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Are all pilots @ EK so unhappy?

Old 6th May 2018, 09:06
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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes View Post
Ek is still living off its previous reputation in regards to the job in lots of applicants eyes - even though they've been warned people still come expecting lots and get disappointed very quickly.
Emirates used to be a place people aimed to get to and stay until retirement, now its a place people use as a stepping stone before moving on!
This right here, people. Listen to this man as his post is very accurate. I spent over a decade building the hours required to join EK (before they cut the requirements) because of what it once was, only to find after I joined that it is long gone and will never return. There is a reason we are parking 20 a/c at DWC this month! There is a reason they have to "open the pipeline as wide as possible" for recruitment! And yet despite all this they still refuse to change anything to keep people here!! They are going to make ~6bn profit this year and they say they have "limited funds" for pay rise!! Simply put, they don't care any more!!!! They could have changed years ago if they wanted to, but they didn't and they won't. I wish I understood this 3 years ago before I went through the recruitment process and locked myself into a 5 year bond only to find that Dubai cost of living is sky rocketing and pay is going down! I came because of the "old" EK reputation, because of the once big pay check and because of the career development that came with it. All gone! Everyone wants to get out of here, even the turbo prop joiners! Some have already left and gone back to the turbo props! What does that tell you!!
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Old 6th May 2018, 09:19
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The schooling comparisons are totally misleading. Of course the best private schools in Dubai perform better than the average state schools in the UK - itís a totally different set of pupils attending them. How many dysfunctional kids from broken homes are attending private schools in Dubai? The average Dubai expat child has well-educated parents who are probably also above-average in intelligence hence why theyíve been recruited to work over there.

From my experience over in Dubai, JESS was a very good school with absolutely outstanding facilities. In terms of the actual standard of education it was similar to a very good UK state school. Interestingly, if you look at the UK you might be surprised to find the famous schools such as Eton, way behind on the results table. Cardiff Sixth Form College has the best A-level results, and thatís with your bog-standard average Welsh pupils.
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Old 6th May 2018, 09:36
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You signed on the dotted line based on the 'old EK'? With a comment such as that, no wonder you're not happy here. Please don't use the same criteria if you go to BA looking for your next job.

Perhaps a bit more research and applying some basic due diligence is needed?

Good post by the way fliion

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Old 6th May 2018, 10:45
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Even guys with < 1 year in the company are running away.
this guy around the corner in MS just pulled one, back to ezy.

When they put you in Meydan South (highly likely) donít be surprised when you end up on that FB page just because in someoneís opinion you didnít behave properly doing whatever.

MS, EKís compound and they canít even finish a communty centre within 3 / 4 years of having people actually living in it.
Every 6 months they will send an email with a new opening month but there is always another delay coming.

No villaís to be sold or rented out so who cares.

Thatís exactly how they will treat you and your family.

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Old 6th May 2018, 14:04
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Mu own view is that the number of pilots at EK that are unhappy is relatively small, since I feel that many know it is time to leave if you ever reach that stage. However I would say that a sizeable number are disillusioned with the company. The degree of and the reason for this disillusionment does vary between colleagues but what is worthy of note is that many choose to leave before they even reach the stage of being unhappy.
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Old 6th May 2018, 19:55
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What are the exact reasons for this disappointment ?
I head an Indian at a public place who is working as a ground instructor in their academy who was telling his buddy that there is ethinic discrimination and its not the organisation that it used to be, but did not mention the precise reasons.
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Old 7th May 2018, 04:01
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The aviation academy that opened in Nov already isn't the organisation it use to be? That happened fast .
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Old 7th May 2018, 05:32
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Good catch, Don. 😀😀😀
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Old 7th May 2018, 14:49
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Never know which is worst, arrogance or ignorance?

In that example Mr.Staynes, I think it might be both!

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Old 7th May 2018, 19:39
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Er....think you completely mis read my post there friend. I wasn't having a pop at you at all, in fact, far from it. Apologies if construed that way as I was actually in agreement with you!

My reference was to the comment made from the EVP Comercial Officer, T.A. How he can expect 170 cadets to fill an ever increasing void is beyond me. Even someone with the most basic of intelligence would see that they are going to be years away from a full and efficient line operation. He must be aware that 4500 pilots will know this so it merely feeds our suspicion that the Company is either lying and doesn't care or, is generally unaware of how dire the situation really is.

Either way, it just makes them look stupid.

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Old 7th May 2018, 19:54
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Originally Posted by harry the cod View Post
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Er....think you completely mis read my post there friend. I wasn't having a pop at you at all, in fact, far from it. Apologies if construed that way as I was actually in agreement with you!

My reference was to the comment made from the EVP Comercial Officer, T.A. How he can expect 170 cadets to fill an ever increasing void is beyond me. Even someone with the most basic of intelligence would see that they are going to be years away from a full and efficient line operation. He must be aware that 4500 pilots will know this so it merely feeds our suspicion that the Company is either lying and doesn't care or, is generally unaware of how dire the situation really is.

Either way, it just makes them look stupid.

Harry
The problem is the general public , the press and most employees who are not pilots or involved in flt ops donít know this .

That is the target audience and theyíll swallow the story because thatís what they are led to believe, namely that a 170 cadets will be ready to join the line in a matter of weeks and all required pilot numbers will be magically restored .

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Old 7th May 2018, 20:02
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And that's just the point Jack. The actual problem will still be here in a few months, and will be even bigger. What will they say then? More pilots left than they thought? Summer always a difficult time to recruit? Chinese upped their packages? More American pilots left for US jobs than they expected?

Everyone is beyond tired of the excuses. Just get the wallet out, pay a decent salary increase to retain and attract. Then, with sufficient numbers, sort the rostering debacle by having a system that actually works by removing daft restrictions. It's not rocket science!

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Old 7th May 2018, 20:22
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My thoughts exactly. While such a pathetic excuse might keep the public/media quiet for a while, it will be blindingly obvious when 20+ a/c are still parked come August and they are still cancelling flights. What their end game is, I have no idea??
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Old 7th May 2018, 21:40
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Roster restrictions

Harry mentions "daft restrictions" exactly what roster restrictions are we talking about here.

They must be there for a reason....mandatory FTL's and company soft rules?

Name a few.
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Old 8th May 2018, 04:03
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Any doomsday theory is fake news by the bad media, fed by very bad pilots.
Wonderful local talent will be on line just in time to replace the lazy, ungrateful and indisciplined immigrant unbelievers.

(i think i already heard similar bs somewhere else by an equally dumb [email protected], who created a lot of the mess himself in the first place)
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Old 8th May 2018, 22:29
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Hey Harry,
How would one even respond to glofish? Maybe the better question is why would any professional respond to such bias dished out by a local. However this post shows the underlying resentment of some locals and obviously some management towards its Xpat work force. I think glofish's response speaks volumes and offers insight into the minds of many on the property, which by the way has not been my experiance. Maybe he's right, fake news is that airplanes are parked, fake news there's a pilot shortage, fake news Ek pilots are Bad, Lazy, Ungrateful, and are Immigrant Unbelievers.
Here is some real news glofish you cant fix stupid. GFYS.
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Old 9th May 2018, 00:17
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Originally Posted by Goldencane View Post
Harry mentions "daft restrictions" exactly what roster restrictions are we talking about here.

They must be there for a reason....mandatory FTL's and company soft rules?

Name a few.
No, the rostering Ď rulesí are in place simply to be spiteful, put in by the same person who thought up the new duty free Ď rulesí
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Old 9th May 2018, 06:09
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Rules... here's one. The east/west min times between flights rule. Supposedly not a legality but a "business rule" to minimise fatiguing patterns and timezones.

Rigidly applied when trying to swap, but totally legal when they roster less and you query it.

I get why the rule exists, but it's to prevent repeated use of those patterns, not the one off you actully want to do.

Ditto for rostering ULR after short blocks of leave, rendering 5 days pretty much useless for travel except elsewhere in the Gulf.
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Old 9th May 2018, 22:01
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Fliion,

Fair comment. Had I been back to PPRuNe earlier, though, I would have commented along the lines of Odin's Raven where it's not really comparing apples with apples.

As an aside, if you go to OECD Social Progress Index you'll see some interesting data. UAE: Foundation of Wellbeing -"No data". UK, access to basic knowledge - "98.46." I think those stats tell the real story of Dubai vs Western World.

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