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Old 16th May 2015, 17:43
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fatbus I fear you're entirely correct. Had it been a package they were proud to offer it would have occurred last Thursday.


I will cringe when I click on the pay review email from fleet
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Old 16th May 2015, 19:06
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And when you do cringe, why not spend 10 minutes of your time writing to AS & AAR expressing your disappointment, rather than sending the frustrations onto PPRune. When this Company receives a thousand letters from pissed off pilots then, and only then, are things ever likely to change around here. Frankly, there are just too many people unwilling to put their money where their mouth is. And don't even start with the excuses of fear and reprisals, your caveat has already been printed on the portal for you, by AAR himself. They're in such a mess right now that to be called in for a 'chat' for writing a letter, when the EVP has invited your opinion, would indeed be the final nail in the coffin.

Personally, anything less than a 5% basic pay rise plus the 3% increment would be a joke under the current circumstances. I'm optimistic that figure will be achieved. But then again according to some, I have been on the Kool Aid for the last 14 years or so!

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Old 16th May 2015, 19:16
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Those hoping for something to cheer about will probably be disappointed. Management will not want it to appear that us pilots have corralled them into a corner and that they feel compelled to give in to what we feel is sorely needed.

I chatted to one of our colleagues who had AAR as a passenger on board very recently and the man himself said we had no problem with recruitment and that there was a steady supply of Boeing and Airbus pilots from Ryanair and easyJet, waiting to fill the ranks.

Whilst we all know that AAR is the village idiot, he is certainly not going to suddenly give in and allow himself to look like one, by doing a U-turn on what he has been openly saying.
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Old 16th May 2015, 22:28
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At the risk of getting a mailbox full of "stop posting" messages, can I assure you quality of life increases by about 100000% when you leave.
No way! Never stop posting, you give a thin ray of hope!

Only the jealous and self-justifying would post hate mail. Ignore, and enjoy watching the slow-motion train wreck you escaped.
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Old 17th May 2015, 05:55
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Does anyone know the years of service when the cutoff for the 3% applies?

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Old 17th May 2015, 06:14
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Ask HR, get them to earn their keep. Why they stopped publishing the scales 10 years or so ago I'll never know. It's part of our remuneration package so you'd have every right to ask the question.

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Old 17th May 2015, 06:27
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The top at present is 60,090. As an alternative to calling HR and having no one answer the phone, you could work that back with a calculator.

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Old 17th May 2015, 07:08
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Dropp

I'm good with math but what formula are you using might i ask?

From what I can see, there is more formula involved then just take the top pay and divide. If so divide by what?

Not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to find the easy way that you are alluding to.
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Old 17th May 2015, 07:09
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There are 30 steps. Length of time to get there depends. Being frozen on steps a few times has delayed most. Chaps like drop have had the total of a full 0.5000% pay rise in the past few years.
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Old 17th May 2015, 07:10
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Get your pay, multiply it by 1.03, note answer answer. Repeat.
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Old 17th May 2015, 07:12
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I honestly think it's too far gone already. Even a massive pay raise wouldn't stop people from leaving who were already planning to nor would it attract anyone who wasn't already interested. They have left themselves with nothing to sell. Come to EK and we will pay you below market rate and work you to the legal max. Who would do that now?. If pride cometh before the fall, they are due for a big one. Part of me wants to stay to reap the benefit of their desperation when they finally do realize how well and truly screwed they are. Removing AAR is the first and long overdue hurdle on the road to recovery but I fear their hubris will blind them to the bitter and rapidly approaching end.
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Old 17th May 2015, 10:01
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Its in the 'Emirates Private Forum' someone has gone to the trouble of doing the math for you each year here...

http://www.pprune.org/emirates/45145...ml#post8523873
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Old 17th May 2015, 17:23
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AAR and STC don't have any intention to change for the better our contract.
I believe that they really don't think the situation is so bad.......
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Old 18th May 2015, 00:38
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QOL is the issue, then $$

- the Health is going with the flying

- the families are splitting as they dont have enough quality time together

- insufficient physical and mental rest.

Ideal formula !!
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Old 18th May 2015, 02:35
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Kernow 101

Its in the 'Emirates Private Forum' someone has gone to the trouble of doing the math for you each year here...
The link only works if you're registered for the forum. Can you cut n' paste please?
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Old 18th May 2015, 04:12
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The sooner people realize EK does not care about your QOL the sooner you will understand where you stand in the lever of importance to the company . Max productivity is the goal. Management motto is and will always be. , if you font like leave . They could care less about you.
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Old 18th May 2015, 04:30
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They could care less about you.
I'm not sure that they could...
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Old 18th May 2015, 05:03
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QOL is the issue....

Lets don't forget that, conceptually for them, the only difference between us and the volvo dirvers (with all respect) is the salary ...

Then supply and demand applies...
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Old 18th May 2015, 08:02
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Helen

Or you could actually make the effort and join the group if you work for Emirates. More appropriate I think than asking someone else to post personal details such as pay scales on a public forum.

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Old 18th May 2015, 09:11
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As they have set the profit target for next year they "must" have a budget and such already decided on the pay review. 2013 it came on May 15th..
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