Qatar Airways Be Warned
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Whilst your viewpoint on this subject isn't in agreement with a lot of other folk, I applaud your honesty & frankness - this is a good debate, let's keep it that way please folks.
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Whilst your viewpoint on this subject isn't in agreement with a lot of other folk, I applaud your honesty & frankness - this is a good debate, let's keep it that way please folks.
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MTQatar if this is the case I see absolutely no need for you to "brown nose" the Dwarf, in fact very much vice versa
However I do insist that his only real achievement is to give QR a bad name. It seems QR have lost even good local guys because of his rantings, and trust me I know a few of them personally. His style of management will be effective in the short term but will deter the higher calliber individuals who are looking for a professional attitude and not a dictatorial regime.
From my humble experience in aviation till now I must say that usually the managers that make the most noise and threats are the one's that are hiding their true inabilities to manage and lead a team of professionals. Respect is not a given, it is earned even on the manager - employee level.
As a captain I show respect to my crew and with my attitude and professional conduct strive to earn their respect. That way onboard we function like a great team. My four bars don't entitle me automatically to be respected.
However I do insist that his only real achievement is to give QR a bad name. It seems QR have lost even good local guys because of his rantings, and trust me I know a few of them personally. His style of management will be effective in the short term but will deter the higher calliber individuals who are looking for a professional attitude and not a dictatorial regime.
From my humble experience in aviation till now I must say that usually the managers that make the most noise and threats are the one's that are hiding their true inabilities to manage and lead a team of professionals. Respect is not a given, it is earned even on the manager - employee level.
As a captain I show respect to my crew and with my attitude and professional conduct strive to earn their respect. That way onboard we function like a great team. My four bars don't entitle me automatically to be respected.
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MTQatar,
You are obviously a heavy investor in Qatar Airways.
Last years incident with Gulf would be terrible for business.
Have the lessons been learnt with CRM and good 21st century training?
Or has the easy path been taken?A sixties era flt deck culture with an autocratic flt department.
You are obviously a heavy investor in Qatar Airways.
Last years incident with Gulf would be terrible for business.
Have the lessons been learnt with CRM and good 21st century training?
Or has the easy path been taken?A sixties era flt deck culture with an autocratic flt department.
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MTQatar "brown nosing" means "kissing ass". Usually happens in the airline management buisness. Individuals "brown nose" their managers, managers "brown nose" their VP's and so on. Brown nosing is the best form of career advancement for individuals with less skills.
Brown nosing is also related to social status, therefore the higher up you are in the social ladder the more "brown nosers" you have around you.
Therefore my statement of
MTQatar if this is the case I see absolutely no need for you to "brown nose" the Dwarf, in fact very much vice versa means that due to your social status it is the Dwarf that should "brown nose" you.
Anyhow back to a more serious note, at this stage of QR's growth it is difficult to assess the Company performance as any profits (and in general cash flow) are pumped back in, in the form of expansion. The difficulty lies in how much expansion. The formula must be such that the expansion does not exceed market demand.
Load factors in airlines are a strange thing. Cathay Pacific, for example prior to Sept 11th had load factors of about 78% and were making millions, after Sept11th they droped to 70% and they were loosing millions. This is a high cost game.
The US is a great indicator of the global airline market, history shows that airlines that expanded too quickly were soon into chapter 11 protection.
As the great Richard Branson said once when asked by a reporter "How does one become a millionaire?" he repilied "Easy you become a billionaire and open an airline"
Brown nosing is also related to social status, therefore the higher up you are in the social ladder the more "brown nosers" you have around you.
Therefore my statement of
MTQatar if this is the case I see absolutely no need for you to "brown nose" the Dwarf, in fact very much vice versa means that due to your social status it is the Dwarf that should "brown nose" you.
Anyhow back to a more serious note, at this stage of QR's growth it is difficult to assess the Company performance as any profits (and in general cash flow) are pumped back in, in the form of expansion. The difficulty lies in how much expansion. The formula must be such that the expansion does not exceed market demand.
Load factors in airlines are a strange thing. Cathay Pacific, for example prior to Sept 11th had load factors of about 78% and were making millions, after Sept11th they droped to 70% and they were loosing millions. This is a high cost game.
The US is a great indicator of the global airline market, history shows that airlines that expanded too quickly were soon into chapter 11 protection.
As the great Richard Branson said once when asked by a reporter "How does one become a millionaire?" he repilied "Easy you become a billionaire and open an airline"
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All very interesting reading!
Interesting stories of people refusing offers of employment. I get the feeling that those pilots that are eligible to apply to QR will overlook them in favour of EK or even GF to a smaller extent. Can QR continue on its 'type rated' policy or will they ever open the market to non Airbus pilots as well?
Ultimately I see QR will attract pilots who want the ex-pat lifestyle but don't have enough experience to merit an application to EK and then as the hours increase the online application will be sent off to Dubai???
With so many seats to fill and the rather cautious approach being displayed by some fellow PPRuNers, can QR continue as they are?
Bugs Bunny took the words out of my mouth from an earlier posting of his. I am sure QR is a good place to work providing you don't rock the boat and do your job and do it professionally. Qatar is tax free (which speaks volumes compared to some European countries) and their F/O salary is one that few western airlines will be able to beat. Finally they seem to be profitable at the moment which is an achievement in itself in the post 9/11 era that we are in. The order book is quite full and command opportunities must be something that can't be overlooked.
I am not trying to disagree with previous posts. I personally feel that for the pilot that has youth on his side, you could do worse than QR considering their expansion planed and the wealth of opportunities that will potentially arise.
MG
Interesting stories of people refusing offers of employment. I get the feeling that those pilots that are eligible to apply to QR will overlook them in favour of EK or even GF to a smaller extent. Can QR continue on its 'type rated' policy or will they ever open the market to non Airbus pilots as well?
Ultimately I see QR will attract pilots who want the ex-pat lifestyle but don't have enough experience to merit an application to EK and then as the hours increase the online application will be sent off to Dubai???
With so many seats to fill and the rather cautious approach being displayed by some fellow PPRuNers, can QR continue as they are?
Bugs Bunny took the words out of my mouth from an earlier posting of his. I am sure QR is a good place to work providing you don't rock the boat and do your job and do it professionally. Qatar is tax free (which speaks volumes compared to some European countries) and their F/O salary is one that few western airlines will be able to beat. Finally they seem to be profitable at the moment which is an achievement in itself in the post 9/11 era that we are in. The order book is quite full and command opportunities must be something that can't be overlooked.
I am not trying to disagree with previous posts. I personally feel that for the pilot that has youth on his side, you could do worse than QR considering their expansion planed and the wealth of opportunities that will potentially arise.
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Be careful if you decide to go especially if Capt Dave Fleming has left. They are unable to get pilots or TRI/TRE's to join them. They are having difficulty in getting volunteers to promote. Why, in an airline that is doubling its fleet in the next few years?
Ask why the ones already there resigned from the office. The Baker gave one TRI 24 hrs to get out of the country because he upset a Qatari pilot whilst trying to teach him about their new performance. The Qatari was continually moaning and disrupting the class and when the instructor tried to silence him, (so he could get on with the training) he left the classroom and went to see the baker. There was no enquiry or interview only a fax from the tower saying "be out of the country within 24 hours". The Q pilot denied he had spoken to Baker when he was confronted.
Their are some very good Qataris but also, some, you really have to watch out for.
The expats are a good bunch of lads but try to keep their head down in case it is shot off. The lifestyle is good and the roster isn't bad. Apart from Peshewar & Katmandhu the flying is relatively easy on the A320 fleet. Money is around £5000 per month but a good house furnished will cost upwards of £1200 per month. Tel and internet are quite expensive, but petrol ischeap. 15p per litre.
I am not saying do not go just be careful if you do. I would advise anybody not to get too committed financially because leaving the country within 1 week is quite normal if you get on the wrong side of the wrong guy. (That applies to both within and without the aviation industry.)
Also try to get a yearly multiple exit visa or they will not let you out when you decide you want to go. To obtain a single exit visa you will have to go around the different departments and collect 3-4 signatures.
Anybody wanting info I would be glad to help and will give an impartial view. Just e mail me.
All the best to those who will try.
Ask why the ones already there resigned from the office. The Baker gave one TRI 24 hrs to get out of the country because he upset a Qatari pilot whilst trying to teach him about their new performance. The Qatari was continually moaning and disrupting the class and when the instructor tried to silence him, (so he could get on with the training) he left the classroom and went to see the baker. There was no enquiry or interview only a fax from the tower saying "be out of the country within 24 hours". The Q pilot denied he had spoken to Baker when he was confronted.
Their are some very good Qataris but also, some, you really have to watch out for.
The expats are a good bunch of lads but try to keep their head down in case it is shot off. The lifestyle is good and the roster isn't bad. Apart from Peshewar & Katmandhu the flying is relatively easy on the A320 fleet. Money is around £5000 per month but a good house furnished will cost upwards of £1200 per month. Tel and internet are quite expensive, but petrol ischeap. 15p per litre.
I am not saying do not go just be careful if you do. I would advise anybody not to get too committed financially because leaving the country within 1 week is quite normal if you get on the wrong side of the wrong guy. (That applies to both within and without the aviation industry.)
Also try to get a yearly multiple exit visa or they will not let you out when you decide you want to go. To obtain a single exit visa you will have to go around the different departments and collect 3-4 signatures.
Anybody wanting info I would be glad to help and will give an impartial view. Just e mail me.
All the best to those who will try.
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Can't send you an email as you have blocked this feature.
Please can you email me "[email protected]". I am a British LAE considering a job with QA but can get no information on what they are like to work for, what terms & conditions are like etc.
I see from the piot side there are many problems but what about the maint side? Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Can't send you an email as you have blocked this feature.
Please can you email me "[email protected]". I am a British LAE considering a job with QA but can get no information on what they are like to work for, what terms & conditions are like etc.
I see from the piot side there are many problems but what about the maint side? Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Re the training system at Qatari: I am a little concerned that a pilot who was one of my F/O's only two years ago on the A320 and no Command time on type to that time is now a Training Captain at Qatari. To my knowledge he had no previous instructional experience of any nature. Reasonaply good pilot I thought but a Training captain ??????
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Eh where did MTQatar and his posts go to 
I am not paranoid as such but he claimed to be an Al Thani and now has dissapeared as well as all his posts.
Have the Qatari Secret Police got access to Pprune then
I am not paranoid as such but he claimed to be an Al Thani and now has dissapeared as well as all his posts.
Have the Qatari Secret Police got access to Pprune then
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I am here
Sirwa69,
I am here, I check the forums for something interesting from time to time. I will only reply to posts where I think I might be usefull. But I guess you should get your info on QR from the experts "Taba", "Gulf-Crew" and "A340Driver" who seem to know everything about QR, they will be more of use to you than I am.
I deleted my posts because I saw no use for them in this disscussions. I also made a huge mistake by saying my name.
I am here, I check the forums for something interesting from time to time. I will only reply to posts where I think I might be usefull. But I guess you should get your info on QR from the experts "Taba", "Gulf-Crew" and "A340Driver" who seem to know everything about QR, they will be more of use to you than I am.
I deleted my posts because I saw no use for them in this disscussions. I also made a huge mistake by saying my name.
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Qatar secret police?Fascinating,threat of coup d`etat due unequal distribution of wealth?
Could someone enlighten as to the situation in Qatar.Have friends moving their families there.
The odd thing that I found was the huge American presence(F16s target Iraq) in contrast to AlQaeda telivision and Qatar Airways boasting its` soon expansion into Iraq.
Is Qatar a powderkeg?
The extremes of the West and Islam seem to be face to face.
Would other PPruners move their families there?
Could someone enlighten as to the situation in Qatar.Have friends moving their families there.
The odd thing that I found was the huge American presence(F16s target Iraq) in contrast to AlQaeda telivision and Qatar Airways boasting its` soon expansion into Iraq.
Is Qatar a powderkeg?
The extremes of the West and Islam seem to be face to face.
Would other PPruners move their families there?
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Hi MT...
Since the 9-11 event, where do you think a safe place is???
Doha can a nice place to leave with family, and hope for the best!
Cheers.
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Flying is not dangerous.......CRASHING is.
Since the 9-11 event, where do you think a safe place is???
Doha can a nice place to leave with family, and hope for the best!
Cheers.
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Flying is not dangerous.......CRASHING is.
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MT Edelstone56
Sirwa69 was either being sarcastic or ignorant regarding Qatar. There is no secret police here, and no there is no threat of a coupe d'etat. Qatar, politically is the most stable of the Gulf states.
Yes there is a huge American presence here but AFAIK the aircraft here have only been carrying supplies to and from Afghanistan as well as other regions. What Al-Qaeda TV are you talking about? I assume you are talking about Al-Jazeera which has nothing to do with Afghanistan or Al-Qaeda. Do you remember during the Gulf War when CNN was accussed of being with the Iraqis. Just because Al-Jazeera had the best coverage in Afghanistan doesn't mean they work for Al-Qaeda.
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I can gaurantee that your friends' families will be very safe here in Qatar. Doha, is a nice place especially if you have children. There is plenty to do, I know lonely planet describes Qatar as the most boring place on earth but this is far from the truth. Every year Qatar changes to the better. If you came here 2 years ago and then visited again today you'd be in awe of all the changes that take place. Anyway if you want more info on life in Qatar, I am prepared to send you some printed material.
Qatar secret police?Fascinating,threat of coup d`etat due unequal distribution of wealth?
The odd thing that I found was the huge American presence(F16s target Iraq) in contrast to AlQaeda telivision and Qatar Airways boasting its`soon expansion into Iraq.
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I can gaurantee that your friends' families will be very safe here in Qatar. Doha, is a nice place especially if you have children. There is plenty to do, I know lonely planet describes Qatar as the most boring place on earth but this is far from the truth. Every year Qatar changes to the better. If you came here 2 years ago and then visited again today you'd be in awe of all the changes that take place. Anyway if you want more info on life in Qatar, I am prepared to send you some printed material.
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MTQatar,
I'm going for my interview as Training Captain on the A300 in less than two weeks, wondering if you have any good Qatari web sites or else for us to browse (schools, housing etc). I've found Qatar-info.com so far and it's a decent.
Wife and kids (aged 6 and 8) will join some time later.
Appreciated,
Sukran (my spelling ummh!!!???)
I'm going for my interview as Training Captain on the A300 in less than two weeks, wondering if you have any good Qatari web sites or else for us to browse (schools, housing etc). I've found Qatar-info.com so far and it's a decent.
Wife and kids (aged 6 and 8) will join some time later.
Appreciated,
Sukran (my spelling ummh!!!???)
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Ready,
Like I have mentioned a few times already, only go to Qatar if you are truly desparate. As a 300 checker, an F/O at Emirates will have a better package than you. Everything that Qatar is giving is pathetic. Especially if you have kids-don't expext to put anything in the bank at the end of the month. With a familly you will end up living paycheck to paycheck in the desert with almost no life cause you will not be able to afford any. If they paid a decent salary then it could be OK. But they DON'T. You have been warned!
Like I have mentioned a few times already, only go to Qatar if you are truly desparate. As a 300 checker, an F/O at Emirates will have a better package than you. Everything that Qatar is giving is pathetic. Especially if you have kids-don't expext to put anything in the bank at the end of the month. With a familly you will end up living paycheck to paycheck in the desert with almost no life cause you will not be able to afford any. If they paid a decent salary then it could be OK. But they DON'T. You have been warned!
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Ready,
This website has plenty of links that might be helpful.
http://www.hejleh.com/countries/qatar.html
For schooling you might want to try:
The best in terms of facilities, teachers etc.
Qatar Academy
Qatar International School
This is a good school with plenty of British children so your kids will feel right at home but they have bad facilities.
Doha English Speaking School
Montessori is also good but I can't find any links. And there is the American School of Doha which is also good but I also can't find the URL.
Avoid.
-Gulf English School
-English Modern School
For Housing I don't have much more info for know. I'll email you some more info later.
Regards,
MTQatar
This website has plenty of links that might be helpful.
http://www.hejleh.com/countries/qatar.html
For schooling you might want to try:
The best in terms of facilities, teachers etc.
Qatar Academy
Qatar International School
This is a good school with plenty of British children so your kids will feel right at home but they have bad facilities.
Doha English Speaking School
Montessori is also good but I can't find any links. And there is the American School of Doha which is also good but I also can't find the URL.
Avoid.
-Gulf English School
-English Modern School
For Housing I don't have much more info for know. I'll email you some more info later.
Regards,
MTQatar