JOB For begginer in Middle eAST
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Hi i hold a Canadian Cpl and a INDIAN CPLand hold 230 hours and A airbus 320 Type rating .just wanted to know are there any jobs available for pilots with low hours ... ...if so could anyone let me know how to go about it..any help would be really appreciated.
Pretty much none. Qatar take a few low timers as SOs, but most Gulf carriers have plenty of high-eperienced applicants to chose from.
As a Canadian CPL you would probably be better off trying to get some hours up in Canadian GA/regional flying. It will make you a better Pilot, and give you something to talk about in cruise in the coming years!!
As a Canadian CPL you would probably be better off trying to get some hours up in Canadian GA/regional flying. It will make you a better Pilot, and give you something to talk about in cruise in the coming years!!
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A Canadian license doesn't give one the right to live and work in Canada any more than buying an Aussie CPL allows one to move to Oz and take an Australians's job.
Yes, good call NLH, i was assuming he had residency, but probably not!!
ang- depends what you mean. Jetstar and Virgin Blue have in-house Cadet schemes, but they are competitive and restricted to Australian residents.
There ARE "Beginner" jobs in Australia- flying Cessnas and Pipers in the outback.
May I ask where you are from and what your expectations are? Who persuaded you to pay for an A320 rating with almost zero experience? What you have to realize is that places like Canada and Australia have a vast pool of experienced pilots flying GA and regional Airline jobs, and it usually takes a couple of thousand hours at least to land an Airline job. A percentage of the Pilots from those airlines then choose to come to places like Emirates.
SO, there is a long line and a long road ahead of you- and that should have been explained to you by whoever took your money for training!
ang- depends what you mean. Jetstar and Virgin Blue have in-house Cadet schemes, but they are competitive and restricted to Australian residents.
There ARE "Beginner" jobs in Australia- flying Cessnas and Pipers in the outback.
May I ask where you are from and what your expectations are? Who persuaded you to pay for an A320 rating with almost zero experience? What you have to realize is that places like Canada and Australia have a vast pool of experienced pilots flying GA and regional Airline jobs, and it usually takes a couple of thousand hours at least to land an Airline job. A percentage of the Pilots from those airlines then choose to come to places like Emirates.
SO, there is a long line and a long road ahead of you- and that should have been explained to you by whoever took your money for training!
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i know puting money in for an airbus rating was a bad idea but currently i am looking for any jobs ....that would help me build hours i would really glad to fly cessna sand pipers that is if i get an chance could u guide me to any such companies
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The airlines in India do normally hire low timers . But with 5/6 airlines running in losses growth has pretty much come to a stand still ( except IndiGo which is profitable and still growing but has an oversupply of pilots for the next 1-2 years ) leading to job losses at certain airlines and delayed salaries .
Not to mention the 300 experienced Kingfisher Pilots on the street also looking for jobs .
Add to the fact that there another 7000+ low time pilots also looking for jobs
Majority of the charter companies require you to pay for the rating and work for crap pay . One Citation operator was offering a pay of 300$ a month if they paid for the type rating . They know that supply is much greater than demand and hence take advantage of the situation .
Another one wanted 10,000$ for the cost of training as an FO on the Cessna Caravan . Pay offered was 1000$ a month .
The Indian DGCA requires each and every aircraft to specifically endorsed on the license irrespective of weight or type of engine .
Which means If I am qualified to fly a C172 I wont be qualified to fly the C152 unless I clear a written exam on type and undergo 10 hours on the actual aircraf type ( for aircraft below 5700KG / 12,500 pounds )
A few candidates have decided to self sponsor their type ratings without a job offer . While few made good the rating and found jobs . Majority dont have a job .
This has also resulted in certain airlines hiring only type rated candidates which screwed up the opportunity for the rest that dont have the money to risk a type rating without a job at end of the line
This also means certain airlines hire a 200 or 250 TT type rated zero time on type pilots rather than from a pool of experienced pilots from a certain airline ( that operates a different type ) have not been paid for 6 months and have been looking for jobs elsewhere .
Couple of new startups on the horizon ( if they actually start operations ) but not enough to absorb the even half the above number for a long time to come .
P.S : The kid with the rich daddy took the Citation job
The airlines in India do normally hire low timers . But with 5/6 airlines running in losses growth has pretty much come to a stand still ( except IndiGo which is profitable and still growing but has an oversupply of pilots for the next 1-2 years ) leading to job losses at certain airlines and delayed salaries .
Not to mention the 300 experienced Kingfisher Pilots on the street also looking for jobs .
Add to the fact that there another 7000+ low time pilots also looking for jobs
Majority of the charter companies require you to pay for the rating and work for crap pay . One Citation operator was offering a pay of 300$ a month if they paid for the type rating . They know that supply is much greater than demand and hence take advantage of the situation .
Another one wanted 10,000$ for the cost of training as an FO on the Cessna Caravan . Pay offered was 1000$ a month .
The Indian DGCA requires each and every aircraft to specifically endorsed on the license irrespective of weight or type of engine .
Which means If I am qualified to fly a C172 I wont be qualified to fly the C152 unless I clear a written exam on type and undergo 10 hours on the actual aircraf type ( for aircraft below 5700KG / 12,500 pounds )
A few candidates have decided to self sponsor their type ratings without a job offer . While few made good the rating and found jobs . Majority dont have a job .
This has also resulted in certain airlines hiring only type rated candidates which screwed up the opportunity for the rest that dont have the money to risk a type rating without a job at end of the line
This also means certain airlines hire a 200 or 250 TT type rated zero time on type pilots rather than from a pool of experienced pilots from a certain airline ( that operates a different type ) have not been paid for 6 months and have been looking for jobs elsewhere .
Couple of new startups on the horizon ( if they actually start operations ) but not enough to absorb the even half the above number for a long time to come .
P.S : The kid with the rich daddy took the Citation job
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I always knew that there would be more pilots than jobs......
Only in 2005 , 2006 , 2007 there were more jobs than the number of pilots available .
But what I underestimated was the number of people that would jump out and do type ratings themselves without having job offer at the end . Thats what screwed up the whole system to a certain extent .
This madness for type ratings only started in 2010 and has not stopped even when no one is recruiting . Not before.....
The only reason I have to blame would be the govt of India for creating a system that makes it difficult for airlines to make profits . The ridiculous taxes on ATF and the new increased airport charges and service taxes
To put that into perspective
An international airline refueling in Delhi would pay $1025 / Kilo Litre of ATF whereas an Indian Airline refueling would have to pay $1337 / KL
Is most of the cases its the unemployed pilots to blame themselves for creating a situation that makes it difficult for everyone else involved. They dont realise that when they undercut someone today to take the job , someday down the line someone else is going to do the same to them .
The new Civil Aviation Minister has taken some sort of action to the above discrepancy regarding fuel taxes but its going to be some time before its sorted out .
The population of India is nearly the same as China . If we were anywhere near china's aviation industry size then a lot of pilots would very easily find jobs
A senior pilot I met the other day told me that only 15-20% of the fresh pilots in the market are employable . This is because many of them got into the industry because of the high pay . Not because they had a passion to become a pilot or was into aviation for that matter .
I have seen doctors , lawyers , engineers and MBA graduates shift careers for the pay alone .
There is a silver lining or a light is there at the end of the tunnel . The industry has been growing in double digits with respect to passengers .
Somebody has to replace the capacity that KF removed from the market . Its either going to be KF or the new regional airlines or the existing ones will expand .
Only in 2005 , 2006 , 2007 there were more jobs than the number of pilots available .
But what I underestimated was the number of people that would jump out and do type ratings themselves without having job offer at the end . Thats what screwed up the whole system to a certain extent .
This madness for type ratings only started in 2010 and has not stopped even when no one is recruiting . Not before.....
The only reason I have to blame would be the govt of India for creating a system that makes it difficult for airlines to make profits . The ridiculous taxes on ATF and the new increased airport charges and service taxes
To put that into perspective
An international airline refueling in Delhi would pay $1025 / Kilo Litre of ATF whereas an Indian Airline refueling would have to pay $1337 / KL
Is most of the cases its the unemployed pilots to blame themselves for creating a situation that makes it difficult for everyone else involved. They dont realise that when they undercut someone today to take the job , someday down the line someone else is going to do the same to them .
The new Civil Aviation Minister has taken some sort of action to the above discrepancy regarding fuel taxes but its going to be some time before its sorted out .
The population of India is nearly the same as China . If we were anywhere near china's aviation industry size then a lot of pilots would very easily find jobs
A senior pilot I met the other day told me that only 15-20% of the fresh pilots in the market are employable . This is because many of them got into the industry because of the high pay . Not because they had a passion to become a pilot or was into aviation for that matter .
I have seen doctors , lawyers , engineers and MBA graduates shift careers for the pay alone .
There is a silver lining or a light is there at the end of the tunnel . The industry has been growing in double digits with respect to passengers .
Somebody has to replace the capacity that KF removed from the market . Its either going to be KF or the new regional airlines or the existing ones will expand .
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An international airline refueling in Delhi would pay $1025 / Kilo Litre of ATF whereas an Indian Airline refueling would have to pay $1337 / KL
It is painful to say that a lot of passengers who could be flown to/from India by Indian operators employing Indian pilots are instead flown by gulf carriers employing non-Indians. That is where a lot of Indian jobs have gone!
A senior pilot I met the other day told me that only 15-20% of the fresh pilots in the market are employable
I know people who are actually good. They could have done well as engineers, CAs, lawyers, etc. but are now sitting unemployed since long because they chose to become pilots. Those who are dumb and sitting unemployed have nothing to rue about but people who have put in sincere hard work are the ones who are the real sufferers.
If you have a brain, do not become a civilian pilot in these times.
I know this guy who just went to Indonesia. Spent $55k to get a CPL, then $30k for an A320 T/R. He still couldn't get a job for more than year. He then went for that Lion Air P2F scheme. Paid another $50-60k for that. So he spent 70-80 lakhs to work for a company which is blacklisted in parts of Europe. Why are people subsidizing air travel with their parent's money?
Somebody has to replace the capacity that KF removed from the market . Its either going to be KF or the new regional airlines or the existing ones will expand .
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Apart from the government, i blame senior pilots too. They are part of the airlines and their selection boards that indulge in the following practices:
1) Ask for candidates to be type rated just for the privilege to apply for jobs.
2) Almost always select the candidate with a "link"(which can be bought as well
) rather than one who is more competent. If a candidate's parents know someone influential then that is no achievement on the candidate's part.3) Almost always select the candidate whom they "like" rather than one who is more competent. This is a form of corruption of the system. You are not supposed to let your personal liking, or the lack of it, interfere in the selection procedure.
4) Selective invitations for selection procedures. You don't just need links to be selected for jobs. You need them firstly to be invited for the selection procedures. Think Spicejet. Does Spicejet even have one FO who was selected on some kind of merit? No pun intended! Just an honest question.
Unless all eligible candidates are invited for the selection procedure, it is unfair.
BTW can someone confirm if a certain HR manager in Spicejet is asking for money to get you an invitation for selections? Lets avoid names unless off course you have proof.
