US3 v ME3 - 'The Economist' weighs in
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On the news what the lady in charge from Holland said today
Research it : aviation daily
Etihad frozen as well
Her name : Wilma Mansveld Dutch Secretary of Transportation
More countries to follow
Research it : aviation daily
Etihad frozen as well
Her name : Wilma Mansveld Dutch Secretary of Transportation
More countries to follow
short flights long nights
Have you got a link for that?
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My guess there will be a legal challenge to this before EK drop their second flight to AMS so that could go on for months. As for supply and demand the loads on the AMS flight would suggest that the demand for the EK flights is there.
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Getting from EU/ US to Kerala with one stop is what the market demands & now expects.
If the powers that be change the regulatory dynamics then the market will adjust.
For example it is not beyond the realms of reality that in the event that the U.S. rolled back or restricted access to US points then look for large equity investments by ME3 in US (EU) partners to feed Dubai et al.
JetBlue 380's JFK to DWC in the next decade?
Laugh if you want.
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If the powers that be change the regulatory dynamics then the market will adjust.
For example it is not beyond the realms of reality that in the event that the U.S. rolled back or restricted access to US points then look for large equity investments by ME3 in US (EU) partners to feed Dubai et al.
JetBlue 380's JFK to DWC in the next decade?
Laugh if you want.
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Well done Holland.
Until the ME3 treat ALL employees fairly with regards to their employment rights , compensation , collective bargaining and union affiliation , their strong arm tactics will be met with resistance.
The Dutch , the Americans , the Germans , the Canadians and Scandinavians are not about to surrender their aviation markets in order to sell the ME3 aircraft. Equally , they are not about to enable the ME3 to gain market share at the expense to the indigenous aviation business.
The ME3 business plan is based on seizing this market share by a combination of leveraging aircraft manufacturing with traffic rights , and by unequal labour practices.
Flawed ? Possibly.
Until the ME3 treat ALL employees fairly with regards to their employment rights , compensation , collective bargaining and union affiliation , their strong arm tactics will be met with resistance.
The Dutch , the Americans , the Germans , the Canadians and Scandinavians are not about to surrender their aviation markets in order to sell the ME3 aircraft. Equally , they are not about to enable the ME3 to gain market share at the expense to the indigenous aviation business.
The ME3 business plan is based on seizing this market share by a combination of leveraging aircraft manufacturing with traffic rights , and by unequal labour practices.
Flawed ? Possibly.
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Not sure if anyone saw this recent article:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102707034
How can Al Baker argue that QR is not related/tied to the government when other foreign contracts in Qatar are tied to airport slots for QR? Very confusing!
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102707034
How can Al Baker argue that QR is not related/tied to the government when other foreign contracts in Qatar are tied to airport slots for QR? Very confusing!
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Worth a watch
US airline CEOs speaking at National Press Club about ME3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn35xebnG7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn35xebnG7M
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Hopefully Qatar will lose the World Cup and lose the Open Skies debate.
Everyone knows they bribed their way to win the votes and the government supports the airline. A double loss.
Exposer. What every country in the Middle East hates because the facts have a way of coming out and how the dictators hate facts.
Everyone knows they bribed their way to win the votes and the government supports the airline. A double loss.
Exposer. What every country in the Middle East hates because the facts have a way of coming out and how the dictators hate facts.
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Everyone behaves the same way with agriculture. Look at the the Euro market which has even more arcane protections. Two minutes on Google and you will find that this debate has been raging for years.
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Make sure if you get an chance to interview with any of the 3 legacies to tell them about their service and how you could contribute from your experience in Dubai
If you apply of course
Make sure if you get an chance to interview with any of the 3 legacies to tell them about their service and how you could contribute from your experience in Dubai
If you apply of course
The U.S. Cruise industry registers it's ships under foreign flags and employs third world workers on far inferior terms and conditions than American workers would command.
Their airlines are obviously jealous that they can't do the same thing. If they could they would have done it years ago and wouldn't be complaining now.
Their airlines are obviously jealous that they can't do the same thing. If they could they would have done it years ago and wouldn't be complaining now.
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There are some very good points about the US3/ME3 thing
US industry/corporations are just as brutal as any in the world, it's just business.
Airlines will always be in a fight and it will always be a dirty fight for market share, hub dominance, profits, whatever, it is ongoing and never ending.
That is the normal state of business, but that is EK's business, not ours as pilots.
Our business as pilots is to get and keep working condition that we can live with, with the limited means we have available to us.
I came to Emirates 7 years ago after 21 years with USAirways (now American) because the working conditions were better at EK than they were at USAirways, things have changed.
I would argue that what we are seeing here at EK is the playbook that was developed at the US carriers 30 or so years ago, before EK even started operations, by Frank Lorenzo, Carl Icahn and others, nothing new by EK, just the way it is and will be. One example is the overtime, taken away on 9 Feb 2009 with a simple email and a third of it given back 6 years later. I looked at the seniority, there are 3800 pilots (+/- a few) 2000 hired after 9 Feb 2009, so the company looks better to them than the 1800 hired before 9 Feb 2009, divide and conquer, simple, just business.
I have learned that you love your family, your country and your dog (you can pick your own order) but not your company. You have a business contract with your company. You are expected to hold up your end of the contract and you expect them to hold up their's. If you don't hold up your end, you will be fired, just business.
After what happened last week with our contract, it is time for us to get down to our business and let the US3/ME3 handle theirs.
As the saying goes, "it's not personal, it's just business".
US industry/corporations are just as brutal as any in the world, it's just business.
Airlines will always be in a fight and it will always be a dirty fight for market share, hub dominance, profits, whatever, it is ongoing and never ending.
That is the normal state of business, but that is EK's business, not ours as pilots.
Our business as pilots is to get and keep working condition that we can live with, with the limited means we have available to us.
I came to Emirates 7 years ago after 21 years with USAirways (now American) because the working conditions were better at EK than they were at USAirways, things have changed.
I would argue that what we are seeing here at EK is the playbook that was developed at the US carriers 30 or so years ago, before EK even started operations, by Frank Lorenzo, Carl Icahn and others, nothing new by EK, just the way it is and will be. One example is the overtime, taken away on 9 Feb 2009 with a simple email and a third of it given back 6 years later. I looked at the seniority, there are 3800 pilots (+/- a few) 2000 hired after 9 Feb 2009, so the company looks better to them than the 1800 hired before 9 Feb 2009, divide and conquer, simple, just business.
I have learned that you love your family, your country and your dog (you can pick your own order) but not your company. You have a business contract with your company. You are expected to hold up your end of the contract and you expect them to hold up their's. If you don't hold up your end, you will be fired, just business.
After what happened last week with our contract, it is time for us to get down to our business and let the US3/ME3 handle theirs.
As the saying goes, "it's not personal, it's just business".
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It depends on which point of view you are looking at the ME3 from.
As a passenger you are getting low fares, new aircraft and good service.
As a pilot you have career opportunities with these airlines which have undoubtedly grown the market. Compare the time to the left seat for a new joiner in EK vs Delta for example. However there are significant negatives such as the lack of union protection and employment laws.
As a western airline you have competition which you cannot match in terms of price and service. Your standards have declined over the years and suddenly your customers, who you have taken for granted are deserting you for a better and cheaper product.
As a western government you are keen to protect your local airlines but don't want to alienate the voters who want cheaper fares. Other industries have had to change with the times, some succeeded others didn't. Some sectors, particularly agriculture have tremendous lobbying power and have won significant protection and subsidies.
How much power should unions have ? Ideally more than the ME but less than the west were they can prevent change and ultimately send an industry broke.
When you take a cruise on Royal Caribbean the fares are low because third world wages are paid to the Philippinos working in the dining room, the Chinese cleaning the cabins and the Indians working below decks. Would you be prepared to pay the increased fares which would be needed to pay union rates to American workers ?
As a passenger you are getting low fares, new aircraft and good service.
As a pilot you have career opportunities with these airlines which have undoubtedly grown the market. Compare the time to the left seat for a new joiner in EK vs Delta for example. However there are significant negatives such as the lack of union protection and employment laws.
As a western airline you have competition which you cannot match in terms of price and service. Your standards have declined over the years and suddenly your customers, who you have taken for granted are deserting you for a better and cheaper product.
As a western government you are keen to protect your local airlines but don't want to alienate the voters who want cheaper fares. Other industries have had to change with the times, some succeeded others didn't. Some sectors, particularly agriculture have tremendous lobbying power and have won significant protection and subsidies.
How much power should unions have ? Ideally more than the ME but less than the west were they can prevent change and ultimately send an industry broke.
When you take a cruise on Royal Caribbean the fares are low because third world wages are paid to the Philippinos working in the dining room, the Chinese cleaning the cabins and the Indians working below decks. Would you be prepared to pay the increased fares which would be needed to pay union rates to American workers ?