US3 v ME3 - 'The Economist' weighs in
short flights long nights
Yep, the weight requirement has gone for the 330 and 777. That's a big change. Lots of Ezy and FR guys applying? Me thinks not.
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SOPs,
The majority of new joiners at the moment have come from Europe, and the largest group of those would appear to be Brits.
Ahhh the lure of big shiny jets and sunshine....
The majority of new joiners at the moment have come from Europe, and the largest group of those would appear to be Brits.
Ahhh the lure of big shiny jets and sunshine....
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It's not so much the lure of the bigger jets and sunshine.
It's the refusal of Ryanair to assist them in choice of base for their command, or to give them any sort of help with it. The airline assumes once the carrot of command is dangled the guys will put up or shut up. Recently guys started to vote with their feet and the twenty-somethings with no wives, kids etc started to jump ship instead of taking their command.
These are the guys you now see coming through as new joiners in EK, QR et al.
The problem is that Ryanair have slowly started to ease off a little bit on the aggressive treatment. As has been stated on here they are actually taking back EK FO's with command experience and offering them what they want in terms of basings.
I think EKs problem is that the new joiner 'young guys' with no attachments to Dubai (wives/kids etc) can quite easily disappear on a layover and skip their 5 year bond just to get back to flying in Europe. The risk involved for them in joining EK is really very minimal.
Guess we'll see?
It's the refusal of Ryanair to assist them in choice of base for their command, or to give them any sort of help with it. The airline assumes once the carrot of command is dangled the guys will put up or shut up. Recently guys started to vote with their feet and the twenty-somethings with no wives, kids etc started to jump ship instead of taking their command.
These are the guys you now see coming through as new joiners in EK, QR et al.
The problem is that Ryanair have slowly started to ease off a little bit on the aggressive treatment. As has been stated on here they are actually taking back EK FO's with command experience and offering them what they want in terms of basings.
I think EKs problem is that the new joiner 'young guys' with no attachments to Dubai (wives/kids etc) can quite easily disappear on a layover and skip their 5 year bond just to get back to flying in Europe. The risk involved for them in joining EK is really very minimal.
Guess we'll see?
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Delta just Got a TA
Rumor has it 4 year with 12 % DOS plus 6% every year for the next 3
777 captain 310 per hr and FO 204 per hr day of signing
16 percent profit sharing
And 18 percent Bfund match
Still less than contract 2001 at both UAL and DL
Rumor has it 4 year with 12 % DOS plus 6% every year for the next 3
777 captain 310 per hr and FO 204 per hr day of signing
16 percent profit sharing
And 18 percent Bfund match
Still less than contract 2001 at both UAL and DL
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Delta pilots are going to be making even more money? Are there any Americans under 45 yrs old not considering applying now?
The Delta FOs are going to be making loads more than Emirates captains now and working less days.
The Delta FOs are going to be making loads more than Emirates captains now and working less days.
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Totally agree. I realize there are a few US guys who don't seem to mind the abuse at EK but for the most part, many have their apps in from what they tell me. 6 months ago it seemed not many were getting called for interviews, however with two of the three majors over there hiring 1,000 pilots each in 2015 and probably each year thereafter with those same hiring numbers, eventually the EK guys will get called. I think the US3 are running out of the Master's Degree'd, Military Instructor type applicants who have a few lunar landings on their CV, so the more mere mortals are indeed starting to get called
In fact I know of 3 guys now from the US who've received interview offers just in the past few weeks from some of the big 3 and a SW in their for good measure.
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Totally agree. I realize there are a few US guys who don't seem to mind the abuse at EK but for the most part, many have their apps in from what they tell me. 6 months ago it seemed not many were getting called for interviews, however with two of the three majors over there hiring 1,000 pilots each in 2015 and probably each year thereafter with those same hiring numbers, eventually the EK guys will get called. I think the US3 are running out of the Master's Degree'd, Military Instructor type applicants who have a few lunar landings on their CV, so the more mere mortals are indeed starting to get called
In fact I know of 3 guys now from the US who've received interview offers just in the past few weeks from some of the big 3 and a SW in their for good measure.
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For those of you with questions about the DL interview process, and the transition from the expat life back into the motherland, PM me.
Anything to get you plugged back into the Matrix.
Anything to get you plugged back into the Matrix.
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Are there any Americans under 45 yrs old not considering applying now?
Have been updating my apps for months now and nothing but crickets. You can apply all you want but it only matters if you get the golden call for a shot at an interview. Good luck with your new endeavor and making it back to States.
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I'm 45, and haven't applied.....sounds tempting but it's hard to go from wide body captain to first officer on 320 with 2 kids in college. I also am a little skeptical, maybe you will see 7 year captains at The majors in USA, but unlikely.
5 years ago Emirates was doing well.....USA airlines not so well! I have only been in the industry for 22 years but it has been a roller coaster! Hgh likelihood that in 5 years they will be furloughing again and then all those pie charts of how rich you will retire go out the window........ It's all luck! Wish everyone well though!
5 years ago Emirates was doing well.....USA airlines not so well! I have only been in the industry for 22 years but it has been a roller coaster! Hgh likelihood that in 5 years they will be furloughing again and then all those pie charts of how rich you will retire go out the window........ It's all luck! Wish everyone well though!
