EK Pilots must nude up to eat and drink.
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EK Pilots must nude up to eat and drink.
The latest musing from Alan states that someone has seen an EK pilot/pilots eating and drinking whilst in the new uniform. This is disgraceful.
Please ensure all uniform is removed before any sipping water/coffee/tea or eating food takes place from now on. That's why EK spent all that money putting the closet in the flight deck, and giving you the ability to adjust the flightdeck temperature for your comfort.
Please use the sanitary toilet seat cover on your Flight deck seat to stop any accumulation of dags and the like. This note will be added to the uniform handbook, and the cost of the reprinting deducted from your salary.
I also see that those mythical "flight bags" Ed promised that would be ready by "October" some years ago are doing the rounds again. I am not sure if its to be uniform on or nude when dealing with them. The trial is still continuing.
The Don
Please ensure all uniform is removed before any sipping water/coffee/tea or eating food takes place from now on. That's why EK spent all that money putting the closet in the flight deck, and giving you the ability to adjust the flightdeck temperature for your comfort.
Please use the sanitary toilet seat cover on your Flight deck seat to stop any accumulation of dags and the like. This note will be added to the uniform handbook, and the cost of the reprinting deducted from your salary.
I also see that those mythical "flight bags" Ed promised that would be ready by "October" some years ago are doing the rounds again. I am not sure if its to be uniform on or nude when dealing with them. The trial is still continuing.
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This must surely rate as the most inane piece of stupidity to come out of the castle for quite some time.
WTF does management think pilots are? Bloody robots?
What do passengers think when they see pilots having a coffee in the terminal before boarding? "my god..the pilot is drinking coffee!!..how on earth can he possibly safely fly the plane?"
Smoking in uniform...certainly. Eating and drinking? FFS...grip it up AS.
WTF does management think pilots are? Bloody robots?
What do passengers think when they see pilots having a coffee in the terminal before boarding? "my god..the pilot is drinking coffee!!..how on earth can he possibly safely fly the plane?"
Smoking in uniform...certainly. Eating and drinking? FFS...grip it up AS.
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Ahhh, now I know why EK is the only airline in the world not providing any kind of upright rest facility for their pilots on ULRs: It's to avoid having their resting crew being able to eat and drink.
I underestimated their intelligence again!
I am sure Captain AS wrote that cr@p on his daily excursion to the Costa around the corner. A captain not wearing uniform? Yes, but sipping a latte legally.
I underestimated their intelligence again!
I am sure Captain AS wrote that cr@p on his daily excursion to the Costa around the corner. A captain not wearing uniform? Yes, but sipping a latte legally.
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Obviously you haven't heard about the captain who was written a disciplinary letter after he was seen and spoken to by TCAS in Frankfurt (I believe) with his costa/Starbucks coffee take away cup.
Nothing said at the time, just a letter a few days later!
Nothing said at the time, just a letter a few days later!
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In keeping with the tradition of never-getting-it-right-the-first-time, you should expect a modified message by the end of the business day along the lines of:
"It has been observed that not being able to eat or drink for 16 hours may compromise the efficiency of uniformed flight crew during ULR operations. After much consideration of your valued feedback it has been decided to approve the eating of meals whilst in uniform but only in toilets. Enjoy this new facility but be reminded that it is prohibited to take food into the CRC."
"It has been observed that not being able to eat or drink for 16 hours may compromise the efficiency of uniformed flight crew during ULR operations. After much consideration of your valued feedback it has been decided to approve the eating of meals whilst in uniform but only in toilets. Enjoy this new facility but be reminded that it is prohibited to take food into the CRC."
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Sadly I think you may be correct Drop. However you will need to rework that draft to draw attention to some OMA rule, and add some underlining veiled threat.
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I've just read the said uniform standards phamplet, and it DOESN'T say "don't eat and drink in uniform.
It does say don't smoke, chew gum or drink alcohol in uniform. All fair enough.
It also says don't WALK around eating and drinking in uniform. Perhaps fair enough because some pilots aren't co-oridinated enough to walk and drink at the same time.
But as usual, the email is poorly written, confuses the issue, and no doubt just gets a lot of people off-side for no good reason.
Is carrying a coffee cup to the aircraft "walking around eating and drinking"?
I'm a fan of people looking professional and tidy in their uniform, but i guess now the costa coffee is going to have to go in an unmarked bag because we can't be seen to be human.
Again....I say get a grip and focus on important stuff.
Oh...and don't get me started about cabin crew briefings being conducted in front of passengers at outstations. That seems to be OK. Not at all unprofessional discussing service and emergencies in earshot of pax. (it's ok because a proper briefing room would cost money).
Discussing what to do in the event of a cabin fire is fine..just don't drink coffee at the same time.
It does say don't smoke, chew gum or drink alcohol in uniform. All fair enough.
It also says don't WALK around eating and drinking in uniform. Perhaps fair enough because some pilots aren't co-oridinated enough to walk and drink at the same time.
But as usual, the email is poorly written, confuses the issue, and no doubt just gets a lot of people off-side for no good reason.
Is carrying a coffee cup to the aircraft "walking around eating and drinking"?
I'm a fan of people looking professional and tidy in their uniform, but i guess now the costa coffee is going to have to go in an unmarked bag because we can't be seen to be human.
Again....I say get a grip and focus on important stuff.
Oh...and don't get me started about cabin crew briefings being conducted in front of passengers at outstations. That seems to be OK. Not at all unprofessional discussing service and emergencies in earshot of pax. (it's ok because a proper briefing room would cost money).
Discussing what to do in the event of a cabin fire is fine..just don't drink coffee at the same time.
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Further inspired instructions from behind the desk:
- When your hotel rooms are not ready and you are offered a free breakfast, go change into your crew jammies in a public toilet (as you do in the AC) as to not shame the brand and eat in the the sacred garments.
- Refrain from defecating or urinating in a public facility while in uniform, again change into your jammies beforehand. Farting is prohibited.
- Adjusting of ones genitals in uniform is forbidden, especially when walking by my desk.
Speaking of which, its time for tea and medals at the club.
Al, the pilots pal.
- When your hotel rooms are not ready and you are offered a free breakfast, go change into your crew jammies in a public toilet (as you do in the AC) as to not shame the brand and eat in the the sacred garments.
- Refrain from defecating or urinating in a public facility while in uniform, again change into your jammies beforehand. Farting is prohibited.
- Adjusting of ones genitals in uniform is forbidden, especially when walking by my desk.
Speaking of which, its time for tea and medals at the club.
Al, the pilots pal.
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Kamel, I'm in complete agreement, and yes the pamphlet doesn't mention sitting down, easy solution...if one is that worried, sit on the floor.
Good old TCAS, true to form I would say, I'll now put my Latte' in the same duty free bag as the 3 bottles of Gin, which if you've noticed in FRA have Lufthansa plastered all over them
Good old TCAS, true to form I would say, I'll now put my Latte' in the same duty free bag as the 3 bottles of Gin, which if you've noticed in FRA have Lufthansa plastered all over them
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Hey hey, calm down calm down!
Stop getting your knickers in a twist. Could have been better written, granted but if you read the uniform booklet all is explained.
Buy your costa if you must, drink it in situ, seated, hats off obviously or take it to said mode of transport and drink it there, hats and ties off. Hardly rocket science and hardly worth getting worked up over.
Unfortunately, there are a growing minority out there who require these basic reminders, like those that insist on wearing their flag of nationality on the jacket, enough bracelets to adorn a gypsy bare knuckle fighter and the increasing number who don't wear a watch. When you've been flying 3 years and not one person has told you that a watch is mandatory, then some blame must be placed with the Captains too.
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Stop getting your knickers in a twist. Could have been better written, granted but if you read the uniform booklet all is explained.
Buy your costa if you must, drink it in situ, seated, hats off obviously or take it to said mode of transport and drink it there, hats and ties off. Hardly rocket science and hardly worth getting worked up over.
Unfortunately, there are a growing minority out there who require these basic reminders, like those that insist on wearing their flag of nationality on the jacket, enough bracelets to adorn a gypsy bare knuckle fighter and the increasing number who don't wear a watch. When you've been flying 3 years and not one person has told you that a watch is mandatory, then some blame must be placed with the Captains too.
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Stick to flying, avoid the humour.
What is funny and somewhat ironic is that there are indeed certain individuals who continue to have difficulty finding a simple pair of black socks, a clean ironed shirt or still insist on wearing the tie clip, non standard belts and other bizarre non standard additions.
For a grown adult professional to fail even these simple tests before embarking on flying a 350 - 550 tonne highly automated and complex piece of machinery does fill me with a certain element of concern. Yes, I know, it's got bugger all to do with how you fly the plane but, is it really that difficult to put on a uniform that's provided?
Stick to flying, avoid the humour.
What is funny and somewhat ironic is that there are indeed certain individuals who continue to have difficulty finding a simple pair of black socks, a clean ironed shirt or still insist on wearing the tie clip, non standard belts and other bizarre non standard additions.
For a grown adult professional to fail even these simple tests before embarking on flying a 350 - 550 tonne highly automated and complex piece of machinery does fill me with a certain element of concern. Yes, I know, it's got bugger all to do with how you fly the plane but, is it really that difficult to put on a uniform that's provided?
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So if I buy a coffee in the ZRH terminal then board the train to the gate can I drink it? In my frame of reference I am not moving but to AS on a platform I am moving.... Any one?... Einstein?...any one?
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But if he didn't see you drink, did you really drink it at all?
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Maybe the reason for such email in first place was a crew being observed in uniform to be eating and/or drinking what they shouldn't have iaw uniform policy.
In which case the statement from management seems justified and just badly worded when communicated back to the crew.
This (badly worded or open for misconception) happens a lot when English is not first spoken language of the writer of such verbatim or (s)he hasn't completely mastered the art of nuances.
In which case the statement from management seems justified and just badly worded when communicated back to the crew.
This (badly worded or open for misconception) happens a lot when English is not first spoken language of the writer of such verbatim or (s)he hasn't completely mastered the art of nuances.
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Because the Company have said it's mandatory.
Yes, about 99% of EK pilots and every other airline I've worked for wear one.
Absolutely nothing.
And..............
Harry
Because the Company have said it's mandatory.
Yes, about 99% of EK pilots and every other airline I've worked for wear one.
Absolutely nothing.
And..............
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All well and good, but I am concerned when we are undergoing ground training events and we have to eat at seventh heaven. How shall we comply with said "rules"? Use your imagination. Don't give him any slack on this email because it's been translated or whatever. I should hope that said gentleman with his lofty position should at least proofread any document, or email sent over his signature. I try not try and interpret these emails....I mean it did go out with his signature. So, if I see any pilot eating or drinking whilst in uniform whether it be in training, in briefing or in the cockpit, I will take appropriate action and then send an official missive to our appropriate masters. See, easy, no interpretation needed. Just do exactly what "da man" has said never to do. Look at the bright side, BMIs will begin to drop.