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Emirates vs Turkish Airlines

Old 28th Jul 2013, 10:59
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Did someone really quote 'lifestyle' and 'climate' as the reasons why one should consider EK over TK?

If QOL is anywhere near the list of your priorities, surely living in desert that's been tarted up to the point of visual torture, while flying 92 hours a month on a random roster with few - if any - 5+ consecutive days off, can't be what's floating your boat.

More importantly, should your wife suffer a rape she won't be banged up in an Istanbul jail for having sex outside of marriage ...

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Old 28th Jul 2013, 13:09
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Some guys have no idea. Makes me laugh.Must be the summer heat.
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 20:57
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The dark side of Dubai - Johann Hari - Commentators - The Independent
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 22:57
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Originally Posted by payscale
How many ex EK guys are up there? heard quite a few have gone
And quite a few TRYING to come back.... And failing!

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More importantly, should your wife suffer a rape she won't be banged up in an Istanbul jail for having sex outside of marriage ..
Who says? Still a muslim counrty.........

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The dark side of Dubai - Johann Hari - Commentators - The Independent
Yawn..... Again!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 29th Jul 2013, 00:15
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Thanks for posting Zonak.

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... For every action there will be a reaction.

Be that the losing of EXPO 2020 or something else...over time karma will prevail...

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Old 29th Jul 2013, 08:03
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I would go straight to the airline based in AUH if I was joining now. They have strong financial backing, committed to quality over cost, starting to pay a regular bonus, good healthcare and the living standard in AUH is getting better and better.

Same pay, much better staff travel, shorter time to command etc. in many ways if we were allowed to move from EK to this airline, I would strongly consider it, not that I am unhappy in my current job - far from it.

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Old 29th Jul 2013, 10:53
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Who says? Still a muslim counrty.........
Anyone who's capable of reading, or have been visiting, will tell you that.

The main religion is Muslim, yes, but it's a secular society and its laws have no foundation in Sharia. Which means, amongst other things, that women and men have the same rights and privileges under the law.

But you knew that already, didn't you?
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 06:21
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You working for THY?
If so, you know that as per contract we have minimum 8 days off a month, don't you? (not 7 as you said)

B737 FO, last 5 months:

March-> 64hrs
April-> 80hrs
May-> 71hrs
June-> 84hrs
July-> 73hrs

Had always my 4 consecutive days off. Went back home every single month.
Had an average of 8 unchangeable days off (mandatory) plus 4 or 5 more off changeable days (never called).
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 12:07
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What I don't understand is that you're not talking about something that THY promised you and then wasn't accomplished.
For example, you're saying that a MINIMUM of 8 days off and from those 4 in a row isn't enough for you. And you give the example of Ryanair which is 5-4. But you were not told in the interview with THY that you would have 5-4 blocks like in Ryan, were you?
So?
I was promised something in my interview and so far has been like that.
If some day they change it all and I'm not enjoying 4 days at home, they reduce my salary or they make me fly every month 110hrs then I will start crying like you in this forum.
No wait, I will just leave for another job and I won't create an account here to bitch about my company not talking about anything else.

Get a life!!!

Or better, go to Ryanair!

Yes I did pass my interview with Emirates and yes I wasn't offered the job within 1 year so I have to re-interview. But it doesn't mean that I will leave for Ek anytime. If THY gives me the 330 or 777 I'll stay here.
And if I see that I can get my command faster than in EK of course I will stay here. What's the point with that?
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 12:22
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Yabancypilot.....All that aggression!!! Take up MMA. You will make it to the top. Every mail I read from you is a hate mail. Come on and lighten up. After all its just a job. There is no such thing as an expat airline. I work for a large outfit with many expats in all levels, but do not mistake it for something that's belongs or is controlled by expats.

Enjoy the rest of the day
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 17:01
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yabancypilot

Dear colleagues, dear everybody, please do not shoot the messenger (yabancypilot) as he is 100 per cent correct and just stating facts. - Unfortunately - To all his post: nothing to add and nothing to delete. I say again just the facts as experienced by foreing pilots coming from western hemisphere and culture
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 19:18
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I only know long haul pilots with THY. They seem very happy. I do understand THY has problems with accepting a large contingency of expats. SAS pilots would probably also take issue with a large group of say afghani pilots pitching up.

Its a cultural issue that can only be solved over time, if at all.

Basically to follow Yabancy pilots advice. Don't join THY short haul, but Long haul is OK.

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Old 31st Jul 2013, 09:15
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Come on man. You pretend to be a captain in THY, don't you?
You exclusively post in PPRuNe to talk about your company starting more than 1 year ago.
And you still there? A captain, with the hundreds of offers that you can easily find in sites like latestpilotjobs or similar, is still in the Turkish hell after more than 1 year posting shit about them here?


P.S: ok that's funny. Few posts above you said that long haul guys were ok. I think that your modus operandi of bitching about any single thing here couldn't let you sleep, so here you are saying oh no no, even the long haul guys are bad now.
You know a lot, don't you? And the rest of the guys here are just dumb and when we talk with our colleagues all of them lie to us isn't it?

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Old 1st Aug 2013, 06:50
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I think comparing EK with THY is like comparing diamonds with stones . One is a well established expat friendly airline offering a lot of benefits for families and an internationally recognized professional environment the latter is a strongly culturally biased and professionally questionable environment where expat are looked at with contempt, kept in ghetto as a temporary fix and therefore not given any real benefit if not a salary. Turks are always ( not !) the best..... Being an FO I would not think one second to pick EK.
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 19:59
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There is no such thing as a permanent contract in Turkey, neither legally nor pragmatically speaking. It's like Europe in the 1800s. I doubt there is such a thing in Dubai either for an expat when it comes down in the end. They hire you as they please and kick you out as they please.
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Old 2nd Aug 2013, 13:13
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Your comments are fair! BUT remember one airline is located close to Europe in a centre of culture. The other is located in a sandy glass sauna. How many beers/lunches have you had out with your friends this month.
A career in EK will sap your spirit as they work you to the bone.
Eventually (it won't worry anybody there now), I predict it will go like SQ.
Management will decide Dubai is now first world and Expat conditions need no longer be offered. They are already experimenting a bit with flydubai.
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Old 2nd Aug 2013, 13:15
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I have seen one of their contract and yes.. it is permanent but permanently F/O.
I'll be so interested if you can please share with us more information regarding this matter.
The contract has around 8 parts. You can give me the point from 1 to 8 where you found that there will be no upgrade for FOs.

Thanks!
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Old 6th Aug 2013, 11:59
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HI. I just got called for an interview in DXB for F/O on Airbus fleet. 11000 TT, 5500 h on A320 and B737 above 55 t as PIC. How long is the wait list for an upgrade in EK? Or should I stay flying A320 as PIC now?

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Old 6th Aug 2013, 13:11
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The other is located in a sandy glass sauna. How many beers/lunches have you had out with your friends this month.
Well, it is summer and Ramadan, so we have been restricted to boozy dinners. But October to May, pretty much weekly.


Management will decide Dubai is now first world and Expat conditions need no longer be offered.
The problem with that theory is that there are ALREADY ex-pat v local conditions at EK- thing is, the locals get more!!

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Old 10th Aug 2013, 14:08
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Yeah your right PORKFLYER EK is no go
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