EK BONUS!!
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From: Big Country
London turn-arounds
Didn't STC want all the UK flights operated as turnarounds on the Whale?
I believe some years ago he was quoted in F.I. as saying EK crew would live in harmony aboard the Whale and ply the skies for weeks at a time, eating crew meals and saving money on hotel rooms. A bit like a cruise ship...... or The Yellow Submarine.
I believe some years ago he was quoted in F.I. as saying EK crew would live in harmony aboard the Whale and ply the skies for weeks at a time, eating crew meals and saving money on hotel rooms. A bit like a cruise ship...... or The Yellow Submarine.
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From: Building Site
Do the math...
The FCI for 4 crew TA flights is IMHO only an official plan for destinations where they CAN NOT layover (e.g. Kiev)
If you do the rough math on this one:
A skipper costs the company minimum about 70000 DHS per month, an FO 55000. That is cost to the company, not what you get in your salary ( salary + housing + medical + training + provident + ...)
If we look at the turn around where this might happen, they would have a minimum block time of around 11 hours, there and back. Roughly 330 extra crew hours required per month for this to happen, so minimum 4 extra crews required.This would cost the company (70K + 55K) x 4 = 500000 DHS per month.
For 500K per month, they can spend around 16500DHS per night on layover costs, or for a main fleet crew around 900DHS per person per night for the layover.
Looking at the hotel prices and allowances we get, I would say that in general EK doesn't spend that much per crew on a layover, so bottom-line it would be cheaper to layover compared to scheduling a 4 crew TA.
I realise this is some rough math with quite a few estimates in there, but you can't argue that there is no cost benefit, and isn't that exactly what drives this company nowadays?
If you do the rough math on this one:
A skipper costs the company minimum about 70000 DHS per month, an FO 55000. That is cost to the company, not what you get in your salary ( salary + housing + medical + training + provident + ...)
If we look at the turn around where this might happen, they would have a minimum block time of around 11 hours, there and back. Roughly 330 extra crew hours required per month for this to happen, so minimum 4 extra crews required.This would cost the company (70K + 55K) x 4 = 500000 DHS per month.
For 500K per month, they can spend around 16500DHS per night on layover costs, or for a main fleet crew around 900DHS per person per night for the layover.
Looking at the hotel prices and allowances we get, I would say that in general EK doesn't spend that much per crew on a layover, so bottom-line it would be cheaper to layover compared to scheduling a 4 crew TA.
I realise this is some rough math with quite a few estimates in there, but you can't argue that there is no cost benefit, and isn't that exactly what drives this company nowadays?
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From: Skywards
MR8 - you think they are that intelligent?? I imagine they go "oh look if we take out the hotel stay it'll save x amount"
Having spoken to a senior cc manager the other day he said that Kiev is a turnaround because of insurance purposes and that apparently the insurance company will not cover pilots and cc to stay in Kiev. When I mentioned about the cc not having rest he said they are meant to have rest. So what management know about what happens and what actually happens seem to be 2 different things.
Having spoken to a senior cc manager the other day he said that Kiev is a turnaround because of insurance purposes and that apparently the insurance company will not cover pilots and cc to stay in Kiev. When I mentioned about the cc not having rest he said they are meant to have rest. So what management know about what happens and what actually happens seem to be 2 different things.
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From: France
197 millions €.....here is our BONUS guys. It is all gone and forever. 
The partial closure of the Dubai airport pushed the Emirates Airlines to reduce frequencies on routes 41 for 80 days , while maintaining service on its entire network.
In its press release of 17 April 2014, the UAE company states that the work begins on May 1 has led to "adjust its operations to accommodate reductions in traffic at Dubai International Airport ." This will have no impact on passengers who have already booked a flight in May or June since the changes were "integrated long in the flight program ," says Emirates Airlines whose CEO Tim Clark ensures that reductions in frequency were partially offset by the introduction of larger aircraft .
Side fleet , Emirates Airlines will nail the ground 20 aircraft in May , 22 June and 22 July ; she take the opportunity to perform heavy maintenance , including his first change of the landing gear on a Boeing 777- 300ER , the improvement of some cabins and entertainment system on board, or the update of its Global Communication Suite ( GCS ), which requires each aircraft 2,200 hours of work on mechanical and avionics.
Estimated by the company because of the work of the airport , where she is half the cost of traffic : 197 million euros in lost revenue. This does not preclude Emirates Airlines to "understand and support all these heart renovations that will increase the capacity of Dubai and ultimately participate in improving the travel experience ." It must therefore "look to long term while managing the short-term pain ," says the CEO.
Work at Dubai airport last from May 1 to July 20 , the time of a facelift to its facilities. The southern runway will be closed during the month of May to install new lights and additional taxiways and quick exits . The north runway will be completely resurfaced it , to receive 180,000 tonnes of asphalt due to premature wear apparently due to too many Airbus A380 using it. The airport manager is expected to move during this period about 26% of traffic to Dubai World Central- Al Maktoum, which opened its doors in October passenger traffic. It now receives flights of low cost Wizz Air and Jazeera Airways ( Kuwait City) , Qatar Airways, Gulf Air and Kyrgyzstan Air Company, as well as charter Condor from Germany or from Neos Air Italy . During construction, these companies will be joined among others by Flydubai , Jet Airways, Transaero , Malaysia Airlines, Royal Brunei Airlines, Philippine Airlines and Yemenia - while Air India , Air India Express , Cebu Pacific or Pakistan International Airlines will be like " exiled " in Sharjah.
Today, in its first operational sentence , Al -Maktoum airport is able to accommodate 7 million passengers per year. But with six runs 4500 meters (one specially adapted to the Airbus A380) and three terminals spread over an area of 140 km2 , Al- Maktoum is designed to accommodate term 120 million passengers per year (or even up 160 million ) , or 30% more than the capacity of Atlanta , the current first airport in the world . This airport is part of Dubai World Trade Center, a huge shopping complex at the scale of a small town.
The partial closure of the Dubai airport pushed the Emirates Airlines to reduce frequencies on routes 41 for 80 days , while maintaining service on its entire network.
In its press release of 17 April 2014, the UAE company states that the work begins on May 1 has led to "adjust its operations to accommodate reductions in traffic at Dubai International Airport ." This will have no impact on passengers who have already booked a flight in May or June since the changes were "integrated long in the flight program ," says Emirates Airlines whose CEO Tim Clark ensures that reductions in frequency were partially offset by the introduction of larger aircraft .
Side fleet , Emirates Airlines will nail the ground 20 aircraft in May , 22 June and 22 July ; she take the opportunity to perform heavy maintenance , including his first change of the landing gear on a Boeing 777- 300ER , the improvement of some cabins and entertainment system on board, or the update of its Global Communication Suite ( GCS ), which requires each aircraft 2,200 hours of work on mechanical and avionics.
Estimated by the company because of the work of the airport , where she is half the cost of traffic : 197 million euros in lost revenue. This does not preclude Emirates Airlines to "understand and support all these heart renovations that will increase the capacity of Dubai and ultimately participate in improving the travel experience ." It must therefore "look to long term while managing the short-term pain ," says the CEO.
Work at Dubai airport last from May 1 to July 20 , the time of a facelift to its facilities. The southern runway will be closed during the month of May to install new lights and additional taxiways and quick exits . The north runway will be completely resurfaced it , to receive 180,000 tonnes of asphalt due to premature wear apparently due to too many Airbus A380 using it. The airport manager is expected to move during this period about 26% of traffic to Dubai World Central- Al Maktoum, which opened its doors in October passenger traffic. It now receives flights of low cost Wizz Air and Jazeera Airways ( Kuwait City) , Qatar Airways, Gulf Air and Kyrgyzstan Air Company, as well as charter Condor from Germany or from Neos Air Italy . During construction, these companies will be joined among others by Flydubai , Jet Airways, Transaero , Malaysia Airlines, Royal Brunei Airlines, Philippine Airlines and Yemenia - while Air India , Air India Express , Cebu Pacific or Pakistan International Airlines will be like " exiled " in Sharjah.
Today, in its first operational sentence , Al -Maktoum airport is able to accommodate 7 million passengers per year. But with six runs 4500 meters (one specially adapted to the Airbus A380) and three terminals spread over an area of 140 km2 , Al- Maktoum is designed to accommodate term 120 million passengers per year (or even up 160 million ) , or 30% more than the capacity of Atlanta , the current first airport in the world . This airport is part of Dubai World Trade Center, a huge shopping complex at the scale of a small town.
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From: Brit living in Malaysia
We should be able to do better than South West ....Shouldn't we?
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From: Dubai
We will probably get a Bonus like Delta, Fed Ex and Southwest got just to keep all the Yanks from leaving.
Why would they stay when airlines are rolling out the riches in the states?
I really don't believe Emirates iis going to shaft its employees THREE (3) years in a row. That is not good business sense but then again the company did not get any blowback from what they did to,us last year so why not steal from us again.
Why would they stay when airlines are rolling out the riches in the states?
I really don't believe Emirates iis going to shaft its employees THREE (3) years in a row. That is not good business sense but then again the company did not get any blowback from what they did to,us last year so why not steal from us again.
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From: In Fresh Air
Guys, let's get it straight the difference between a bonus and profit share. They're two different animals with regard to any company. One has to do with the performance of one's company, the other is a "reward" for going the extra mile and contributing to whatever bottom line there might be. One is manipulated the other is a "thank you". You figure which we will get or not get.
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From: Tundra
We will probably get a Bonus like Delta, Fed Ex and Southwest got just to keep all the Yanks from leaving. Why would they stay when airlines are rolling out the riches in the states? I really don't believe Emirates iis going to shaft its employees THREE (3) years in a row. That is not good business sense but then again the company did not get any blowback from what they did to,us last year so why not steal from us again.
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From: Cloud 9
It doesn't help our cause when people keep shouting on public forums that we're never going to get a bonus again....
All you're doing is making it easier for EK management to go down that road.
Of course we're going to get a bonus!
All you're doing is making it easier for EK management to go down that road.
Of course we're going to get a bonus!
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
Actually, it just kinda shows our ego-centricity.
We are 3500 employees of an organisation that employs over 50 000, yet seem convinced the bonus or otherwise is totally linked to whether the company wants US happy or not.
Sorry, we are not THAT important!!
We are 3500 employees of an organisation that employs over 50 000, yet seem convinced the bonus or otherwise is totally linked to whether the company wants US happy or not.
Sorry, we are not THAT important!!
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From: Sandy beach
I believe we will get a profit share this year - 2 weeks as we did exceed the target. Unfortunately, what we really need is a much deserved pay raise. Speaking of which, my prediction - 3% step plus 1%. ( effectively 1% as I don't consider the step as a pay raise and neither should you ) So are we happy now? 