Emirates vs Turkish Airlines
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From: Europe
Did someone really quote 'lifestyle' and 'climate' as the reasons why one should consider EK over TK?
If QOL is anywhere near the list of your priorities, surely living in desert that's been tarted up to the point of visual torture, while flying 92 hours a month on a random roster with few - if any - 5+ consecutive days off, can't be what's floating your boat.
More importantly, should your wife suffer a rape she won't be banged up in an Istanbul jail for having sex outside of marriage ...
If QOL is anywhere near the list of your priorities, surely living in desert that's been tarted up to the point of visual torture, while flying 92 hours a month on a random roster with few - if any - 5+ consecutive days off, can't be what's floating your boat.
More importantly, should your wife suffer a rape she won't be banged up in an Istanbul jail for having sex outside of marriage ...
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From: 51N
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From: Dubai - sand land.
Originally Posted by payscale
How many ex EK guys are up there? heard quite a few have gone
Originally Posted by SMT member
More importantly, should your wife suffer a rape she won't be banged up in an Istanbul jail for having sex outside of marriage ..
Originally Posted by zonak
The dark side of Dubai - Johann Hari - Commentators - The Independent
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Thanks for posting Zonak.
Whether widespread injustice is perpetuated by an iron fist or a velvet glove....
... For every action there will be a reaction.
Be that the losing of EXPO 2020 or something else...over time karma will prevail...
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Whether widespread injustice is perpetuated by an iron fist or a velvet glove....
... For every action there will be a reaction.
Be that the losing of EXPO 2020 or something else...over time karma will prevail...
f.
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From: Dubai
I would go straight to the airline based in AUH if I was joining now. They have strong financial backing, committed to quality over cost, starting to pay a regular bonus, good healthcare and the living standard in AUH is getting better and better.
Same pay, much better staff travel, shorter time to command etc. in many ways if we were allowed to move from EK to this airline, I would strongly consider it, not that I am unhappy in my current job - far from it.
Same pay, much better staff travel, shorter time to command etc. in many ways if we were allowed to move from EK to this airline, I would strongly consider it, not that I am unhappy in my current job - far from it.
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Who says? Still a muslim counrty.........
The main religion is Muslim, yes, but it's a secular society and its laws have no foundation in Sharia. Which means, amongst other things, that women and men have the same rights and privileges under the law.
But you knew that already, didn't you?
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From: europe
You working for THY?
If so, you know that as per contract we have minimum 8 days off a month, don't you? (not 7 as you said)
B737 FO, last 5 months:
March-> 64hrs
April-> 80hrs
May-> 71hrs
June-> 84hrs
July-> 73hrs
Had always my 4 consecutive days off. Went back home every single month.
Had an average of 8 unchangeable days off (mandatory) plus 4 or 5 more off changeable days (never called).
If so, you know that as per contract we have minimum 8 days off a month, don't you? (not 7 as you said)
B737 FO, last 5 months:
March-> 64hrs
April-> 80hrs
May-> 71hrs
June-> 84hrs
July-> 73hrs
Had always my 4 consecutive days off. Went back home every single month.
Had an average of 8 unchangeable days off (mandatory) plus 4 or 5 more off changeable days (never called).
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From: europe
What I don't understand is that you're not talking about something that THY promised you and then wasn't accomplished.
For example, you're saying that a MINIMUM of 8 days off and from those 4 in a row isn't enough for you. And you give the example of Ryanair which is 5-4. But you were not told in the interview with THY that you would have 5-4 blocks like in Ryan, were you?
So?
I was promised something in my interview and so far has been like that.
If some day they change it all and I'm not enjoying 4 days at home, they reduce my salary or they make me fly every month 110hrs then I will start crying like you in this forum.
No wait, I will just leave for another job and I won't create an account here to bitch about my company not talking about anything else.
Get a life!!!
Or better, go to Ryanair!
Yes I did pass my interview with Emirates and yes I wasn't offered the job within 1 year so I have to re-interview. But it doesn't mean that I will leave for Ek anytime. If THY gives me the 330 or 777 I'll stay here.
And if I see that I can get my command faster than in EK of course I will stay here. What's the point with that?
For example, you're saying that a MINIMUM of 8 days off and from those 4 in a row isn't enough for you. And you give the example of Ryanair which is 5-4. But you were not told in the interview with THY that you would have 5-4 blocks like in Ryan, were you?
So?
I was promised something in my interview and so far has been like that.
If some day they change it all and I'm not enjoying 4 days at home, they reduce my salary or they make me fly every month 110hrs then I will start crying like you in this forum.
No wait, I will just leave for another job and I won't create an account here to bitch about my company not talking about anything else.
Get a life!!!
Or better, go to Ryanair!
Yes I did pass my interview with Emirates and yes I wasn't offered the job within 1 year so I have to re-interview. But it doesn't mean that I will leave for Ek anytime. If THY gives me the 330 or 777 I'll stay here.
And if I see that I can get my command faster than in EK of course I will stay here. What's the point with that?
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From: Gulf playing Golf
Yabancypilot.....All that aggression!!! Take up MMA. You will make it to the top. Every mail I read from you is a hate mail. Come on and lighten up. After all its just a job. There is no such thing as an expat airline. I work for a large outfit with many expats in all levels, but do not mistake it for something that's belongs or is controlled by expats.
Enjoy the rest of the day
Enjoy the rest of the day
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From: Now at Home
yabancypilot
Dear colleagues, dear everybody, please do not shoot the messenger (yabancypilot) as he is 100 per cent correct and just stating facts. - Unfortunately - To all his post: nothing to add and nothing to delete. I say again just the facts as experienced by foreing pilots coming from western hemisphere and culture
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From: Gulf playing Golf
I only know long haul pilots with THY. They seem very happy. I do understand THY has problems with accepting a large contingency of expats. SAS pilots would probably also take issue with a large group of say afghani pilots pitching up.
Its a cultural issue that can only be solved over time, if at all.
Basically to follow Yabancy pilots advice. Don't join THY short haul, but Long haul is OK.
MMA is mixed martial arts....cage fighting
Its a cultural issue that can only be solved over time, if at all.
Basically to follow Yabancy pilots advice. Don't join THY short haul, but Long haul is OK.
MMA is mixed martial arts....cage fighting
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From: europe
Come on man. You pretend to be a captain in THY, don't you?
You exclusively post in pprune to talk about your company starting more than 1 year ago.
And you still there? A captain, with the hundreds of offers that you can easily find in sites like latestpilotjobs or similar, is still in the Turkish hell after more than 1 year posting !!!! about them here?
P.S: ok that's funny. Few posts above you said that long haul guys were ok. I think that your modus operandi of bitching about any single thing here couldn't let you sleep, so here you are saying oh no no, even the long haul guys are bad now.
You know a lot, don't you? And the rest of the guys here are just dumb and when we talk with our colleagues all of them lie to us isn't it?
You exclusively post in pprune to talk about your company starting more than 1 year ago.
And you still there? A captain, with the hundreds of offers that you can easily find in sites like latestpilotjobs or similar, is still in the Turkish hell after more than 1 year posting !!!! about them here?
P.S: ok that's funny. Few posts above you said that long haul guys were ok. I think that your modus operandi of bitching about any single thing here couldn't let you sleep, so here you are saying oh no no, even the long haul guys are bad now.
You know a lot, don't you? And the rest of the guys here are just dumb and when we talk with our colleagues all of them lie to us isn't it?
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From: animal farm
I think comparing EK with THY is like comparing diamonds with stones . One is a well established expat friendly airline offering a lot of benefits for families and an internationally recognized professional environment the latter is a strongly culturally biased and professionally questionable environment where expat are looked at with contempt, kept in ghetto as a temporary fix and therefore not given any real benefit if not a salary. Turks are always ( not !) the best....
. Being an FO I would not think one second to pick EK.
. Being an FO I would not think one second to pick EK.
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From: dunno
There is no such thing as a permanent contract in Turkey, neither legally nor pragmatically speaking. It's like Europe in the 1800s. I doubt there is such a thing in Dubai either for an expat when it comes down in the end. They hire you as they please and kick you out as they please.
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From: Australia
Your comments are fair! BUT remember one airline is located close to Europe in a centre of culture. The other is located in a sandy glass sauna. How many beers/lunches have you had out with your friends this month.
A career in EK will sap your spirit as they work you to the bone.
Eventually (it won't worry anybody there now), I predict it will go like SQ.
Management will decide Dubai is now first world and Expat conditions need no longer be offered. They are already experimenting a bit with flydubai.
A career in EK will sap your spirit as they work you to the bone.
Eventually (it won't worry anybody there now), I predict it will go like SQ.
Management will decide Dubai is now first world and Expat conditions need no longer be offered. They are already experimenting a bit with flydubai.
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From: europe
I have seen one of their contract and yes.. it is permanent but permanently F/O.
The contract has around 8 parts. You can give me the point from 1 to 8 where you found that there will be no upgrade for FOs.
Thanks!
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HI. I just got called for an interview in DXB for F/O on Airbus fleet. 11000 TT, 5500 h on A320 and B737 above 55 t as PIC. How long is the wait list for an upgrade in EK? Or should I stay flying A320 as PIC now?
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The other is located in a sandy glass sauna. How many beers/lunches have you had out with your friends this month.
Management will decide Dubai is now first world and Expat conditions need no longer be offered.
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