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Old 19th May 2015, 12:46
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And why would these details not be available for all EK pilots on here?
Maybe because of the same considerations we have why not giving our details to the EK forum?

After all such details were revealed to management from pprune in the unmentionable's case ......

I honor the effort, but i doubt the control.
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Old 19th May 2015, 13:38
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Joining details

Harry any chance you could pm me with the same contact info, I've tried to join 3 times without success / response , not sure what I'm doing wrong.
Thanks! WNP.
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Old 19th May 2015, 17:46
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I've tried several times myself... after 8 years.. without success... gave up in frustration... (like most other things around here....)......
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Old 19th May 2015, 18:58
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Ladies and gents

The moderator does not want his details passed on. Not sure on the whole ethics/set up behind this but I respect his request for anonymity.

What I can say is that he has been with the Company for some time and is trustworthy with integrity. There are no 'management' pilots on the forum and you need to apply with name and staff number. He matches them up and should give you access. Ironically, using the EK dedicated forum is actually better in my opinion, almost like a private club. The posts too are more reasonable and fact based rather than some of the more emotional rants that we sometimes see on the public forum.

As George Michael once sang......Oh you gotta have faith...

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Old 19th May 2015, 19:18
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Pay review letter arrived on the 15th of June in 2014.
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Old 19th May 2015, 19:37
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after having received this on May 22nd

Dear Colleague,

The recent annual results announcement saw the award of a 3-week profit-share payment, to be paid in your May salary.

For you, May is also normally the time we announce any changes to your specific pay elements This year no decision has yet been made as work on the review is still ongoing. This means the only change you will see in your May salary will be your profit share payment.

If any other changes are approved they will be backdated to the date they normally take place. This will would be the 1st May for any specific pay elements and the 1st July for other pay and benefits, which also apply to the wider staff in Dubai.

I will keep you updated.

Kind regards,

Alan
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Old 20th May 2015, 10:32
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Has anybody had a wash up this week and asked about the pay review? We are way too quiet as an employee group! Is it any wonder there is no respect?
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Old 20th May 2015, 11:02
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Good point GD,

Anyone with a washup meeting this week able to shed any light? Surely this was brought up in discussion.
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Old 20th May 2015, 12:09
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My guess

My guess is, they budgeted receiving the interest on the money they get by delaying pilot pay raises by one month as this affects someone's "Under budget bonus." , and have now made this delay tactic an SOP. Also, a rumor is brewing, that OT threshold will be lowered to 85-87 hours. If this is done it would be great, but completely screw the hardest working drivers the (330/340). Again. EK should also add pay for every day off less than 12 to acknowledge this. Also absolutely needed is credit for training and vacation. Until this happens lowering the threshold does little in the way of good faith or justice. IMHO

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Old 20th May 2015, 13:26
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Do you know your hourly rate.....does anybody ?

120....
Reducing the threshold to around the 85 mark would be a start but as a pilot group we would need to calculate our true hour,y rate.

The best way to calculate your hourly rate it to take your base pay and housing value divide that by 80 hours or so and then add the current flight pay (per hour) on top of that.

I know it's hard to calculate the true value of housing but it does need to be included in order to come up with a true hourly rate.

The reality is that the company will probably offer a discounted hourly rate when we exceed the threshold for that month, this is what they do now.

You points are valid and my reply is part of an on going conversation.
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Old 20th May 2015, 13:45
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The problem with lowering the overtime threshold is that the swap situation would go from very difficult to impossible!
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Old 20th May 2015, 13:55
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Also, a rumor is brewing, that OT threshold will be lowered to 85-87 hours
Never, ever, EVER will that happen. On the wash-ups the senior management have been suggesting 100 hrs per month 'temporarily' due to the upcoming shortage of drivers for the period 2015-2016. Then a return to 92 when/if it stabilises. Whether that estimate accounts for any increase in resignations is anyone's guess. There certainly won't be any scope for leave.

My guess is a rise in the order of 5-6%. EASA FTLs coming on line in 2016 will allow for the increase to 100 hours per month, meaning we will really be earning less for the amount we fly. Remember time in the bunks will not be counted soon.

Enjoy... Anyone who thinks they will get a better deal this time round is delusional.
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Old 20th May 2015, 14:09
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Totally agree!
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Old 20th May 2015, 14:45
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Housing costs? We are about to cost the company a lot less when we all live in Meydan, maybe then we'll get a 'pay rise'.
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Old 20th May 2015, 14:51
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Unless the increase is only on the basic and not on flight pay we are screwed.
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Old 20th May 2015, 16:07
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Sadly, our anus has been "conditioned" for this eventuality...after years of abuse..
New joiners... "pftttt"...., expect NO SYMPATHY when YOUR day arrives!...
GTH
If you disrespect your colleagues expect the same from management.
You have every right to post whatever you think is vital information prior to one's joining but cursing out someone who made a decision which you maybe wouldn't is unprofessional.
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Old 20th May 2015, 18:10
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Originally Posted by littlejet
If you disrespect your colleagues expect the same from management.
You have every right to post whatever you think is vital information prior to one's joining but cursing out someone who made a decision which you maybe wouldn't is unprofessional.
It's just a sign of people venting anger. Don't take it personally. People tend to speak with vitriol on the Internet when perhaps they wouldn't on the flight deck.
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