Qatar Airways Be Warned
Qatar Airways Be Warned
This would have to be the most bizarre of interviews.
So political did the recruitment procedure become it is rumoured the manager of flight operations was sacked or resigned.
All involved in Qatar interviews vowed to post the woeful events on Pprune.
Many successful candidates will not take up the positions.It wasn't just the threat of sacking if you forget to wear a hat,or Doha,or the woeful pay and conditions.More to follow.
Beware of Qatar Airways!
So political did the recruitment procedure become it is rumoured the manager of flight operations was sacked or resigned.
All involved in Qatar interviews vowed to post the woeful events on Pprune.
Many successful candidates will not take up the positions.It wasn't just the threat of sacking if you forget to wear a hat,or Doha,or the woeful pay and conditions.More to follow.
Beware of Qatar Airways!
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Karunch - nice one
Mind you did do a few posts advising people of the situation down their BEWARE OF THE FLYING GOAT.
should read other threads on it. its amazing what goes on in that company hear that the CAA are looking into them not before time. Illegal goings on in rostering like give you days off down route 2 weeks after you've been to Munich etc. Very interested to hear wat they will think of them.
Safe and happy flying but not at QR
Mind you did do a few posts advising people of the situation down their BEWARE OF THE FLYING GOAT.
should read other threads on it. its amazing what goes on in that company hear that the CAA are looking into them not before time. Illegal goings on in rostering like give you days off down route 2 weeks after you've been to Munich etc. Very interested to hear wat they will think of them.
Safe and happy flying but not at QR
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Karunch, very interesting but not surprising, just how in much $US are they paying? I have heard nothing but horror stories coming out of this place. Definately not a destination to pencil in for the next holidays. Any company that cannot divulge the pay and conditions up front are not worth wasting your time on. Hell Holes like this should be paying big bucks to get you in the door. Maybe it is time for a career change if aviation has come to this. I hear the local OZ backpackers is paying more than this for mini van drivers.
All the best
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Yes, Karunch, I think you have it completely nailed! It seems that all the check captains that were there in the last two weeks for interview have turned the job down because of the terrible conditions ( they were given job offers the moment they stepped out of the simulator). And you are right. It is not just the conditions but also the spectre of working for someone (the poisoned dwarf) who has the power to kick you out of the country with 24 hours notice for making a remark or not wearing your hat!
Qatar Airways is about to completely fall on their faces during the upcoming expansion as they will not be able to get quality people. Anyone can run an airline with 12 planes but they want to double their fleet in the next 2-3 years. They are about to die if they don't change things quickly! The way I see it is that you have to be completely desperate to want to work there right now. Some of the guys that turned the offer down did not even have jobs. That goes to show what a pathetic choice Qatar Airways is to a lot of people.
The really sad part is that there was an individual that was trying to turn the company around. He had outstanding qualifications and was the man to do it. I don't know but it looks like he is leaving from what I hear. Oh well, there goes the last ray of hope!
Qatar Airways is about to completely fall on their faces during the upcoming expansion as they will not be able to get quality people. Anyone can run an airline with 12 planes but they want to double their fleet in the next 2-3 years. They are about to die if they don't change things quickly! The way I see it is that you have to be completely desperate to want to work there right now. Some of the guys that turned the offer down did not even have jobs. That goes to show what a pathetic choice Qatar Airways is to a lot of people.
The really sad part is that there was an individual that was trying to turn the company around. He had outstanding qualifications and was the man to do it. I don't know but it looks like he is leaving from what I hear. Oh well, there goes the last ray of hope!
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What I heard is different. I understand that the check pilot candidates were given a flying exercise that consisted of a none published holding over a fix followed by a full procedure NDB approach manually flown with birds off /FMGCs off /Auto trust off. The company checks airman demonstrated the task himself before the ride and then asked the candidate to do the same.
Almost none were able to complete the task within the reasonable tolerance required by the Flt.Ops. I hear the same exercise is followed on the Sim. Ride with Gulf Air.
Almost none were able to complete the task within the reasonable tolerance required by the Flt.Ops. I hear the same exercise is followed on the Sim. Ride with Gulf Air.
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well guys,
like gulfcrew, we are on the other side of the door!
but we both worked for them for a long time as supervisors and know the crap that goes on !
i gave some general infor to some guys going for the interview and to be honest, i am happy that there are crew turning it down...
be cool, be safe, and beware of QR!!!
if the gmfo has quit..well, i am so sorry...he was a gentleman who tried his best...
like gulfcrew, we are on the other side of the door!
but we both worked for them for a long time as supervisors and know the crap that goes on !
i gave some general infor to some guys going for the interview and to be honest, i am happy that there are crew turning it down...
be cool, be safe, and beware of QR!!!
if the gmfo has quit..well, i am so sorry...he was a gentleman who tried his best...
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Doha.......aahhh the memories!
The mention of "snackbar the baker" (alias P.D.) makes me wonder if the snackbar menu has improved in the GF sim?
The choice of sandwiches used to be "chis or yegg"
The mention of "snackbar the baker" (alias P.D.) makes me wonder if the snackbar menu has improved in the GF sim?
The choice of sandwiches used to be "chis or yegg"
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Loopy,
You sound like a PR department of an embarrassed airline."Face Saving" comes to mind.I know Qatar airlines is concerned about the adverse publicity they may get because I was told so!Positions offered will not be taken up by some.This is a concern for an airline that has had difficulty attracting pilots in good times and now faces knock backs from pilots unemployed.
The Sim exercise was not at all demonstrated by local airmen from the A320.The A320 is a beautiful aircraft on raw data and manual thrust,so I question your information regarding an inability of candidates to demonstrate the straight forward exercise mentioned.
The raw data exercise went along the lines as follows:raw data t/o,manual thrust,engine failure and ILS return or non-precision.Missed approach,flaps locked,return ILS with APU fire on finals with an emergency evacuation on landing.Busy yes,useful evaluation?
Pilots should be able to demonstrate raw data skills.The management of an A320`s systems and automation in the face of abnormal/emergency situations is I feel,more pertinent.Mode confusion is more of a risk or problem in this region than an irrelevant raw data exercise.Coupled with the admitted CRM problems of Qatar and you have a potential cocktail/Gulf Air.
The information we got from very nervous serving Qatar pilots was that there was a civil war going on.These gentleman were very apologetic and indicated there was two recruitment lists.One from the English and one from the local flt ops hierachy.Indications were of a senior resignation or sacking last week.
The two lists does explain why some candidates had flight directors,auto thrust and a basic base check exercise.Some candidates didn`t have to complete the exam and some were permitted do answer "don`t know" to recalls.
Good luck to all and I hope others(as promised) publish their experiences with a very unusual airline.
You sound like a PR department of an embarrassed airline."Face Saving" comes to mind.I know Qatar airlines is concerned about the adverse publicity they may get because I was told so!Positions offered will not be taken up by some.This is a concern for an airline that has had difficulty attracting pilots in good times and now faces knock backs from pilots unemployed.
The Sim exercise was not at all demonstrated by local airmen from the A320.The A320 is a beautiful aircraft on raw data and manual thrust,so I question your information regarding an inability of candidates to demonstrate the straight forward exercise mentioned.
The raw data exercise went along the lines as follows:raw data t/o,manual thrust,engine failure and ILS return or non-precision.Missed approach,flaps locked,return ILS with APU fire on finals with an emergency evacuation on landing.Busy yes,useful evaluation?
Pilots should be able to demonstrate raw data skills.The management of an A320`s systems and automation in the face of abnormal/emergency situations is I feel,more pertinent.Mode confusion is more of a risk or problem in this region than an irrelevant raw data exercise.Coupled with the admitted CRM problems of Qatar and you have a potential cocktail/Gulf Air.
The information we got from very nervous serving Qatar pilots was that there was a civil war going on.These gentleman were very apologetic and indicated there was two recruitment lists.One from the English and one from the local flt ops hierachy.Indications were of a senior resignation or sacking last week.
The two lists does explain why some candidates had flight directors,auto thrust and a basic base check exercise.Some candidates didn`t have to complete the exam and some were permitted do answer "don`t know" to recalls.
Good luck to all and I hope others(as promised) publish their experiences with a very unusual airline.
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It may be of interest for those guys going for the QATAR interview that Emirates have a no poaching policy with QATAR airways and visa versa.
Though I don't think many pilots from Emirates will be too worried about it.
Though I don't think many pilots from Emirates will be too worried about it.
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Well, I work with the simulator on the daily basis, so my source of information can not be that off.
Your Statement “Pilots should be able to demonstrate raw data skills. The management of an A320`s systems and automation in the face of abnormal/emergency situations is I feel, more pertinent. Mode confusion is more of a risk or problem in this region than an irrelevant raw data exercise. Coupled with the admitted CRM problems of Qatar and you have a potential cocktail/Gulf Air”
Very true. Lack of local skills with automation had created the necessity on operating the A/C on Raw data and in doing so it makes it very relevant and practical here, some thing that the locals are very fond of. That is why the Check pilot candidates are required to demonstrate that skill so they can preach it down the line; Something that our “English speaking Gents are not so good at.
And on that “You sound like a PR department of an embarrassed airline."Face Saving" comes to mind”
Please **** off
Well, I work with the simulator on the daily basis, so my source of information can not be that off.
Your Statement “Pilots should be able to demonstrate raw data skills. The management of an A320`s systems and automation in the face of abnormal/emergency situations is I feel, more pertinent. Mode confusion is more of a risk or problem in this region than an irrelevant raw data exercise. Coupled with the admitted CRM problems of Qatar and you have a potential cocktail/Gulf Air”
Very true. Lack of local skills with automation had created the necessity on operating the A/C on Raw data and in doing so it makes it very relevant and practical here, some thing that the locals are very fond of. That is why the Check pilot candidates are required to demonstrate that skill so they can preach it down the line; Something that our “English speaking Gents are not so good at.
And on that “You sound like a PR department of an embarrassed airline."Face Saving" comes to mind”
Please **** off
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MTQatar, your words of support for the dwarf may do you good (see brown nosing) but they are very far from the truth. The short guy knows nothing about management, you cannot rule professionals with an iron fist, you cannot rule through fear. Maybe it works with his houseboy (no disrespect to the houseboy) but not with a professional body of pilots and crew.
On many occasions I've seen him drive his BMW like a total moron on the ramp with no sence of safety or respect for people and equipment and act like a 3 year old taking tugs from other airlines so some QR320 can push back. If he did this in any other country he would end up in jail.
MTQatar the only thing this dwarf has achieved is give QR a bad name. One day you'll realize this but most likely it will be far too late.
On many occasions I've seen him drive his BMW like a total moron on the ramp with no sence of safety or respect for people and equipment and act like a 3 year old taking tugs from other airlines so some QR320 can push back. If he did this in any other country he would end up in jail.
MTQatar the only thing this dwarf has achieved is give QR a bad name. One day you'll realize this but most likely it will be far too late.
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Loopy,
Don`t understand.Please clarify as you may have an insight into the culture of Qatar Airways.
Mode Confusion on Airbus 320 aircraft,with a reliance to correct with the disconnection of the automation and an inherent lack of CRM skills,is a cocktail for disaster.
When does an A320 have no auto thrust and no flight directors(including the bird) and flying in normal law?
Good fundamental skills raw data.The real challenge with this aeroplane is the successful management of all your assets(including the f/o) ensuring a higher margin of safety in an abnormal situation.
Mode confusion has resulted in four A320 hull losses!I won`t get into your racial slur regarding "english speaking gentleman".
French,French,Indian and Arabic.
Don`t understand.Please clarify as you may have an insight into the culture of Qatar Airways.
Mode Confusion on Airbus 320 aircraft,with a reliance to correct with the disconnection of the automation and an inherent lack of CRM skills,is a cocktail for disaster.
When does an A320 have no auto thrust and no flight directors(including the bird) and flying in normal law?
Good fundamental skills raw data.The real challenge with this aeroplane is the successful management of all your assets(including the f/o) ensuring a higher margin of safety in an abnormal situation.
Mode confusion has resulted in four A320 hull losses!I won`t get into your racial slur regarding "english speaking gentleman".
French,French,Indian and Arabic.
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Dear Gentelmen,
I have been always scrolling through pprune pages to find out info about QR and I'd have to say that the impression I am getting is as far as positive as it can get.
I am on the point of leaving my current European employer to join QR as F/O on the 320.
But the more I read about the company, the more concerned I get.
As far as I know the roster is survivable and days off are never contaminated.
The money they offer are about twice as much as I get in my low cost airline in Europe although I know the cost of life in Doha is somewhat higher.
It also seems like that if you do your job and do it professionally you'll have no problems and you can enjoy the very basic expats life Doha can offer.
It also seems like they do follow a seniority list for upgrades and looking at the expansion plans they have in mind, command will happen quickly.
I kindly ask you to give me some reasons for which I should go or I should stick to my current job and enjoy life in Europe.
Feel free to e-mail me for any more personal advise at [email protected]
I need help.
Any comments are more than welcome.
Cheers
I have been always scrolling through pprune pages to find out info about QR and I'd have to say that the impression I am getting is as far as positive as it can get.
I am on the point of leaving my current European employer to join QR as F/O on the 320.
But the more I read about the company, the more concerned I get.
As far as I know the roster is survivable and days off are never contaminated.
The money they offer are about twice as much as I get in my low cost airline in Europe although I know the cost of life in Doha is somewhat higher.
It also seems like that if you do your job and do it professionally you'll have no problems and you can enjoy the very basic expats life Doha can offer.
It also seems like they do follow a seniority list for upgrades and looking at the expansion plans they have in mind, command will happen quickly.
I kindly ask you to give me some reasons for which I should go or I should stick to my current job and enjoy life in Europe.
Feel free to e-mail me for any more personal advise at [email protected]
I need help.
Any comments are more than welcome.
Cheers
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Bugs do yourself a favour mate, come to Gulf Air we'll be taking at least 35 F/o's on A320. Bahrain and more importantly the Company much better than QR anyday. Money in GF same as QR and much much more friendly environment.
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MTQatar,
You said
Well........seem to recall there was a M****n T****i who DID work for the company.
Nah.......probably just a coincidence that you two have the same initials.
Anyway, if (as you claim), you are:
then you would be best advised to CAREFULLY read what some of the posts say, and NOT comment! 
P.S. A340Driver...........loved the "brown nose" comment amigo! It was absolutely SPOT-ON for my money
You said
I never worked for Qatar Airways and I never met the "poisoned dwarf" man himself
Nah.......probably just a coincidence that you two have the same initials.
Anyway, if (as you claim), you are:
in no position to comment on what happens behind the scenes because I never worked for the airline
P.S. A340Driver...........loved the "brown nose" comment amigo! It was absolutely SPOT-ON for my money
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Bugs, I think Fubaar is saying that they deserve each other. Poetic justice, some of those 'individuals' ending up in a place like Qatar... I hope the young AN guys have the sense to look elsewhere.