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Old 21st Apr 2013, 03:12
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I care, I care deeply, it's just I keep getting distracted by the rain! 4 nights out of 7 this last week and we've had rain, is this a top floor conspiracy to keep us distracted?
It's working...
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Old 21st Apr 2013, 06:49
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I hope you guys don't believe the PR that the airline actually makes money! Emirates group is a very different animal to Emirates airline.
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Old 22nd Apr 2013, 08:38
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Thanks for your rather strange post Wet (an apt handle BTW undoubtedly decribing both your personality and handhake).

For the record I actually agree that it is likely that Airbus are indeed offering 'sweetners and incentives' to encourage EK and others to buy the A380. Just as Boeing are likely to be offering the same for the pile of poo that is the B787....

However, only the termanally stupid would call someone dumb that was rebuffing- with logic - the assertion that EK has recieved its A380 fleet flor 'next to nothing' and has yet received compensation for the same!

If you do indeed believe Dropps post to be factual and accurate then I truly pity you and encourage you to regroup and have a long hard look at whether this is a sensible assumption for a person with an IQ greater than 3.

I suspect though, that having re-read Dropps post and then my rebbutal that you do actually agree with me - the sad thing is though I very much doubt you will admit that.

In conclusion then my moist little friend, I can only assume that for whatever reason, you wish to pick a fight? I therefore graciously accept your proposal..... My only request is that we do it through private message as I feel it would be unfair on our PPRuNe colleagues to have to trudge through it all.
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Old 22nd Apr 2013, 13:41
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I am glad we do have a new moderator here in O....... (I have no clue as to what that name is or should suggest). But in fact it is common knowledge that Airbus has gone out of their way to make EK a very happy customer. Missed the announcement on our "ordering" the A319s being put into, how shall we say, service.

Just want to run this post by you there Capt. O. Hope it's ok.
Miss SI's (aka, Mensaboy) rants here. I hope our new mod. didn't scare him off. We should all be aware that there are some who are just a bit closer to the center of the universe than the rest of us minions. We should be humbled and know our places.

Still no word on the Cher. Insert the sound of crickets here.

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Old 22nd Apr 2013, 18:40
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Today's news from the horse racing world might not help general goodwill
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Old 22nd Apr 2013, 21:26
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Profit Share Bonus and Salary - An Unhappy Evolution

The terms Profit Share and Bonus seem to be poorly understood and randomly interchanged.

Profit Share simply does not happen here anymore. It once did in one context of the word but was latterly distorted as a means to incentivize the decision makers. There is no possible interpretation of “sharing” in the way it is both decided and distributed. “Profit Allocation” might be more correct.

Bonuses however are given despite alleged “Profit Sharing”. These are contrived in various ways but applicable only to the loftier title holders.

The Bonus culture here is not dissimilar to the bonus culture that almost brought the world’s financial system to a complete meltdown. By this I mean that individual decision makers are driven to make decisions and take risks that enhance their year by year bonus at the expense of caution with regard to what their actions may result in for the company, particularly in the longer term which is generally of more interest to some stakeholders who often have their whole family dependent on these decisions for this much longer period. I assume because the myopic mid level decision makers anticipate having their bonus safely banked outside the country by the time the consequences become apparent.

The shorter term is covered by various methods of devolving responsibility or putting in place methods of deniability. There are many examples of this ranging from FRMS to a plethora of publications distributed electronically that allow the publishers to claim that advice and instruction was adequately given.

However, I believe that in covering their own particular area they fail to appreciate the others who are covering theirs with the result that the sheer volume received would be argued by any competent lawyer as inadequate, at times contradictory, and too prolific for anyone to reasonably absorb. Furthermore issues as to what is absolutely required, how that is differentiated from the deluge of information and the time allocated to dealing with this and the many other requirements of the organization is vague to say the least.

Like many corporations the focus is solely on profits and the managers are so indoctrinated that their mantra and behavior is entirely absorbed by this. The other issues that should also be core to any corporation like stakeholder concerns and external perception are being obscured. Ultimately this neglect has to come home to roost. Hence the word corporation now has a sinister connotation. It was never meant to be this way, rather a collaboration of people and skills brought together for the greater good of all.

In the pursuit of the greater profit, limits are continually pushed and often unreasonably so. Sadly one area of stretched limits is often not known or accounted for by those seeking to extend another limit. This results in all areas approaching limits. An analogy in the technical area of the industry would be “coffin corner”, a confluence of limits that is aptly named. I wonder if the powers that be have considered where they may be with the company as a whole, despite making cases and justifying the individual areas where they have whittled away to the narrowest of margins and used limits as targets.

For a company focused on data and obsessed with statistics they are very selective as to the data and statistics that they collect. It is seldom objective rather more in line with a desire to justify or support a point of view, often with the thinly veiled intention of pandering to the bonus culture. Pure logical reasoning and the lack of adequate response to queries shows the statistics, the methodology of collection and the conclusions drawn, to be flawed and definitely not up for debate. There are so many examples of this that illustration would require a thesis.

Profit share or Bonus, whatever you prefer to call these two animals will be whatever is decided by those who govern most aspects of your life. Nonetheless don’t search for rhyme, reason or any measure of fair play. That is a fool’s errand.

Perhaps more relevant will be the salary review. Data shows that here Real Salaries, in effect their purchase power, have continually diminished for the past decade and a half. A year by year analysis of the increases on the salary scale which has 30 steps shows that at any chosen step the salary has fallen well behind the published inflation and the cost of various basic commodities. An illustration would be the price of oil which has quadrupled over the time in question whereas any particular step has not even doubled. It’s poignant as the price of oil reflects in many areas and is often cited to us by our leaders as a major cause of concern! As if we need reminding!

I just wish they had been as concerned about this effect on us, as they were about its effect on the business. At least acknowledgement would be respected. Clearly the stakeholder is worth much less than the shareholder and is almost resented by the bonus seeker. QED.
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Old 23rd Apr 2013, 13:59
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Statistics

For a company focused on data and obsessed with statistics they are very selective as to the data and statistics that they collect. It is seldom objective rather more in line with a desire to justify or support a point of view, often with the thinly veiled intention of pandering to the bonus culture. Pure logical reasoning and the lack of adequate response to queries shows the statistics, the methodology of collection and the conclusions drawn, to be flawed and definitely not up for debate. There are so many examples of this that illustration would require a thesis.
Just remember:
There are Three kinds of lies.

"There are lies
Damn lies
And Statistics!"

British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli

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Old 23rd Apr 2013, 16:41
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@ Pixy:



Sure a hell of a lot better than the bile that Obblepoop or whatever his name is spews.
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Old 23rd Apr 2013, 17:24
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Originally Posted by nolimitholdem
Sure a hell of a lot better than the bile that Obblepoop or whatever his name is spews.
And you don't post sh1te either???? Along with your buddy dropp
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Old 23rd Apr 2013, 20:06
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Originally Posted by dropp the pilot
unreliable as an A380
And on what basis do you come up with this little gem?
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Old 23rd Apr 2013, 23:06
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*yawn*

White Knight, silly keniggit, defender of the EK realm. Hope the "bonus" is worth it.
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Old 24th Apr 2013, 04:56
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@Pixy,

Your post is a breath of fresh air here on PPRuNe. Well written, logical and credible.

Your points apply to MANY corporations/companies/organisations today.

Well written Sir..!
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Old 24th Apr 2013, 08:09
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It's all smoke and mirrors.

This year it will be more smoke than mirrors

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Old 24th Apr 2013, 13:35
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Reading these forums it never ceases to amaze. Many of you guys complain and bash the "incompetent" managment in the UAE. Did you guys ever stop to to think that without these "incompetents" running these "third rate" airlines, most of you would have no jobs flying state of the art airliners, and living in quite comfortable villas, earning more money than the majority of the pilots in the world. Think about it, life could be a lot worse, and for most pilots in the world it is.
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Old 24th Apr 2013, 18:54
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In God we Thrust; Rest We Accept Cash

After Qantas stabilises its A380 Flight service into Dubai, code share, alliance or whatever its being christened as, EK will loose out on revenues; and that's going to affect the Profit Share this Year.

Besides, someone needs to pay the fuel bill for the flyby in down-under; and looks like its us(!)
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Old 24th Apr 2013, 21:11
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its awfully quiet...
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Old 25th Apr 2013, 02:14
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Bonus.....? Its that bloody notebook left in my dropbox, mark my words....!!!
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Old 25th Apr 2013, 03:59
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No news is good news.............or bad
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Old 25th Apr 2013, 04:06
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Looking through old PPRuNe posts it looks like the announcements of the announcements were usually done early May... So I agree, so far no news = potentially good news
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Old 25th Apr 2013, 05:08
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Smiffy did we all get a note book or do we have to share yours?

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