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EK and the Future

Old 31st Mar 2015, 11:08
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EK and the Future

Today is the last day of the financial year and Emirates profit should be huge. The largest ever. I'm hoping for a profit share of around 14-15 weeks. The pay raise I'm not so confidant on.
The question I have before the house is does anyone think it is going to get better here? We are all hearing some bad rumors with regards to the bidding system and amount of hours we will have to fly each month. Those have not happened yet (luckily) but does anyone have information on when or if those will happen?
Pilots are leaving and Emirates is struggling to recruit qualified pilots. That statement in itself should bode well for future Quality of Life issues and compensation at Emirates. However most people and pilots I talk to doesn't seem to think so. Any thoughts?
Emirates isn't the airline I signed up for, I just hope it gets better here. To hedge the future job applications went out recently. As we all know but mangement doesn't fully comprehend yet there are plenty of other options out there and most are better options.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 11:34
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The accountants feed the greed of those higher up the food chain.

There is a multitude of pilots only 3 hours flying time away that would take a position in Emirates for half the money that is currently being offered. The big question is "what will the safety culture of the airline be should those pilots be hired" considering the number of bought licenses that are in operation.

Does Emirates protect its "Brand Name" and keep its current workforce in place (which it is struggling to do just now), or will the greed become so great that the wood cannot be seen because of the trees by management?

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Old 31st Mar 2015, 11:51
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I am told by many people to stop posting on here. However, I hope you get 15 weeks. My thoughts are they will hide it, and give the staff 3 to 4 weeks.

Good luck to all....I will watch with interest
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 12:00
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Stay engaged SOP. It will help the rest of us focus on getting out of here and with the info you give (sunsets w/ your dogs) it will drive us even harder to realize that there is a better world out there.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 12:10
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Until Fedex or UPS give me a job I'll stick around for a while. Neither of my buckets is full yet.

I reckon the profit share will be a whopper this year but that will be it for a few years as the global economies seem to have peaked as oil priced reached a low and are rising. Next year will be harder.

I'm not so optimistic about the pay rise though....
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 12:29
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Cerbus..I want to stay connected...but the hate Mail I'm getting is amazing. I'm just happy to be home, loving life, taking my dogs to the beach every day, sleeping with my wife every night, and I wake up knowing I never have to catch s flight back to Dubai ever again.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 13:20
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SOPS, they are just jealous. I know I am. It's a free country (well actually Dubai isn't but you know what I mean) so if you want to post go right ahead. I'm just not sure why you would want to? Once I'm out of here I hope never to post here again. To the relief of many no doubt.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 13:39
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As a great poet once said SOP's, "Haters gonna hate". There are a lot of negative perspectives on this website and it's nice to see a positive one from someone who took the leap and is enjoying the proverbial grass is greener.

I really believe that with market forces finally dictating recruitment and attrition, along with a mega profit this year that we will actually get a huge profit share. Fingers crossed for everyone.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 14:27
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Twenty weeks & 20%

Tell enough people and it will happen......
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 14:54
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4 weeks, and 8% - with the productivity threshold removed so they can work us to the max hours. Cost neutral in their eyes. New computer system -- will get 8 GDOs per month with AD's to fill rest
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 19:12
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I'm totally baffled why you would be getting hate mail. What kinds of things are they saying? Why on earth would anyone be angry you've made it over the wall? Bizarre.

Anyway, I hope you will continue to contribute. If anything, do it to be an irritant to the haters. As they say...the best revenge, is a life well lived!
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 20:27
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This company is at a crossroads. If they want to be successful they need to have the employees on their side. As of now, they do not which is evident by the number of people leaving. Some suggestions to fix the issues on the pilot end of things:

1. Remove the jealous engineer who is now in charge of pilots. Split his role and on the pilot side replace the engineer with a pilot who actually understands rostering issues and fatigue commensurate with the type of flying we are doing.

2. Bring the OT threshold down to 80 hours and reduce pilot scheduling to an average of 80 hours per month. The current threshold is unsustainable for long haul flying/back side of the clock flying.

3. Remove the manual insertion monkeys from rostering and actually train them to maximize our vacation and do the best they can for our quality of life......rather than the opposite that is happening now such as spitefully throwing on a turn around the day before vacation starts.

4. Remove ALL arbitrary non-regulatory rules from the bidding system including but not limited to:

-max 7 days off in a row
-maximum of 3 trips to the same destination in a month
-and many others too numerous to list.
-basically, if its legal, let us do it.....stop over-controlling everyone. People will be more happy to work if you allow them to go where they want.

ADD the following:

-ability to swap into productivity knowing that you will not be paid for it.
-4 day string of pre-assigned off days in a reserve month.
-If a trip is removed from your roster during a non-reserve month, by 6pm the night before the trip was originally to start, you must be either assigned a trip or OFF days for the rest of the footprint of the trip...no more reserve periods for non reserve months.
-Daily credit of 4 hours per vacation day
-Daily credit of 5 hours per day of ground duty.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 20:36
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I wish that was our future, but can't stop thinking about the reaction of the managers after reading the last post:

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Old 31st Mar 2015, 20:38
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All Excellent suggestions !!

BUT...It'll never happen. It would cause them to lose face (which in this part of the world is a NO-NO)

And..EK is at a crossroad...you're absolutely correct !! However, watch the crossroad turn in to an absolute cluster F*ck as they continue to "manage" the crews that they have now...
Old 31st Mar 2015, 20:41
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I know.....they would rather watch the ship sink than actually take advice from the soldiers on the front line.

The sad thing is that most suggestions, other than the 80 hour threshold, would be nearly cost neutral so there is really no excuse.

The eject button is armed already
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Old 1st Apr 2015, 01:07
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Excellent post Transit. Especially the comment about them over controlling people. That's the worst part IMHO, the constant micro managing of your life.
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Old 1st Apr 2015, 04:40
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To ERR is human, to BLAME OTHERS for your mistakes is Management strategy!
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Old 1st Apr 2015, 04:49
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"Inventories can be managed, but people must be led", Ross Perot. We have a lot of managers but very few Leaders. Its clear how they view the hardworking staff of this airline. Morale has never been lower and our "managers" have lost the goodwill of their inventory. Well done.
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Old 1st Apr 2015, 05:56
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Transit, if they just dust off the FOM from before TCK came along they can save on printing costs!
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Old 1st Apr 2015, 06:21
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I hope everyone ready this realizes EK does not care about its employees all they care about is money. There is no going back. You can be replaced. Don't , for a sec, think you can make a difference by pressing 2 or leaving. They will never admit to parking A/C. If required, increase the training buget and outsource if required.
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