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Reap what you sow....EK

Old 21st Mar 2015, 19:19
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A big bunch of guys has been asked to go to the clinic to have their sickness records verified. Even if the sickness was certified. Looks like these boys do not even trust their own doctors. They are asking for access to confidential medical records and managment will decide on the authenticity of the medical issue. Don't they learn?
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 20:23
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Legal report time 1 hr prior could mean you find you own way to the A/C and swipe a card to prove you were there on time.becareful what you ask for.
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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 08:37
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Not really sure what you're implying there. 60 minutes is the report time before duty, not 'at the a/c'. We are required to conduct a pre flight brief beforehand so it's quite acceptable to get to the plane 45 minutes before departure. That would still allow enough time to prep and go.

What I find amazing is how 99% of our colleagues are quite happy to brief cabin crew 23 minutes before official report and be on the bus 8 minutes later. It's bad enough as it is but when it follows a day off and you're on a 0700 or 0710 departure, you're actually violating your previous day off by starting a duty before 0600.

Still, as long as we all complain on PPRuNe, I'm sure things will change...........

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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 08:46
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That pilots meeting thread (previous page) is a blast from the past. Some notable names in there too - Kaptin M before he split and started his own forum and master troll 411A before he fell off his perch from a coronary. But more importantly many former EK drivers who said their piece and left. And the same talk just goes round and round over a decade later.


That was the last of the big meetings, thanks to the complete loss of face by one of the speakers. If you want to know where the hatred of the "lazy pilots" comes from, that day was pretty much it. He lost his cool and the cheese slid off the cracker for a moment and revealed the dark, seething hatred underneath. Scary.


Maybe our good mod should re-open it for some reflection on days gone by.
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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 09:36
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Discontent at EK is hitting the press... I'm sure EK doesn't like that. Obviously some US newspapers are happy to bring this up now...

Labor Strife an Unwelcome Novelty for Emirates Airline - WSJ

(might need a suscription to see the whole article)
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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 09:44
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Originally Posted by harry the cod View Post

What I find amazing is how 99% of our colleagues are quite happy to brief cabin crew 23 minutes before official report...
Harry
99%? More like 100%
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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 09:53
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Harry I understand where you are coming from , but OMA could change in a sec.
All pre flight done on board , all briefings done on board. Use to work for an unfit that was close to that.
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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 15:39
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Harry,

Why not having a group with specific professionals whom can assist in showing EK the real deal. Starting a dialogue with management. Instead of negative groups and whining on this forum. not saying you are.. But not like a union thing. Just a group of people who will represent the man and women on the line?
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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 16:30
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"Starting a dialogue with management".

If you really believe that is possible - to reason with the unreasonable, that it hasn't been tried a million times and ways - you truly have zero, absolutely less than no clue about Emirates, that part of the world, or the culture.

I suggest you forget about gleaning the details of expenses in Dubai. Your information is more fundamentally lacking: you have not one whit of the reality of being an EK employee, if you really believe anything can be accomplished by attempting what in most parts of the world seems logical.

The corporate culture is one of bullying, intimidation, and patronization. There is no choice, which is why so many are voting with their feet, and why so few are coming. The word is out, no matter what you choose to believe.
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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 17:16
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Marsellus, you seem to have lots of opinions about EK for someone who has absolutely no experience of them.

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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 17:21
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Marsellus,

if you are not a management troll then you are living in deep denial of the realities in Dubai. Maybe listen to the guys who have lived there for years. Instead of knowing everything better because you have visited.

Your proposed pilot group will be seen as an attempt to found a union. What else would it be in their eyes if you want to speak for the pilot body. So your inaugural meeting will most likely land all of you in jail and thereafter get you deported.

Any kind of request or proposal to the management will get you into serious trouble. People are frightened for a reason. Unions are illegal, labour courts practically non-existent and people would be afraid to go there. Media is not free.

So the only way to spread the word is via the internet. And even then you have to be careful not to get caught as the recent case of a Facebook post outside the UAE has landed a guy in prison when he came back.

If you are not working for EK management then you should be grateful for people spending their time here and letting others know about the realities in Dubai. Because they are very hard to imagine for somebody coming from the Western world at least.
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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 17:45
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Marcellarse (I like that : > )

Starting a dialogue with mgt ? We did that, they were called the 'Thursday Arvo 3rd Floor Pilot to Mgt meetings" of which I attended more than one (the lady sitting behind me taking notes was interesting)...

Anyway I digress, so they kicked off until a few months later when MEL happened and then they were cancelled with immediate effect due to managements belief that it was now time for the Mgt to pilot mass "dress down lectures"

Talking Ed in his glorious heyday ..

Go away troll.

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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 18:00
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I was at one of those meetings with Ed, he managed to seriously upset a very well respected Captain, who told him that if he did not apologise for what he had just said, that he would meet him in the car park......not rumour, fact.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 03:30
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Marcellarse is trolling all the EK threads with his puritanical rubbish...ignore.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 04:13
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maybe rather then ignoring marsellus it could be good to explain him things he or they don't see.......
I know, talking to arrogant is almost impossible but maybe he is just the messenger........
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 07:05
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Great post, nearly wet myself laughing

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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 09:13
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Bedford, as you provided me some info without the pathetic, emotional, whining childish, propaganda comments. I feel like responsible to provide you with an answer.

I am not a wannabe as such, I could join EK years ago and can join now- or even as DEC. If the open slots again in the future for the 777.

I don't have any connections with EK management. I do have connections with pilots inside EK. Actually pilots / friends that are happy and content with the package. I am fully aware of what's going on in EK. But are the people that are calling me a troll aware of the status / situation for example; in Europe?

I feel sorry for those that are so emotional and so unhappy with their current job package and Expat life.

Life and work needs to be balanced. EK, like many other carriers are struggling to get experienced Pilots with basic airmanship. My guess is that the next few years will be very difficult.

Supply & Demand.

EK as many others are very shortsighted and hire people temporary who join the brand in management- but have no personal attachment than to save costs and look good for their next new job adventures..

I maybe sound as EK management. But believe me, I AM NOT! EK doesn't care about replying on this forum. They allow you to talk as the unmentionable has its own restrictions... Don't they?

Bedford is correct- in my own airline aliases are subjected to court cases in the past. Court cases much different that the ones in UAE. PPRuNe will provide your details.

My cause is for the people that are in difficult situations and maybe see EK as an escape for better T&C's. I am sure that they don't start a thread here due to the sort of bullying I'm on.. Just respect each other and don't blame guys like me.

In 25 years the core of pilots in EK didn't manage anything as stated by someone here. Maybe it's time to realize that the golden days are over! Try and use a different angle to fight for.

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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 09:19
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So here is an interview articulating the antithesis of current management philosophies at EK. Wonder if he would unretire?

http://www.freeenterprise.com/story/...ntal-airlines/
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 10:13
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RBS, in order for that kind of management model to work there would need to be a few things changed around here.
1. An entire cultural change to the ethos, i.e staff matter
2. Open and honest non-jeopardy communication, not just paying lip service to it. i.e. You raise a genuine objection, 6 months later you are "resigned" for another "unrelated" matter.
3. A review and removal of the nepotism in the various "empires" masquerading as internal departments.
4. Personal accountability based on defined performance, not nationality.
5. About 50 other things as well.

Will never happen at EK.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 13:48
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Originally Posted by Monarch Man View Post
RBS, in order for that kind of management model to work there would need to be a few things changed around here. 1. An entire cultural change to the ethos, i.e staff matter 2. Open and honest non-jeopardy communication, not just paying lip service to it. i.e. You raise a genuine objection, 6 months later you are "resigned" for another "unrelated" matter. 3. A review and removal of the nepotism in the various "empires" masquerading as internal departments. 4. Personal accountability based on defined performance, not nationality. 5. About 50 other things as well. Will never happen at EK.
I know that only too well. Could only be possible if it was driven from the very top.
So, as you say, ain't gonna happen. But, you know, dreaming is free!
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