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Does anyone have the real numbers of upgrades this year on the 777. Ive heard 30 to 40 for the year and we are half way through. I also here that 2015 might be a bit better for the 777 and may ever be more on the 330.
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I'm in the bottom third of list and will be leaving soon but since 01jan14 I've seen an attrition rate of 3.8%. Factoring the number of pilots below me and the number I have first hand knowledge of their departure the full list attrition rate should be about 3.75%.
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I'm in the bottom third of list and will be leaving soon but since 01jan14 I've seen an attrition rate of 3.8%. Factoring the number of pilots below me and the number I have first hand knowledge of their departure the full list attrition rate should be about 3.75%.
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Does anyone have the real numbers of upgrades this year on the 777. Ive heard 30 to 40 for the year and we are half way through. I also here that 2015 might be a bit better for the 777 and may ever be more on the 330.
Everything beyond that is speculation.
When it comes to attrition, anything between 2-5% is considered normal. Monitoring my relative position in the seniority list I'm coming in at the low end of that. FWIW.
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one bucket is overflowing and there are too many other opportunities to stay where pretty much everything outside of the actual crews is crap. Crap schedules, crap medical, crap staff travel, crap accommodation, crap training or should I say checking? Besides that what was my last straw was just the continuous string of lies.
I have no problem dealing with the crap but don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining.
one bucket is overflowing and there are too many other opportunities to stay where pretty much everything outside of the actual crews is crap. Crap schedules, crap medical, crap staff travel, crap accommodation, crap training or should I say checking? Besides that what was my last straw was just the continuous string of lies.
I have no problem dealing with the crap but don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining.
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Crap Schedules? Maybe if you're on the bus that might ring true with extensive night turns.
Crap medical? If one of your dependents needed an expensive operation then I agree, what we pay in compulsory subs is poor for what cover is provided. The option to 'opt out' should be there. Pilots cover of $1,000,000 however is not what I'd consider crap.
Crap staff travel? Been here a while now and compared to many, I think it's pretty good! Plenty out there that don't allow skippers ride in First.
Crap accommodation? All relative, even those out at Meydan say it's not as bad as first thought.
Crap training? I guess those that fail and can't be arsed to study might say that. If you think it's bad now, should have been here ten years ago!
So, with'too many opportunities to stay', I guess you'll be out of here within 6-9 months. Or can we expect another few years of your constructive feedback while you delight your colleagues for hours on end with moaning and complaining?
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Crap medical? If one of your dependents needed an expensive operation then I agree, what we pay in compulsory subs is poor for what cover is provided. The option to 'opt out' should be there. Pilots cover of $1,000,000 however is not what I'd consider crap.
Crap staff travel? Been here a while now and compared to many, I think it's pretty good! Plenty out there that don't allow skippers ride in First.
Crap accommodation? All relative, even those out at Meydan say it's not as bad as first thought.
Crap training? I guess those that fail and can't be arsed to study might say that. If you think it's bad now, should have been here ten years ago!
So, with'too many opportunities to stay', I guess you'll be out of here within 6-9 months. Or can we expect another few years of your constructive feedback while you delight your colleagues for hours on end with moaning and complaining?
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When I joined guys had 8, 9, 10 000 hours and with what I'd call more relevant time, Airbus and larger Boeing. I had 9 myself. A lot of these guys were in their 40's and had been Captains before, too. And sure, if back then it had been 7 years and upwards to the left seat it would have been a more difficult decision. Maybe not the best option.
But that's not how it is anymore and it hasn't been for a long time, starting with roadshows that would hire 4000 hour RJ guys from the States. And now...don't even get me started. But if you came here with 2500 - 3000 hours on a 737 and you're not even 30 years old yet I think you're still doing pretty well even if it takes 10 years. Where else would a 40 year old guy be left seat on any wideboy making 14 thousand a month?
And if that's not good enough for you and you still want to whine about it, well here...this one's on me.
But that's not how it is anymore and it hasn't been for a long time, starting with roadshows that would hire 4000 hour RJ guys from the States. And now...don't even get me started. But if you came here with 2500 - 3000 hours on a 737 and you're not even 30 years old yet I think you're still doing pretty well even if it takes 10 years. Where else would a 40 year old guy be left seat on any wideboy making 14 thousand a month?
And if that's not good enough for you and you still want to whine about it, well here...this one's on me.
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harry the cod,
I'm sorry for diverting but this is top notch
I always enjoy your posts by-the-way! I've been saying the same since.
A name change would be justifiable; harry the EK Stoic 
I'm sorry for diverting but this is top notch
I always enjoy your posts by-the-way! I've been saying the same since.
Crap accommodation? All relative, even those out at Meydan say it's not as bad as first thought.
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Never been an apologist for this Company, never will. However, I do get tired of constant be moaning when people are very often aware of what they're getting into then bitch and moan when the 'promised' 3 -4 year upgrade doesn't materialize.
Working 92 hours every month for four years? Some months I've done 85 hours with really good trips and 15 days off. Other months it's been over 100 because sim training and classroom has no credit. That pisses me off. What also pisses me off are guys complaining about fatigue but doing f%+k all about it. The number of ASR's and Fatigue reports do not reflect what people say on line. Guys still bid for 3 man BOS, JFK and Toronto. Why? Bid to avoid and write to the Company. It's illegal what they're doing. We all come on here venting frustration but few have the balls to write a constructive email to fleet. Next time someone complains about how tired they are, ask them when was the last time they filed a fatigue report? I bet 99% don't even know where the forms are!
As for Meydan, yes, I've been up there and glad that I live out and take the allowance. But once again, the option is there. Many bought their own place several years ago when prices were depressed and have now reaped the benefits. Likeitis has been here several years, he had that option too I'd imagine. Generalising that all accommodation is crap is simply daft.
However, I agree that what's on offer today is not the same overall package that was around 10-15 years ago. That's not unique to EK. It should though, still provide a reality check to those newcomers expecting otherwise, especially the extended time to command!
Stoic as always
Harry
Working 92 hours every month for four years? Some months I've done 85 hours with really good trips and 15 days off. Other months it's been over 100 because sim training and classroom has no credit. That pisses me off. What also pisses me off are guys complaining about fatigue but doing f%+k all about it. The number of ASR's and Fatigue reports do not reflect what people say on line. Guys still bid for 3 man BOS, JFK and Toronto. Why? Bid to avoid and write to the Company. It's illegal what they're doing. We all come on here venting frustration but few have the balls to write a constructive email to fleet. Next time someone complains about how tired they are, ask them when was the last time they filed a fatigue report? I bet 99% don't even know where the forms are!
As for Meydan, yes, I've been up there and glad that I live out and take the allowance. But once again, the option is there. Many bought their own place several years ago when prices were depressed and have now reaped the benefits. Likeitis has been here several years, he had that option too I'd imagine. Generalising that all accommodation is crap is simply daft.
However, I agree that what's on offer today is not the same overall package that was around 10-15 years ago. That's not unique to EK. It should though, still provide a reality check to those newcomers expecting otherwise, especially the extended time to command!
Stoic as always
Harry
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I don't ever speak for someone but with regards the Linkitis and his accommodation comment if he is an American he is spot on.
The villas the company give you and yes it is free but they are very small with absolutely no property. Americans are not use to "gardens" but acres.
Pile on now the anti American rhetoric but that is what we are use to.
Harry you are an apologist for the company. What Widebody pilot flies 92 hours a month? You are happy when you get 15 days off when a lot of Widebody pilots bitch when they get up to double digits work days.
The big clencher is how the company treats us and we can not put a price on that or convey to would be applicants and bad that really is. After all we are in the Middle East and we all know how the leaders treat their hired help.
The villas the company give you and yes it is free but they are very small with absolutely no property. Americans are not use to "gardens" but acres.
Pile on now the anti American rhetoric but that is what we are use to.
Harry you are an apologist for the company. What Widebody pilot flies 92 hours a month? You are happy when you get 15 days off when a lot of Widebody pilots bitch when they get up to double digits work days.
The big clencher is how the company treats us and we can not put a price on that or convey to would be applicants and bad that really is. After all we are in the Middle East and we all know how the leaders treat their hired help.
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He mean't what he said that he does 92 hours a month out of passion and desire to fly a/c's and that he is not complaining. My understanding is that he is completely absorbed by this primary duty and is in oneness with it and doesn't think about time of how many hours he did last month or next month but the present (in the now). And this from a tried and tested source - been there seen all sort of man, harry.
He leaves good advice for fatigue to fleet!
Venting your frustration here will only expose you - who washes their dirty linen in public?
So, come in if you want and serve your time honorably and command will come naturally.
He leaves good advice for fatigue to fleet!
Venting your frustration here will only expose you - who washes their dirty linen in public?So, come in if you want and serve your time honorably and command will come naturally.
short flights long nights
When TCAS has time on his hands to find pilot bags, you really have to ask....who is actually making desicions for the flight crew,
I know the answer to that question already..........
I know the answer to that question already..........
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When TCAS has time on his hands to find pilot bags, you really have to ask....who is actually making desicions for the flight crew,
Priorities, Priorities, Priorities...
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The important words are..expected and approximately........